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I was chatting to my daughter today who's in year 6. They watch Newsround in school, and apparently whenever Boris Johnson is on he gets booed. By 10 year olds 🙂
The thing is, how did Kuenssberg not know at the time? "My sources at Downing Street" and all that...
Wait for the video. And then the next event and video, and the next... He's done. Drip...drip... drip... A visitation from the 1922 executive is in order.
Can't see him lasting now.
Yep, can't wait for the video. Apparently someone stuck a go-pro on Larry the Cat.
Larry the Cat need his own show on the BBC, he'd do a better and more insightful job than Laura and that damp squib on News****. Sorry, Newscast or whatever its called.
A visitation from the 1922 executive is in order.
The only issue which concerns the Tory Backbenches is whether Johnson is an asset to them or not. I doubt that there is anything in the recent revelations that has taught them anything about Johnson's personality which they didn't previously know.
The last 3 national opinion polls only gives Labour a 4 percent lead over the Tories which isn't too shabby at all for the government at this stage of the electoral cycle.
The last poll was conducted on Monday so I expect the margin to widened in the coming days for at least a while, depending how much more can be drip fed to the media.
But it's the local elections in May might decide his fate, if things go quiet for a while. Although they are still far enough away for him to recover if nothing more materialises and he has some luck.
I'm starting to think they might want him gone before May to try and avoid such a massive landslide defeat in the local elections.
PMQ's should be entertaining later.
The back benches may want him gone but Johnson will have to be defenestrated. He will not walk away . Same as Trump - he is simply incapable of realising he is in the wrong. What he says IS the truth and what he wants is what will happen.
Have they the guts to "no confidence" him? I don't think so yet. Perhaps after a disaster in May.
Same as Trump – he is simply incapable of realising he is in the wrong. What he says IS the truth and what he wants is what will happen.
100%! Only addition i would make is this also extends the majority of his party too. Boris wont go over this and he will fight another election which i would be extremely surprised if he didn't win. My faith in the public not voting tory is very low.
The only sliver of hope is that the press seem to be all turning against him now. Today's PMQ's are going to be pivotal, not in what happens but in how it is reported.
He's making a statement b4 PMQs
A semi- apology? Or just a desperate attempt at deflection, a load of waffle, wait for investigation
Well if they get the Priti Bill over the line , it’s not like you’ll be able to demonstrate against them or or anything.
I think it lies in the hands of the media if they don’t stop reporting on it Non-stop, on ‘one rule for them one rule for us’, I’m not so sure he can brazenly ride it out as that is pretty much confirming it.
I think Johnson will be gone before the election. I just feel there is a lot more blood to be spilt first especially given the way the best candidate ( Sunak) is too brown for the membership and the other front runner Truss is clearly useless so there will be some resistance to getting rid of Johnson as there is no saviour in sight.
Under tory party rules the MPs get to whittle down the candidates to two thenthe membership votes to chose from those two
so many folk with naked ambition that I very much doubt there would be a "coronation" with only one candidate so it will go to the membership who will vote for the furthest right whitest person. so Truss it is and IMO the tory MPs know in their hearts she would be useless even tho she has the best appeal to the membership
Same as Trump – he is simply incapable of realising he is in the wrong
Nah, I think Johnson knows full well when he's "done wrong" he just doesn't feel he should be blamed for doing so, or held to account for it. I think he thinks that a wholesome enough apology (whether heartfelt or not) should suffice, and if you then still feel hurt by what he's done, then that's your problem not his.
Truss is clearly useless so there will be some resistance to getting rid of Johnson as there is no saviour in sight.
But did she stay away from parties during lockdown is the biggy 🙂
If the media onslaught continues anyone other than BJ will a win, As much as the public love a Tory I don’t think another Barnard castle eye test card can be played.
Nah, I think Johnson knows full well when he’s “done wrong” he just doesn’t feel he should be blamed for doing so, or held to account for it. I think he thinks that a wholesome enough apology
He was doing his best,imagine how bad it would have been under Corbyn.
Nah, I think Johnson knows full well when he’s “done wrong” he just doesn’t feel he should be blamed for doing so, or held to account for it. I think he thinks that a wholesome enough apology (whether heartfelt or not) should suffice, and if you then still feel hurt by what he’s done, then that’s your problem not his.
