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always worth a reprise


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 11:59 am
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God help us!

If you're on the left-leaning anti-tory side of the political spectrum, Liz Truss would be a gift from god. She has all the incompetence and hubris of Johnson, and none of his inexplicable ability to connect with people. She'll almost certainly try to be a thatcher style dictator if PM, but she doesn't have the intelligence or experience to carry it off, so will make internal enemies very quickly. The country will laugh at her, her party will hate her, and labour will be laughing all the way to a majority at the next election.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 12:05 pm
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and none of his inexplicable ability to connect with people.

think that's waning with familiarity... "Who's Lorraine?"


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 12:08 pm
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In the meantime I see its being heavily trailed that our glorious leader is going to address the Ukrainian parliament this afternoon

Get ready to feel nauseous at the cosplay 'war leader' and the inevitable deluge of Churchill quotes


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 12:09 pm
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Careful with that, Labour haven't been able to do anything with all the other gift horses that have been given to them. Despite having no love for the current government (and hoping they get thrown out as soon as possible), the opposition sides do seem to be failing to come up with anything better to get people behind and voting for.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 12:12 pm
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If you’re on the left-leaning anti-tory side of the political spectrum, Liz Truss would be a gift from god.

I know, I know, but if we have another couple of years of that kind of Conservative government clinging on, the compounded damage could be something to behold - there are so many things going on which could fall off a cliff.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 12:14 pm
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The tory party exists for one purpose only – to concentrate power and wealth in the hands of the rich and powerful.

their ideal is to have a rich upper class with all the money and power. a cowed middle class who are struggling but attempting to join the rich and a large underclass of ill educated labour to be exploited

I choose to believe that there the majority of the Tory party have more altruistic tendencies. I suspect if you asked Tory MPs why they got into to politics the overwhelming answer would be to make things better. Historically, Tory policy might be summarised as low tax and small state. The though was that the wealth divide could be closed by higher employment, giving more motivation to work hard and earn more, and a greater proportion of home ownership etc. To me, this is not intrinsically wrong even if I fundamentally don't agree.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 12:19 pm
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but if we have another couple of years of that kind of Conservative government clinging on, the compounded damage could be something to behold

I'm afraid that's already priced in. Unless of course you think a Jeremy Hunt administration would be any better? It won't be. Tories are tories, and the damage will happen whoever leads them. The problem is not what they might do in the next two years (although only one year realistically), but in the next 5 after the next election if labour don't get their arses in gear.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 12:25 pm
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The country will laugh at her, her party will hate her, and labour will be laughing all the way to a majority at the next election.

She'll wrap herself in a Union Jack, make some anti-immigration pronouncements and she'll be grand.

A great line from a long forgotten song by The Chameleons:

"Obnoxious actions... obnoxious results".

It worked for Brexit, it worked at the last GE and it will work again.

🤷‍♂️


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 12:38 pm
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Don't think Johnson's "concern" for Ukraine is going play out the way he thinks. His own Brexit has seen to that making the UK an insular inward looking country... for example most rated comment in the daily heil

Wish Johnson cared as much about the UK as he does about Ukraine. Also why is he forever upping the stakes of a nuclear conflict? Can't he look for a diplomatic solution if he is so concerned.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 12:39 pm
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^^^^

That is one ****ing confused Mail reader.

🤣

The correct reply is:

"If he cared about the UK he wouldn't have backed Leave".

Plus at least 20 laughing emojis.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 12:56 pm
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that's 5000+ confused Fail readers/bots 😉


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 1:01 pm
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I've Just watched some of the Susanna Reid interview on GMB. Jesus wept! He really can't cope with someone who won't be palmed off with his usual flannel, can he? No wonder he hides in fridges

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1521402532857274370?s=20&t=S5xTm8OZdbg2yh-JU66twA

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1521400219568590849?s=20&t=S5xTm8OZdbg2yh-JU66twA

Absolutely pathetic! I think its fair to say that Susanna Reid doesn't seem particularly impressed with his blathering


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 2:05 pm
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I'd love to see peak grumpy Paxman interview him !


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 2:15 pm
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Profits are gained from screwing the labour of employees, it’s one or the other.

