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Theres plenty more to come yet and everyone knows it
A no confidence vote will force the tories to vote to support Johnson. It's an easy win for labour who can then say they defended the indefensible. It may suit labour in the short term to have Johnson remain and dig himself a deeper hole, but they risk the tories being able to wipe the slate clean before the next election.
Starmer will also open himself up to further criticism of being an ineffective opposition leader. The story will quickly change to 'Starmer is so weak he couldn't get rid of a dead man walking', and 'he's so scared of Sunak he'd rather keep Johnson in place'.
"abject"?
You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means
I can't believe there are still some people (albeit a small number) who don't regard this as a big deal.
Yesterday there was a caller on LBC who spoke about the death of her 14 year daughter. Her siblings couldn't visit her in hospital before her death and only one parent could be with her whilst she died. These were the rules at the time.
Meanwhile, the rule makers were having a BYOB party in the sunshine.
If you can't see why that is a big deal then you really need to take a pause and think about yourself.
Yesterday there was a caller on LBC who spoke about the death of her 14 year daughter. Her siblings couldn’t visit her in hospital before her death and only one parent could be with her whilst she died. These were the rules at the time.
I heard a later call, from a woman who's Mum had died, alone, while she "waited by the phone".
She then said to Eddie Mair (paraphrase):
"I ask myself now, should I have just broken the law, and gone to be with her as she died?".
She now believes she was a fool to follow the law, because she knows that in the same circumstances that the likes of Johnson, Barnard Castle Cummings and others wouldn't have.
Reminder: This person is paid (by you!) to be the leader of this country. Leaders lead by example. It is their literal job to be squeaky clean.
You should be angry!
I'm fuming! If he's anywhere within a mile of me it'll take a herculean effort to stop me from kicking the bastard in the bollocks repeatedly until either I run out of energy or my foot falls off.
later on when I get home, I'm going to sit down and watch the news with stiff work place event
Ross knows Johnson is vote loser in Scotland. He has to distance himself from Johnson for political reasons. Mind you he does have previous and i think despite being a tory and a bit dim he does actually have some principles.
What gets me is the constant lies. "Plausible" lies over Barnard Castle, lies over the prorogation of parliament during Brexit vote, lies over the recent lobbying scandal, over the contracts given to close friends and families...lies lies lies. And it's not just Boris it's all of them.
lies lies lies. And it’s not just Boris it’s all of them.
Which is why he has held on for so long. He absorbs the voting public's ire and protects the others.
What gets me is the constant lies. “Plausible” lies over Barnard Castle, lies over the prorogation of parliament during Brexit vote, lies over the recent lobbying scandal, over the contracts given to close friends and families…lies lies lies. And it’s not just Boris it’s all of them.
This for me too - it's not just Boris and a party work event in the garden. It's constant. None of them even bother to hide away from what they're doing and the public generally accepts it.
“I ask myself now, should I have just broken the law, and gone to be with her as she died?”
Assuming she was in hospital, someone would have stepped in and stopped her, possibly arrested her.
Unlike on the door of Downing Street.
What is the Speaker of the House doing about this? The antiquated system revolves around MPs being ‘good chaps’ who are upright and honest. He gave some leeway today due to the way things were phrased but has named various MPs for accusing Boris of lying.
Now Boris has been unequivocally lying through his teeth to Parliament the Speaker seems powerless to do anything about it.
dazh
Full MemberA no confidence vote will force the tories to vote to support Johnson. It’s an easy win for labour who can then say they defended the indefensible. It may suit labour in the short term to have Johnson remain and dig himself a deeper hole, but they risk the tories being able to wipe the slate clean before the next election.
I agree with people who say that the timing's important but here it does seem a no-brainer. The tories are all obviously preparing themselves to ditch him on their timescale so a no-confidence vote right now either leads to them supporting him and tying the ship to the sinking rat, or it forces the timescale and lets Labour say "we brought him down".
Well, a Brexit campaigning MP (Wragg) has now called for Johnson to resign. A key moment.
