The delicious part is that Sunak will now be asked if he endorses the findings of the committee. If he does so, that lights the blue-touch paper. Disagreeing with it puts him in an awful position as a serving Prime Minister.
Hence this kind of shilly-shallying - but he can't put it off forever.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1669247160620122113
Oh, and I almost forgot that there will now be a vote in the House so we can all see who's still backing him after this.
Starmer knew was was toast in 2022, it was just a long game to get there -"The ministerial code says that ministers who knowingly mislead the house should resign"
Its good to see that in his response he is doubling down on the lies.
Does this mean we get our quarter of a million back for his legal fees then?
Does this mean we get our quarter of a million back for his legal fees then?
I think it more likely that he claims that the poor quality of the legal representation supplied to him by the public purse is also at fault for the outrageous findings of the committee.
So Johnson is doing exactly what was expected back in March, when he refused to comment on whether he would denounce any of his supporters labelling the enquiry as a kangaroo court. He set the precedent then, and it's all so utterly predictable.
He's a narcissist of the highest order, and has damaged the UK massively for his own petty gain.
You know what? He can keep that money if he is permanently referred to as "Disgraced former Prime Minister, convicted criminal and suspended former MP Boris Johnson".
What I would really like to see now is his honours list revoked because of this. Sadly, will never happen.
although he is following the trump / narcissist playbook here what he fails to understand is he neither has public backing or political backing that Trump has. Yes there are some who still support him but its a tiny fringe.
Popcorn is not enough for this - I may need a choc ice as well 🙂
Yes there are some who still support him but its a tiny fringe.
He's gone full Trump, but this is where he differs enormously from the Orange man-baby... Trump still has supporters
Johnson's support really is now a minuscule hardcore of absolute nutters, which makes it doubley hilarious that he delusionaly believes he's some man of the people, loved by the electorate
The delicious part is that Sunak will now be asked if he endorses the findings of the committee. If he does so, that lights the blue-touch paper. Disagreeing with it puts him in an awful position as a serving Prime Minister.
Hence this kind of shilly-shallying – but he can’t put it off forever.
Indeed martin.
I fear he may well have to sleep in that kevlar stab vest he was wearing. 😉🙃
Go wild: Cornetto
A full Vienneta impaled on a stick
I think Sunaks tactic is likely to be to change the vote to "note" the results of the committee findings rather than "accept" on the basis Johnson is no longer an MP.
I'm not wading back through all the previous pages to check if this has already been posted, so apologies if it has. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-60205873
I have no skin in the game with the SNP or party politics, but Ian Blackford must be smiling ruefully this morning.
Listening to Nicky Campbell on 5Live this morning and they have some truly deluded people phoning in who still believe it to be a stitch-up and that he is innocent of all charges.
Its difficult to now argue with this...
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1669273219080093698?s=20
an i ask, why is he not in jail? will he ever get punishment?
Creaking door - Blackford was just grandstanding and deliberately proving a suspension
Nadine just broke my Irony meter 😂
https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1669279751083630592?s=20
an i ask, why is he not in jail? will he ever get punishment?
No criminal charges that could result in jailtime and its hard to see what there could be unless some actual evidence of corruption that will stand up in court can be found. Remember we have legalised bribing MPs in the UK with "lobbying contracts" and "consultant roles" and " non exec directorships" as ways to channel money to MPs for favours
I think Sunaks tactic is likely to be to change the vote to “note” the results of the committee findings rather than “accept” on the basis Johnson is no longer an MP.
That was supposedly the plan but the pundits are now reckoning its changed given Sunaks references to normal procedure.
Boris really has turned into our own poundshop Trump hasn't he.
Nadine just broke my Irony meter
I see she has wisely limited who can respond.
an i ask, why is he not in jail? will he ever get punishment?
When he's found guilty of a crime, I hope he is.
I wouldn't underestimate the number of nutters who will believe this is a stitch up, but they are just vocal and not very well armed.
The doubling down and undermining the process certainly added to his punishment. He looks increasingly like a whiny child having a tantrum.
For all it's glacial slowness and strange people in steange costumes, Parliament seems to have finally caught up with him.
I'm just glad there is one episode left of the current run of HIGNFY as I imagine Ian Hislop will be enjoying himself immensely.
As many above have said, he was enabled and emboldened by others who should all be held accountable. And I'd love to think he's going to destroy them all on the way out through sheer spite but I imagine this is just what he was caught doing - there will be plenty more he'll be wanting kept quiet. There will be some huffing and puffing but in the end it'll be in all their interests for it to go away as quickly as possible.
