As an aside, you do realise the GFA involved the release of murderers from prison? Quite a reasonable reason to be against it BTW.
And how’s that working out? Better than the old days perhaps? The acceptable level of violence seems to be a thing of the past.
Kelvin it's sorted to my satisfaction to be honest, I've no problem with the Irish sea border and that was what prompted my post earlier.
Sorry Kilo I don't understand? Is letting murderers walk free ok? I would have preferred an agreement withoit it to be honest.
I have arrived at the point where i dont give a * about any of Brexits misery (and there is much more to come)
I will deal with the impact on my life which is limited to free movement.
Thing is the people who voted for this shit show also dont give a * about NI Border, fishing, farming, Aupairs, loss of skilled people, repatriation of old folks from spain, a United Ireland, an independent Scotland.. its all someone elses problem. I can not explain how little they care. The eventual brain drain and lack of investment will have no impact on them- they will not see the light ever.
Sorry Kilo I don’t understand? Is letting murderers walk free ok? I would have preferred an agreement withoit it to be honest
Being brutally frank it is if it’s for the greatest good, yes it is ok. Criminals, on both sides, released on licence, after review and under strict conditions, to help move the peace process forwards, high price but one worth paying in the view of everyone party to the agreement.
I voted for Brexit to remove a level of government, that was my reason for voting, nothing else
the irony being that brexit has created a level of red tape & government involvement much greater than there was before
thats the problem with scapegoating the EU for Westminsters failings; it was always going to end up exposing the likes of the DUP & the Tories !
withoit
Best spelling mistake in ages if not intentional. 😀
Best spelling mistake in ages if not intentional. 😀
Haha yea, not intentional, but def phonetical
Sounded right to me!
I’ve no problem with the Irish sea border and that was what prompted my post earlier.
I’d imagine you wouldn’t be so sanguine about it if your business was about to go bust as a direct result of it, as many are on both sides of the Irish Sea
All for no good reason
however as Binners was the one to ridicule me I asked him for a solution, for that specific issue.
The only workable solution was the whole UK remaining in the single market and customs union and not sticking a new and wholly unnecessary border in the Irish Sea
Anything other than that and you’re entering a whole world of utterly pointless and self-imposed pain.
Any ‘solution’ you come up with will only ever make things ever-so-slightly less shit. It was always going to be a car crash
But some of us have been pointing out the bleeding obvious for the last 5 years. It’s only with the truly hard-of-thinking where the reality hasn’t yet sunk in. The rest of us clocked it years ago, which is why we voted against it
This is it. This is what you voted for. So suck it up, buttercup.
There is no ‘solution’ to Brexit. There never was and there never will be.
It’s an act of monumental stupidity voted for by flag-waving idiots. You voted to make yourself poorer and to make your life more difficult, so own it. It’s on you
How do I own it Binners?
What does that actually mean?
Does it mean "shut up and go away"?
Does it mean “shut up and go away”?
No it means; pull on your big-boy trousers, accept that you (if you voted leave) made a mistake and work to put it right. The Leave people need to put it right, we may help if asked but we're not going to clean up your shit.
How do I own it Binners?
Accept the fact that this is what you voted for. And if you didn’t know this was what you voted for then you should have done your homework
The rest of us knew full well what we were voting against
This.
So, you broke it, you own it
Though there seems an awful lot of reluctance for any of the architects of this shitshow to own up to what they’ve done.
And just to reiterate: these aren’t ‘teething problems’. This is it. Welcome to the new reality that you voted for
hmm, I might get the hang of this eventually...🤦🏻♀️
Or not...
The Leave people need to put it right, we may help if asked but we’re not going to clean up your shit.
I think this is completely the wrong way to look at it. Brexit has happened and we are now out. The last thing we want is a brexiteer's brexit. It would be much better for remainers to hijack it and make it what we want, well not what we want because we'd rather be in, but if we are out it's better to steer it in a particular direction.
The last thing we want is a brexiteer’s brexit. It would be much better for remainers to hijack it and make it what we want, well not what we want because we’d rather be in, but if we are out it’s better to steer it in a particular direction.