I'm really torn, the Conservatives have nothing better to offer and he is destroying them, however I so want to see Boris totally humiliated, it's about the only thing that will actually impact him, i really want him to do the Cummings walk of shame, cardboard box in hand although unfortunately he'll leave in a chauffeur driven car.
Edit I see Andrew is now the top story on the BBC site, talk about the wrong priorities.
Half the Conservative MSPs now calling for him to go.
As a single moment is holding a party for hard working staff REALLY that bad? Plenty of others bent the rules.
Sorry I can’t see who first said this, but yes, it REALLY is that bad.
It was me but I feel the need to clarify / defend, particularly as you have only read / pasted what was already a partial cut of what I said.
I don't think it's excusable, at all, but was addressing those that maybe do when compared to other problems of the world (jambourgie?) The point I was making, three pages back is that it's not 'just one event' it's absolutely symptomatic of the culture and integrity of the man and his colleagues, along with five other examples of where they just don't care what effect it has. Wallpaper, PPE contracts for mates, lying left right and centre......
and this is the Gov that is supposed to be leading us through these problems.
They're going to have a job to find someone to do the press calls tomorrow. 😁 Maybe it'll be Michael Fabricant's time to shine!
Just read the whole statement. It’s not an apology at all, it’s a “sorry you think you caught us doing something naughty”
I think it was phrased the way it was due to Parliamentary Privilege. He can say that in the House but not incriminate himself if it comes to a court of law further down the line. It was very carefully worded certainly. Probably the same lawyers who wrote Barnard Cummings statement...
For me this does him, he'll go before May, people half expect dodgy PPE contracts but boozy parties while people are waiting on the end of a phone to know if a loved one has passed, that's **** horrific, I'm not on FB but I really hope the heart twangy memes are doing the rounds, that's what turns the general public for me.
Although just coming off LinkedIn I had to chuck my phone before I responded to someone saying 'yeah but he's doing his best' 'hes had to deal with Brexit' he lobbied for Brexit you clown...all he had to do here was lead by example the **"* utter ****
This has pissed me off more than the utter 'show that is Brexit
They’re going to have a job to find someone to do the press calls tomorrow.
Ken Clark tweeted that he had been asked if he was willing to take the flak as they had run out of victims government spokesmen. 🙂
Edit I see Andrew is now the top story on the BBC site, talk about the wrong priorities.
All part of the grand plan to remove the entitled upper class twits in this country who think the world owes them.
Is he going to resign? Unlikely I would think.
So if, and it's a big if, the '22 reach the magic 54, then I still think he can win a VOC and he then gets a year of no challenges.
If I was Johnson i'd be doing my best to get any remaining support I have on the back benches to get their letters in pronto and trigger a vote that is winnable at the moment. But i'm absolutely certain that sort of skullduggery doesn't go on, obviously.
Waiting any longer will just mean more revelations, and less less chance of winning a VOC
Which country was it where a minister resigned cos he'd driven to the woods to go MTBing on his own when the rules said you had to ride from home? No back talk he just apologised and went. Compare that to this lot.
In Scotland we had the chief medical officer resign for visiting a holiday home ( needed a good push tho) we have an MP facing criminal prosecution for traveling on a train after a positive test - she clearly panicked and did a stupid thing
Sue Grey is going to say it was obviously a party but she has no evidence to say Johnson didn't know it wasnt a work event
Geidt will agree
Case closed, until the next scandal, maybe
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1481327421043396610?t=MjOWXsW60QCXdEIr7Z-4FQ&s=19
The Tories are all about being in power. If they weren’t 4 months away I would have said the party would see how the local elections go to for them to see how much of an asset (and let’s face it, he wins elections) or liability he is with the electorate. But four months is more than enough time for more revelations to finish him.
Which country was it where a minister resigned cos he’d driven to the woods to go MTBing on his own when the rules said you had to ride from home?
NZ?
Tougher sentences for geography teachers!
What a ****.
Edit - in response to the hastily put out party political broadcast just now.
We turned over as soon as the broadcast kicked in.
Oh, Ken Clarke is not on Twitter.
