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Oh, I like that! ^^^
Having just listened to Liz waffle on for a bit, there aren’t any proposals, as such, it’s just more posturing to keep the Brexity idiots entertained
Simple question.
If Boris’s mob think their last attempt at fixing the problem Brexit created was so bad, why should we believe they are the people to fix the botched fix from last time?
Or in other words, “We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.” - Albert Einstein
It’s just more cakist nonsense!
There has to be a border somewhere, so it has to be either between the north and south or in the Irish Sea.
Those are the only two available options. They were the only two available options in 2016 and again in 2019 and they’re the only two available options now.
But apparently the EU are just going to suddenly decide that they don’t need an external border anyway, just to make Borises life a bit easier for him
They could always put the border round the island of Ireland. That would probably suit Boris better.
Those are the only two available options.
I think Nicola was willing to offer Gretna
So Boris, the man who made a journalistic and political career out of complaining about beastly EU bureaucrats sticking to their rules, is now surprised because they want to stick to the terms of the agreement they, and he, signed...
Because, let's face it, just as in all his contracts, including his marriages, he's never felt restricted by the t&cs.
From the BBC:
But Boris Johnson defends his government, saying: "We don't want to nix it, we want to fix it"
If there was any substantive policy there they wouldn’t need to pick catchy little slogans, they’d just get on with the policy. But no, “nix” has it.
It’s almost as if writing stupid soundbites to sell newspapers to idiots was the very limit of his capabilities
And hair ruffling
I haven't had time to listen to what Thick Liz had to say.
I'm guessing it was just more tub-thumping bollocks along the lines of "we didn't want to be members of the club any more and we don't pay a membership fee, but we still want to use the facilities and, in fact, get the club to change its ways to suit us"?
Which will be quietly rowed back from when they think no one is looking. But, of course, the DUP will always be looking.
'Bout right?
That pretty much covers it, yes
“We don’t want to nix it, we want to fix it”
Boris the Builder.
Can we swap him for Neil Morrisey?
Its only Tuesday
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/conservartive-mp-arrested-rape-allegations
Tomorrow's headlines.
Starmer gropes woman's private bits then waves his manhood at her..."Mrs Starmer 56 "blah blah...
I really really want it to be either chope, fabricant or that slave owner mp
I really really want it to be either chope, fabricant or that slave owner mp
Go check which Tory MP names are trending on Twitter.
Ok, if it his him then will be nice to see him in jail
Some of us don't have twitter, so we'll wait with bated breath...!
Go check which Tory MP names are trending on Twitter.
Pmq's tomorrow is going to have every tory male mp in his 50's in attendance except 1
Ah but Francois is one of the Brexit Untouchables.
One rule for them...
Again.
Banana Republic.
Comment on the Francois thread indicates it isn't him.
Really isn't a game with these charges, might be best to let the speculation die a death.
Ignore me, further link on that thread seems to have a name already.
Really isn’t a game with these charges, might be best to let the speculation die a death.
It’s fun though, and Francois is a proper c*** and deserves everything he gets.
“We don’t want to nix it, we want to fix it”
****.
https://twitter.com/JCHannah77/status/1526638279998709761?t=I2ouBlsO3ybfuumvNaE1nA&s=19
Then there were 3
I'm assuming not Johnson or it'd be a bigger fuss
Getting back to the politics stuff, this really is far beyond the looking glass with regards not only to the alternative universe the Brexit headbangers inhabit but their quite staggering lack of self-awareness
https://twitter.com/davidghfrost/status/1526642743023439874?s=21&t=486Rw5-jpDyPSTf5VTt_hQ
It’s the deal that you yourself negotiated, you blithering ****-wit!!!
Ah but they are warping history,they really are creating an alternative reality which favours them.
I was reading the Sun online and it’s really bonkers the ‘punishing us’ tropes and the us vs the eu.
Did truss say that UK gov was to have power over tax and spend policy for the whole UK? So removing tax and spend policy from devolved administrations.
If so the piss stained sofa is happy to stir the fire of independence by removing powers back to the bastion of trust and sound fiscal planning that is London.
It’s the deal that you yourself negotiated, you blithering ****-wit!!!
Yep it’s quite bizarre to see them now attacking their own deal.
Part of me hopes the EU choose to really screw the UK over reneging on the NI Protocol deal to put our arrogant, lying Tory government in it's place but the other part knows it's not BoJo and his minions that will suffer if they do.
Part of me hopes the EU choose to really screw the UK over reneging on the NI Protocol deal to put our arrogant, lying Tory government in it’s place but the other part knows it’s not BoJo and his minions that will suffer if they do.
If there was a way of isolating any Brexit 'benefits' to those that voted for it, I really would be interested.