I’m not wading back through all the previous pages to check if this has already been posted, so apologies if it has. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-60205873
/blockquote>I've seen that clip before but I did not previously notice Thérèse Coffey sat on the floor next to the Speaker looking like she has just rolled in after a big night out. What a mess.
I bet Johnson will keep on lashing out and dishing any dirt he has - real or imagined. As a narcissist he can never accept he has done any wrong. Its simply impossible for him psychologically. so in his mind he has been unfairly treated by small minded folk out to get him and thus attempting to get revenge is perfectly right and reasonable.
Edit - its classic DARVO
(an acronym for "deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender") is a reaction that perpetrators of wrongdoing, such as sexual offenders may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. Some researchers indicate that it is a common manipulation strategy of psychological abusers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO
Isn't the oath he took to the committee the equivalent of being in court? Sure I read the perjury was potentially an option, and they seem pretty confident he did.
Theres some Tory MP - David Campbell Bannerman - on Five Live at the moment saying this is a 'Stalinist' assault on Democracy
Yes David... Stalin was renowned for withdrawing the parliamentary passes from his enemies as punishment, having gone through a lengthy legal process 🙄
So where will Sunak need to be on Monday when the commons take a democratic vote on whether they agree with the committee or not.
Incidentally Monday is also Johnsons birthday. I think its a far more thoughtful present than a pair of socks.
Incidentally Monday is also Johnsons birthday. I think its a far more thoughtful present than a pair of socks.
Excellent. 🙂
So where will Sunak need to be on Monday when the commons take a democratic vote on whether they agree with the committee or not.
Poor Zelensky. He really hasn't got time to hoover and clean the toilets for a 'surprise visit' right now.
Some of the additional evidence (statements from people working at No10 who witnessed the parties and behaviour) is particularly damning
"Operational notes were sent out from the security team to be mindful of the cameras outside the door, not to out in groups and social distance, it was all pantomime"
I think Sunaks tactic is likely to be to change the vote to “note” the results of the committee findings rather than “accept” on the basis Johnson is no longer an MP.
I reckon his tactic will be to find an urgent reason why he needs to be in Ukraine or the US or something!
I'm sure his helicopter pilot is on "wartime scramble" status, ready to swoop in and collect him
A lot of huffing & puffing from Johnson's 'allies' about abstaining from the vote
Id be surprised if more than just a few frothing loons (especially those in line for a peerage) abstain
anyone that does is condoning both his law breaking, his lying to parliament and his attacks on the parliamentary committee
Id be surprised if more than just a few frothing loons (especially those in line for a peerage) abstain
Surely thats those who werein line for a peerage before Johnson buggered it up.
Slim chance now though.
Isn’t the oath he took to the committee the equivalent of being in court? Sure I read the perjury was potentially an option, and they seem pretty confident he did.
You can. The committee can instruct the attorney general that they want proceedings to be raised. That might not be a great idea (risk the court disagrees, a massive long court case, even more public money spend arguing whether BJ knew that the events he was photographed at were parties, arguments about being punished twice* etc). It only makes sense to refer to court if the committee itself can not deal with it. People lie in court on a regular basis - usually the defendant - and very often aren't prosecuted for perjury because they will be punished for the original crime.
*Although I'd be entertained to see Boris referring his case to the ECJ - to raise a Human Rights issue.
Fighting like piranha in a pond?
Oh its entertaining. Johnson and co are clearly going to make as much trouble as they can and keep going as long as they can. Dorres byelection likely to be in the Autumn now to overshadow the conference.
the more I read about the report the more damning it is and I love that they added an extra bit about his response to take the theoretical punishment from 10 days suspension to 90 plus losing his HOC pass.
binners - your earlier post re david campbell bannerman...he was interviewed on Newsnight last week and is definitely a fully paid up member of the nutter/headbanger/frothing loon group in tory party.
He's never been an MP - AFAIK - but was tory MEP; he's been tory - ukip - tory; was deputy to farage.
Is now chair of the 'Freedom Alliance' - whatever that is.
I cannot believe the BBC have had him on two programmes in less than two weeks because he has anything relevant to say; more likely they are linking his headbanger/loon comments with johnson to tar both with the same brush.
James O'Brien just went off on one about just that:
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I cannot believe the BBC have had him on two programmes in less than two weeks because he has anything relevant to say; more likely they are linking his headbanger/loon comments with johnson to tar both with the same brush.
Its the bogus "balance". They feel the need to have someone supporting Johnsons position if they have someone being sensible. Such a shortage of Johnson supporters now that its the same few headbangers get invited.
this is the poison of the BBCs supposed balance
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