What will the next scandal be?
https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1481341614371086336?t=_Zmn0A19xSozlZXZs0yclw&s=19
Ken Clarke twitter a/c is a parody; always has been.
their hypocrisy know no bounds
that aged well
Meanwhile my ex-kipper Tory MP Mark Jenkinson has been tweeting his statement of support for Johnson and appearing on GB News with his old marra Farage.
Apparently the majority of his constituents think we should be looking forward and it's all a 'remoaner' (sic) plot.
Although just coming off LinkedIn I had to chuck my phone before I responded to someone saying ‘yeah but he’s doing his best’
Well its not a momentary lapse is it - this is his 'best'. The only thing he's good at is being given the opportunity do things badly again.
Tougher sentences for geography teachers!
Delivering lessons about economic activity in the primary, secondary, tertiary and quaternary sectors, and the use of natural resources, as tongue twisters?
So the clamour is for him to go, but the party really need him to hang on till after the May elections?
the party are in a bind, not getting shot implicates them all in the "one rule for them" fiasco getting shot now lumbers the new boy/girl with 3ish years on brexit baggage.
They could change leader twice before we get to an election. This is the Conservative Party, not the Labour Party.
I had an apology from a company a few years back just like B's today.
Basically, "we are sorry you are not happy with our conduct".
A non apology.
Anyway. I want him to stay in for some time yet, then Truss to follow him.
Interesting that it took sunak until this evening to comment; his tweet was anything but a supportive endorsement.
Has truss commented yet?
Jeremy Hunt?
The moggster? He's on newsnight in a few moments.
Oh dear boris, what a mess.
I got a present.
that poll is going to raise a few eyebrows the blood pressure at CCHQ
Rees Mogg absolutely dismissing Douglass Ross as a 'lightweight' on Newsnight just now was hilarious
https://twitter.com/AdamJSchwarz/status/1481400895124484109
Mogg bombed spectacularly on Newsnight. Came across as not that bright at all.
Spoiler alert: He isn't.
Nadhim Zahawi just lost the ability to talk on Peston. He was being asked to defend BJ, I'm guessing that might have been a little difficult to enunciate.
More shockingly, there was no union flag behind him on the video call.
That's deplorable.
Came across as not that bright at all.
File under “No shit, Sherlock!”
Kimbers - we had a good chuckle at that one as well. The only sentence of value to escape his lips tonight.
Do the public think there was a party?
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1481283086969376773?s=20
Do the public think that the police should investigate?
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1481285352715390977?s=20
This “I’ve asked one of my staff to write a report” wheeze isn’t fooling the public.
Predictably, the moggster turned in a crap performance on newsnight; pathetic attempt to demean Douglas Ross by referring to him as a 'lightweight' -that should help to further destroy tory support in Scotland.
Will use catch-up later to see zahawi on Peston; he, zahawi,is usually full of bluster um ah so I expect more of the same on steroids.
Love that labour press office tweet ^^^
Johnson sinking but not drowned - yet; royal nonce now well out of his depth.
Just need one more for this week's
hat-trick.
As much as I'd like to see de Pfeffel unceremoniously defenestrated, in the absence of a GE, 150,000 of the very worst sort of people will pick their next leader from the list below:
Sunak = horrible. Truss = thick. Patel = horrible and thick.
I'm routing for Truss.👍
I look forward to the election of our dim-witted, flag-waving, third rare Thatcher tribute act
The Tory’s Jeremy Corbyn*
* obviously Jeremy Corbyn was the Tory’s Jeremy Corbyn as he was working for them to ensure two election victories, but Liz Truss could be Labours sleeper cell
I don't think I have ever seen a government tear itself to pieces quite so dramatically. Even the Blair / Brown briefing wars were nothing like this bad and although the major government tore itself apart I don't remember anything like this level of infighting
Its glorious to watch
Once a government starts to collapse then there is no way back - keeping on fighting to survive which I am sure Johnson will do just increases the damage
The equivalent of Corbyn would be if the stalking horse won, surely?