Yep the one thing about Johnson is he’s not slow in reading the people, he doesn’t care about them but he knows how to play them.
Apparently bojo was lying down in the back of his car this morning to avoid being papped 😂😂😂
What a ****ing embarrassment. Do you think all the other world's PMs take the piss out of him at UN conferences etc? 😅
I Imagine they just ignore him.
The only sliver of hope is that the press seem to be all turning against him now.
Not all the press...
https://twitter.com/snb19692/status/1481034439492882433?t=BQWBiDeGAJHIrFwZSJeiIg&s=19
Daily Express have an interesting headline..... 🤔
A semi- apology? Or just a desperate attempt at deflection, a load of waffle, wait for investigation
It’ll be the now standard non-apology dressed up as an apology
“I’m sorry if the impression was given that blah, blah, blah…”
It will be delivered in a surly, begrudging manner (as he’ll have been told he has to do it) and certainly won’t involve any actual contrition. As an enormously entitled sociopath, he is aware that contrition exists, as a concept, but it’s certainly not something he’s ever experienced personally
The last poll was conducted on Monday so I expect the margin to widened in the coming days for at least a while, depending how much more can be drip fed to the media.
And 40% of polled conservatives thought he should resign. That’s starting to look like a liability. A lot of conservatives were unable to attend funerals in 2020.
I think the sad fact is that people realise BoJo is an apalling leader, but the majority that do will continue to vote conservative. Always have, always will 🙁
It’ll be the now standard non-apology dressed up as an apology
“I’m sorry if the impression was given that blah, blah, blah…”
An mp, when asked if pm should resign when found guilty on R4 was going on about needing to judge the p.m in “the round” rather than just on these multiple breaches so expect lots of bluster about one mistake whilst getting covid done.
I doubt that this whole palaver was intended as a dead cat, but while there's a dead cat (or two) on the table it's a great time to be getting on with other things that you didn't want spotted.
So - what's being quietly progressed while we're all distracted with parties etc ?
Yep the one thing about Johnson is he’s not slow in reading the people, he doesn’t care about them but he knows how to play them.
I think this.
The statement before PMQ I bet will be waffle, wait for the investigation, I cannot answer questions in PMQ on it, waffle.
Yep the one thing about Johnson is he’s not slow in reading the people, he doesn’t care about them but he knows how to play them.
No he doesn't, If he knew how to manipulate people, the parties wouldn't have happened, or there certainly wouldn't be a trail (so easily followed) that led back to him. ALL Johnson wants is for people to like him, that way they feel conflicted when he lets them down, and that's their problem, not his. Being liked, for Johnson, is a suit of armour, it's lets him do the things he wants. That's the somethingion of his character for me.
All the frantic apologies and waffle is just him trying to disarm you back into liking him again.
going on about needing to judge the p.m in “the round”
A brave stance. So we should be taking the corruption into account as well?
ALL Johnson wants is for people to like him, that way they feel conflicted when he lets them down. Being liked, for Johnson, is like a suit of armour, it’s lets him do the things he wants.
They are two opposite things though. Being liked does (to a certain extent) allow you to do what you want but then when you end up doing stuff that everyone finds objectionable, you end up not being liked.
It's why there's such a massive power grab going on behind the scenes - outlawing protests (so that even when people don't like you, they can't protest about you!) as well as gerrymandering and FPTP to make it more likely that Conservative candidates will win.
Bottom line is that he's in power with a large majority, he can (more or less) still get away with doing whatever he wants as he simply doesn't believe in being held accountable for anything.
So no senior conservatives or most con MPs bothered to turn up for parliament today. Go democracy.
The only issue which concerns the Tory Backbenches is whether Johnson is an asset to them or not.
The last 3 national opinion polls only gives Labour a 4 percent lead over the Tories which isn’t too shabby at all for the government at this stage of the electoral cycle.
Surely asset-ness is relative not absolute. They may be doing OK, but if they would be doing better with another leader, for both the local and general elections, then surely they should change? Why wait for the local elections to prove he is a liability? Is local government control not a little bit important?
Saving up the new leader bounce for when it really matters?
Tory MPs are in a bind, there are no strong alternatives to Johnson, but if they leave it too long they'll have trouble detoxifying the party (see corbyn & Labour)
I refer the honourable gentleman to the statement I just made.