Yep it’s quite bizarre to see them now attacking their own deal.
Honestly, I'm surprised it's taken this long. I think with perhaps the exception of Johnson, who clearly only "understands" what he wants to, none of these folks are so stupid as not see the glaring contradiction in their "solution" and even if they didn't, it's not like they wouldn't have seen advice from CS in discussions about it. So I think we can be certain that they at least understood this day was coming.
I think, if I'm being generous, they really did believe their own hype about "They need us more than we need them" and they continue to misread the EU's position. I think they're still expecting at the last minute for the EU to say "Oh, OK then" and get them out the hole the dug themselves into, and to pass themselves off as master negotiators (that they clearly think they are) to their supporters
I'm also going to suggest that once again this highlights the issue of having folks in an administration who've come directly from Oxford and Cambridge debating societies who think that "winning" the debate is a better outcome than arriving at a solution to a problem
Part of me hopes the EU choose to really screw the UK over reneging on the NI Protocol deal to put our arrogant, lying Tory government in it’s place but the other part knows it’s not BoJo and his minions that will suffer if they do.
I almost wonder whether the blatant bad faith tactics are designed to trigger some kind of 'trade war' skirmish with the EU which will then be the fuel to perpetuate their 'EU is punishing us' bullshit into the next election, perhaps within months.* Then they can try to divert the blame for the economic woes they've inflicted on us.
The EU is the fed-up parent and the UK government is the mewling toddler testing its patience. In those circumstances, we can only pray that they don't take the bait.
*'Vote for plucky Conservatives standing up for the UK England against the EU oppressors'
it’s not like they wouldn’t have seen advice from CS in discussions about it.
The 2019 Treasury report they tried to suppress, for example
I think, if I’m being generous, they really did believe their own hype about “They need us more than we need them” and they continue to misread the EU’s position
Still hearing this from Brexit voters. They really don't, not with all the bureaucracy and barriers that have to exist following Brexit. It's as easy, or cheaper, to source stuff from within the EU or another 3rd party country rather than the UK.
If there was a way of isolating any Brexit ‘benefits’ to those that voted for it, I really would be interested.
Someone on Twitter did actually suggest that on entering a supermarket, Leavers would get reduced choice of food at higher prices, Remainers would be fine.
At the airport, Remainers could use the auto-passport gates, Leavers would be penned into a long queue for 3hrs.
I thought it had potential...
They could always put the border round the island of Ireland. That would probably suit Boris better.
In reality they have, from a UK perspective.
is this not all a smoke screen to keep the anti Eu sentiment high, along with getting the no deal Brexit they have been pushing for all this time?
I just wish the media would do a better job of outlining the madness of the situation.
along with getting the no deal Brexit they have been pushing for all this time?
We pretty much have got a no-deal Brexit at the moment. No single market, no customs union. And Johnson has to keep pushing its 'implementation' back because even he can see the cliff edge coming.
This is about theatre and the allocation of blame.
is this not all a smoke screen to keep the anti Eu sentiment high, along with getting the no deal Brexit they have been pushing for all this time?
Thats exactly what it is
This government are leading us into the biggest squeeze on incomes on record. Millions of people are about to be plunged into poverty. They haven't got the first idea what to do about it because they are wedded to the Thatcherite idea that 'The Market' must decide everything
Brexit is all they've got. It was what they cynically manipulated to get elected, bit once it was 'done' then their reason to exist went with it. They haven't got a single solitary idea other then deregulation and privatisation to deal with the upcoming financial shitstorm. They're utterly and completely clueless
So they need scapegoats and they need an 'enemy'. So they're re-starting their war with the EU so everything will now be their fault
I doubt it'll work
We just passed a benchmark this morning. The most religious Brexiteer I know this morning posted the Ed Milliband demolition of Boris over the deal, ranting about how useless Johnson was and how this isn't what 'we' were promised.
It seems even the most hardcore, evangelical EU-hating Brexit zealot is now slowly realising the reality as opposed to the pack of lies that Boris and co peddled.
I honestly think that when the second round of massive price hikes hits in the Autumn, we're going to see serious civil unrest again
All the bullshit that Boris and his mates have all spouted since 2016 is coming home to roost, big time
I just wish the media would do a better job of outlining the madness of the situation.
Honestly I think they do a pretty good job. There was a pool TV interview a couple of days ago, and Johnson was directly asked if he hadn't created this mess himself, to which he simply answered that "Yes, yes he had" Then he waffled on about how he'd hoped that they'd have found a better solution by now - which is, as always, the EU giving in. I think that they really do believe the EU are being unreasonable by not giving them exactly what they want.
It's pretty clear that Johnson lied "to get Brexit done" an lots of folks just signed up to it, including the DUP just to make the whole horrid mess go away.