The Tory’s Jeremy Corbyn*
* obviously Jeremy Corbyn was the Tory’s Jeremy Corbyn as he was working for them to ensure two election victories, but Liz Truss could be Labours sleeper cell
And yet in the latest opinion poll, as posted above by Kimbers, Labour are currently on 2 points lower than Labour managed in one of the elections that you mention.
In the 2017 GE with Corbyn as leader Labour received 40% of the vote, yesterday's YouGov poll put them on 38%.
The huge 10% lead Labour now has is entirely due to the Tories spectacular own goals and nothing at all to do with any significant increase in Labour support.
It is a measure of the total ineptitude of the current Leader that Labour has to entirely rely on the Tories shooting themselves in the foot to make any sort of headway.
Btw binners your unending obsession with Corbyn seems to be getting more bizarre that you feel the need to include a post about him on this thread at this time...... never want to miss an opportunity to have a dig at him eh?
Still, thank you for giving me opportunity to highlight how the current Labour is so utterly useless that Labour has to rely on the Tories own goals 🙂
for me one of the sad things is that labour seem to have just given up on Scotland completely now. the labour / tory non agression pact badly backfired on them but London labour seem to have just given up
the SNP would of course support a labour government in Westminster ( but never coalition - confidence and supply only) and will never support a tory government so that does not change the odds on a labour government but it seems daft to just give up on Scotland completely where not that long ago they would have 40+ seats
I say this because they will not allow Scottish labour to produce a scots manifesto that suits scotland and the front bench keep on making stupid comments about scotland that show their ignorance of the political situation north of the border - Like that one I quoted from Raynor
Why did you have to go and do that Binners?!? [ a Corbyn thread … another one ?!? 🥱 ]
Its glorious to watch
There's certainly an element of schadenfreude in it all, what gets me though is that the country is in the middle of a pandemic, inflation is at a dramatic high, Brexit is ruining everything... and our so-called leaders are busy infighting, lying, manipulating and garnering support for their own leadership bids.
You were elected to lead the country and deliver on your manifesto. Not behave like a sack of rats. It's a shame there's no way for the public to sack an MP.
While they are infighting at lest they cannot devote as much time to making stupid laws or pissing off our neighbours? so while the damage from what they have done is not being ameliorated ( not that they would) at least they are doing less future damage because all their energies are taken up with infighting
this lot are so incompetent that doing nothing is better than anything they would do
inflation is at a dramatic high,
You'd best sit down, shitty as it is, this is nothing yet.
the SNP would of course support a labour government in Westminster
Only on one condition, and Labour would never agree to it.
Tell you all what, there’s some epic bum-licking going on: Dorries
This cabinet of no talent know that if Johnson goes they won't be getting near to power for a while (excepting maybe Truss & Sunak)
Nope nickc - wrong. they have made that absolutely clear. that would be the price for a formal deal yes but they will NOT vote down a labour government but would vote down a tory one
Go and check Sturgeons speeches
You’d best sit down, shitty as it is, this is nothing yet.
Yup. 20+% in the mid-seventies according to this graph: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/inflation-rate-cpi
Buckle up.
Nope nickc – wrong. they have made that absolutely clear.
Well, if Sturgeon's made it "absolutely clear", that a new definition of the word that I've never previously encountered.
Douglas Ross had a 15 minute call with Johnson yesterday where he is reported to have said to Ross that he thinks that he has done nothing wrong.
Laura K and the Times correspondent both reporting that he said the same to Tory MP’s in the commons tea rooms immediately after the non-apology apology, with the added nugget that, to paraphrase, he was taking one for the team. He seems to believe he is the victim.
Johnson polling as badly as corbyn did at last GE
https://twitter.com/KellyIpsosMORI/status/1481243903164624896?t=Utr4jyY6byiXTP_YyWtN2Q&s=19
And the poll I posted earlier was from before Johnsons 'I didn't realise I was at a parrty' PMQs
Well, if Sturgeon’s made it “absolutely clear”, that a new definition of the word that I’ve never previously encountered.
Well she has and its SNP policy - so once again your knowledge is lacking. Stop believing the right wing unionist press