Is local government control not a little bit important?
Not really. You could turn the loss into a benefit by screwing over the local authorities and then saying look how bad they are doing.
Traditionally it was useful for training up prospective MPs but now that seems mostly done as central party officials instead.
In addition I am not sure anyone would want to take over so close to the elections. Its quite possible they would go bad anyway and then the new leader takes the blame. Add in the cost of living skyrocketing and its better to keep him in place to take the blame for all of it.
I don't want him to quit.
The longer he stays in PM seat, the more damage he does to the Tory vote and the less chance there is of them winning the next election.
Hang on in there Boris.
The problem the tories have is they have become addicted to winning elections & referendums. Bozza has emerged as their match winner, their star striker and they don't have another match winner waiting in the wings. This means they will do everything they can to keep hold of him and hope this all blows over. The tories simply don't care about anything as much as they care about winning. Sleaze, parties, bullying, lying, manifesto promises broken, chumocracy & greed will all be excused as long as they keep winning elections.
Anyone else think he'll announce a cut to VAT on fuel just b4 PMQs?
I have said it before,but I don't think Labour/Starmer really want the gig just now.
They may be happy just to let the Tories take everything to ground zero,then have the public beg them to fix a trashed Britain.
The line for the next decade or two would be "Please bear with us,we are trying our very best,but the previous caretakers have left things in such a state."
I have said it before,but I don’t think Labour/Starmer really want the gig just now.
They may be happy just to let the Tories take everything to ground zero,then have the public beg them to fix a trashed Britain.
That's fine, they don't even have a chance to get the gig for another 2.5 years, (or is it even more than that?) When BoZo goes, we just get a different flavour of scum, (thanks Angela, and I'm not going to retract that after a couple of days) not a general election.
“Please bear with us,we are trying our very best,but the previous caretakers have left things in such a state.”
The Torries are still using that one.
Expect more dead cats than an animal cemetery.
The longer he stays in PM seat, the more damage he does to the Tory vote and the less chance there is of them winning the next election.
Not as much damage as Liz Truss will cause. She's the final nail in the coffin of an arrogant, entitled, and clueless party. Bring it on.
He should resign if he did what's been suggested. Keeping him on for election purposes suggests power is more important than morality.
They watch Newsround in school, and apparently whenever Boris Johnson is on he gets booed. By 10 year olds
Outstanding, but this is South Wales where they consider the only good Tory is a dead one.
The problem the Labour Party faces is the same problem that faces all centrist and leftist partys across the western world...
Too many old people. Demographic shifts due to ageing populations due to inreasing lifespans and falling birth rates mean that the majority of the active electorate vote for the past.
Back in the day (any day), the median age of the electorate was much younger, so the majority of voters voted based on what the future had to offer. Being of working age and usually with children, matters around the economy, employment and education mattered to them greatly, to an older population? not so much. Perhaps the health service being the only common ground.
It means the Tories haven't had to work as hard for the past few years, they don't have to have a vision or a plan for the future when there's an ever increasing number of voters who don't care too much about the future as they haven't got much of a future left. They vote to preserve, (who can blame them)
We end up with a situation where those no longer working, and with all the assets, tell the working population what to do so that they can preserve the assets of those no longer working.
I don't know what the answer is?
The trouble is that the Met is led by someone who’s also as brazen as Boris and similarly doesn’t see herself as accountable to anyone
The Good Law Project are sorting that one. Time to bung them some more funds.
Revolution.
Yeah it feels like another ‘tenner to the Good Law Project’ kind of day what with The Met, Baroness Undies and her highly profitable PPE business etc.
The closing paragraph of this article on the politicisation of The Met is enlightening…
So – what’s being quietly progressed while we’re all distracted with parties etc ?
Police and Crime Bill, Borders and Immigration Bill.....
I don’t know what the answer is?
I do. Don't let anyone vote who is over 50 as the vote tends to be more based on greed and bitterness than anything else and never about changes to make a better/fairer society.
Moan to your mp and donate to these people
https://goodlawproject.fundraise.tech/
I do. Don’t let anyone vote who is over 50 as the vote tends to be more based on greed and bitterness than anything else and never about changes to make a better/fairer society.