Problem is, we already have the brexiteers Brexit...
Step in too early and we get the ‘stabbed in the back’ lie that worked out so well back in the thirties...
It would be much better for remainers to hijack it
Good luck with that.
It was always going to be remainers who had to clean up the mess.
Problem is, we already have the brexiteers Brexit…
We do indeed. We’ve ended up with the hardest of hard brexits, short of the catastrophe of ‘No Deal’
And the predicted results are all now becoming real
So * ‘em! The *s who brought us this can change their own sheets on the bed they just shat
On another note, I wonder what will happen to Channel 4's, A New Life in the Sun and A Place in the Sun?
Yep, agreed Binners. I’ll look after mine, grumble about what’s worse and never fail to point out to my leave chums that they got what they wanted. Strangely they all seem to have gone very quiet or in my father in law’s case admit that what he hoped for isn’t going to happen.
I voted for Brexit to remove a level of government
And I voted remain because I wanted to keep a level of government. Why did I want another layer of government? Because most of the continent had the SAME layer. That means that we couldn't compete with each other undercutting workers rights, environmental standards etc etc just to help our own economies at the cost of other things. The same reason that football matches have referees. Countries need to cooperate as allies whilst preserving high standards - it helps everyone and it helps the environment.
Brexit is about throwing all that out, largely so that the rich can exploit us and the natural world more. There's no other reason to want it. If you think otherwise you're a dreamer.
As an aside, you do realise the GFA involved the release of murderers from prison? Quite a reasonable reason to be against it BTW.
Is it?
How many prisoners getting an early release would you say is a "price worth paying" for absolute peace between two factions that had been blowing each other up for three decades? None? Your 'murderers' here were convicted for crimes that the GFA finally put an end to.
I voted for Brexit to remove a level of government, that was my reason for voting, nothing else.
Well, you got the opposite. So, uh, well done?
Are you still happy with your decision? Working out well for you is it, this removal of bureaucracy?
I don’t want to discuss that either as it has been discussed to death.
Of course you don't. I can't possibly imagine why.
On another note, I wonder what will happen to Channel 4’s, A New Life in the Sun and A Place in the Sun
It’ll have a more upmarket crowd 🙂
No ones stopping people with money retiring, Brexit just makes those 3rd country rules apply to usyou.
Probably end up a TOWIE crossover.
I also think a lot of the IT crowd will ship over after the Covid dust settles.
Non-lucrative visas are a thing that works well with WFH and there is a double taxation agreement between Spain an the U.K.
May as well WFH in a place with 9 months of summer and beaches an 28p cans of san mig.
I voted for Brexit to remove a level of government
with respect then, you've been had. The merest hint of research would've revealed to you that that would never possibly been the outcome.
I don’t want to discuss that
Seems to be the default position for most Brexiteers these days.
On another note, I wonder what will happen to Channel 4’s, A New Life in the Sun and A Place in the Sun?
A New Life in Hull
A place in the sun with no right to permanently reside or reciprocal health care
Yes I don't want to discuss it as I've already done it on this very thread, received the exact same answers and admitted I was wrong.
Is it?
How many prisoners getting an early release would you say is a “price worth paying” for absolute peace between two factions that had been blowing each other up for three decades? None? Your ‘murderers’ here were convicted for crimes that the GFA finally put an end to.
This came about from me explaining the position of the DUP, context lost as usual on this thread.
Are you saying the GFA has put an end to paramilitary violence and sectarian murder? You are wrong on that account.
Entirely likely. Because everyone trying to move goods will have gone bust by then.
Well it solves the politicians problem of bad PR so it’s a big win in their eyes, get it off the news cycle and the problems gone away.
I’m sure they’ll blame the companies for not getting the right colour pens in or not embracing the Brexit opportunity etc.
This came about from me explaining the position of the DUP, context lost as usual on this thread.
You are aware that almost all murderers are eventually released from prison? Some well before the life sentence imposed.
Justice is not vengeance and must be impartial to all citizens/subjects
Thanks for contributing dougiedog, we should stop ourselves from allowing our exasperation from being aimed at you personally. Sorry.