If only the Brexit vote had been run that way!
On which subject, the lockdown parties are simply Brexit in a very local nutshell. In it for themselves, not giving a shit about the wider issues, lying, manipulating, doing what they want with no thought for the damage...
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1481205520270868481
Excited to be as far away from the shit-show as I can! - says man hoping to be next PM...
Donated
'Don’t let anyone vote who is over 50' ...kinell there's plenty of rightwing whippersnappers and smearers under 50, even on here.
The line for the next decade or two would be “Please bear with us,we are trying our very best,but the previous caretakers have left things in such a state.”
To be fair, that's been a common refrain from governments of all colours for at least the past 25 years, and probably much longer than that.
Pity it's Starmer and not Rayner at PMQs today.
Keeping him on for election purposes suggests power is more important than morality.
I think you'll find that's precisely what the current Tory lot do think.
The line for the next decade or two would be “Please bear with us,we are trying our very best,but the previous caretakers have left things in such a state.”
That is why BloJo's flat needed renovating, apparently.
We end up with a situation where those no longer working, and with all the assets, tell the working population what to do so that they can preserve the assets of those no longer working.
I don’t know what the answer is?
It'll be interesting to see who's missing from the front bench today, having remembered they had an urgent appointment somewhere else. And how empty the seats behing him are. Rishi and Liz being the obvious ones to maybe have a dentists appointment today
Apparently Jeremy Hunt is presently drumming up support for another crack at the leadership. Its coming to something when he now appears to be the least worst option, by some distance
The good news for him keeps coming.
ppe court case loss
Although will depend on exactly what the court has to say about it.
I do. Don’t let anyone vote who is over 50
Jesus.
So there we go - the non-apology dressed up to sound like an apology, but isn’t
Didn't address the latest allegations at all!
Look at him FFS!! A face like a smacked arse! He actually thinks he’s the victim here, doesn’t he?
What an utterly shameless **** that man is!
But effectively admits misleading the Commons, which should prompt his resignation under his own ministerial code. But of course he won't.
So he admits being at the party for 25 minutes, that's it then, only 25 minutes is not defence, the only possible reason for him being there for any length of time was to disband it. Admitting he attended proves he broke his owns rules and the law and condoned others doing the same.
So there we go – the non-apology dressed up to sound like an apology, but isn’t
I'm sorry if you feel that rules were broken.
I tripped and fell into the garden and sat there for 25 minutes, dazed and confused. Staff rallied round to get me some refreshing drinks and small morsels of food to allow me to regain my strength.
This happened on several occasions that month.
😉
The PM says when he went into the Downing Street garden, at the time he “believed this was a work event.”
A “bring your own booze” work event? Well I suppose he did used to be a sort-of journalist, maybe they still have different standards to pretty much everyone that isn’t still living in the ’90s or ealier.
Starmer, Raynor and Blackford have had him on the ropes plenty of times, to the point where he’s erupted in fury, but even he can’t risk that today. Look at the hatred in his eyes for Starmer after the last question.
Not a lot of vocal support from his backbenches.
Surely asset-ness is relative not absolute. They may be doing OK, but if they would be doing better with another leader, for both the local and general elections, then surely they should change? Why wait for the local elections to prove he is a liability? Is local government control not a little bit important?
PM is appointed by MPs not local councillors. Once you've risen to the ranks of tory MP you have no desire to go back to the petty insignificance of local councils. Plus once you've hamstrung the councils with no funding and ever harder obligations you don't really want your rosette on it when they are about to implode. Nice to let the otherside have a shot, just when its all going to shit. And finally, "what really matters is implementing the democratic will of the people and getting brexit done" 😉 and if that means sacrificing a few council seats then its in the interest of democracy.
Is this the first time that Starmer's called for his resignation?
even the scum are pouring the scorn on "Tries to claim it was a WORK EVENT"
The Speaker has shifted into "the PM can say anything he likes" mode, hasn't he.
Outsiders must watch PMQs with some amusement:
PM excoriated and told he has debased the office and asked to resign, next bloke stands up and starts describing a proposed law affecting washing machine manufacturers. 🙂
This is the funniest PMQs in history. Everyone demanding his resignation and tory MPs asking questions about washing machine filters.