It's ok Kelvin, I'm only trying to play devils advocate but its hard to keep context on the thread because everyone jumps on the same point at the same time.
I've asked for my account to be deleted anyway, (not sure how that works) as I find replying to this thread is affecting my work and my life in general.
I'm a contrary person who likes to examine things from the sometimes unpopular side, it gets me in bother. However I am generally a pretty light hearted person, who's willing to be proved wrong (maybe that doesn't come across so well in written form).
Thanks for enlightening me everyone.
Dougie
Fair play to you Dougie
Sorry to hear it's affecting you. I think it feels for a lot of us like we're howling into the void at the moment
I’ve asked for my account to be deleted anyway
Sorry to hear that, slán.
You've tried to engage Dougie and that's better than many pro Brexit people who have gone very silent now, I don't think anyone would say it was a success but the loudest voices seem to be shirking away from taking any responsibility now.
I voted for Brexit to remove a level of government, that was my reason for voting, nothing else. I don’t want to discuss that either as it has been discussed to death.
FFS is that it?
Good at last though to see a another Leaver admit they didn't have a ****ing clue.
How about next time you're thinking of doing something you could just aim for something less harmful to the rest of us, maybe settle on getting rid of your parish council instead - as that'll get rid of a "layer of government"!
A new life in the sun will be replaced by "a new life at the Amazon warehouse" This will mainly involve people getting worked into an early grave, while the viewers, older retired people who voted for this say "it was much harder for us back in the day"
It was partly tougue in cheek as lots of my builder and Brexiter mates had not factored this into their retirement plans and are now complaining.
Still a plan of mine of course.
On another note, I wonder what will happen to Channel 4’s, A New Life in the Sun and A Place in the Sun?
It'll still be on but there will be 5 minutes of looking at property of 45 minutes of form filling, visas, customs checks, etc.
Surely 'A place in the sun filled uplands we were promised but actually buying a second hand tent and living on a now derelict industrial estate while fighting rats for the last banana in the country'
I’m a contrary person who likes to examine things from the sometimes unpopular side, it gets me in bother
I can be a bit like that. The problems begin when confusing the word ‘examine’ for the word ‘experiment’ or (worse still) ‘explode’, ie ‘what if I skip the ‘examine’ part and just press this button instead?’ Can’t be any worse than ‘not examining’, can it? Maybe someone else can ‘examine’, and I’ll just press stuff...
(For most of us) that 2016 contrarian/up-yours click-fest predictably translated as the remainder of our (and quite possibly our children’s) lives to now be spent chewing on the dried ‘jerky’ of those who voted ‘eat my shit’
At least we’re all* now holding noses and tying planks to our feet together? Could that be an upside? The great leveller? Further examination of history seems to show that this only heralds more upheaval and more violent ‘levelling’ to come. It normally has to get very bad indeed before we begin forming pacific unions. Almost as if there are historical precedents? 😬
*Excepting those who have some kind of failsafe financial safeguard and/or a ‘cheeky’ taste for distressed assets. If the latter, then enjoy the new old world of ambulance-chasing. Buy low, sell high, sit on it/let it, live high in a hot climate elsewhere. Time-tested. Live your life at an altitude beyond the stench of the wretched. Also, watch your new ‘friends’ like the hawks that they are.
I’ve asked for my account to be deleted anyway
I wouldn't be doing that, just lay off the threads that upset you for a bit. Can sometimes have positives as well.
Are you saying the GFA has put an end to paramilitary violence and sectarian murder? You are wrong on that account.
That's right, only last week I was watching the rioting in Belfast on TV and reading about the IRA bombing Manchester. If last week was the mid-1990s.
I’ve asked for my account to be deleted anyway, (not sure how that works)
There's an option in your account settings. It'd be a shame if you did though. It's good to hear different voices.
I’m a contrary person who likes to examine things from the sometimes unpopular side, it gets me in bother.
You're not 'in bother'. But if you're going to be contrary it shouldn't really come as a surprise that you get contrary right back.