Bullshite, you can still make a profit whilst making sure you are not exploiting anyone . The profit won’t be as big, but it’s a profit none the less.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 2:30 pm
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I see Boris latest tactic is to let people buy their council houses at reduced rate. Well that worked well in the past 🙄

I wonder if that one will get dropped once Thursday comes and goes ?


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 2:32 pm
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Full interview below if you can stomach listening to and watching the utter ****ing cock weasel


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 2:35 pm
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Hats off to GMB... including clips of the people they used as examples of those hit hard by rising costs made that extra strong... and Reid sticking to the details of their situations and their benefits and not letting Johnson get away with "doing everything we can"... very good planning and persistence. They were SO ready for this. Good work.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 3:20 pm
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Oh... there we are... we can "trust" Johnson because he "got Brexit done" [that's all he's got, and he hasn't even done that].


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 3:28 pm
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Revs, extracting surplus value (absolute or relative) might be described as 'exploitation' or 'profiting at the margins' but it adds up to the same thing. You might see it as 'bullshite', Smith, Ricardo and Marx might beg to differ.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 3:44 pm
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Johnson probably thought he was going to get a load of soft soap from Richard Madeley


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 3:49 pm
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Johnson won't care. His supporters will just believe it was a stitch up orchestrated by the Liberal elite. That's the great thing about framing conscious choices as a culture war - everything can be pinned on the sneering elite.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 6:00 pm
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Cold War Steve on good form today....

no10 fridge

24 hour buses


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 6:06 pm
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Another tory acolyte following the bosses example 🤣🤣🤣

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-61307006

Police and Crime Commissioner racking up FIVE speeding offences in three months - good effort!


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 6:37 pm
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From February but nothing's changed.

https://equalitytrust.org.uk/blog/levelling-has-done-nothing-inequality


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 6:47 pm
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Did Boris take credit for free bus travel? Mmmm not here he didn't.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 7:03 pm
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The thing is, we all knew this years ago, when this nasty piece of work was not only repeatedly sacked for lying, but conspired to get a journalist beaten up. We know he’s a liar, we know he’s a criminal… surely, everyone still voting Conservative while he is leader knows that as well? More lies, corruption and law breaking were the only likely outcome of making him PM. Everyone knows it, don’t they?


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 7:16 pm
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TBH how does free bus thing that work again pension age of er 67 in Engerland and 60 for NI,Scotland and Wales.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 7:17 pm
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I can’t see them going into a general election without doing a screeching u-turn on windfall tax on energy companies.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 7:34 pm
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I hate GMB for dumbing down a lot, despite enjoying Ms Reid being on the telly in the morning, but my word they upped their game with that interview and showed the rest how to do it.

Nadine will be wanting to privatise them in revenge!

Came to post the story about the Notts PCC - that would be a resigning issue in normal times


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 7:51 pm
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You mean in olden times...this appears to be the new normal!


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 8:18 pm
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Well when/if she gets banned, she's done her job and taken an habitual speeder off the road.

Christ! I've not managed that number of convictions doing 30-50k miles per year for 25 years.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 8:33 pm
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Victoria Atkins took a hammering from the audience on the C4 news debate this evening. Really clear loss of trust and faith in the Tories.


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 8:55 pm
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I choose to believe that there the majority of the Tory party have more altruistic tendencies. I suspect if you asked Tory MPs why they got into to politics the overwhelming answer would be to make things better.

They are unlikely to campaign on a platform of "screwing the plebs and lining our pockets" are they? The trick with being a corrupt bastard is not to be too overt about it, or at least wave a few Union flags while you're at it so people don't notice as easily...

Historically, Tory policy might be summarised as low tax and small state. The though was that the wealth divide could be closed by higher employment, giving more motivation to work hard and earn more, and a greater proportion of home ownership etc. To me, this is not intrinsically wrong even if I fundamentally don’t agree.

Hmmm, the fact that after a decade of conservative economic policy we had to be sold the concept of "levelling up" by a slightly different flavour of Tory party (not that anyone has seen any levelling up yet), And we're just starting to enjoy our lovely new higher NI contributions, Those of us too poor enough to pay ourselves in shares or loans from our own companies...

The truth is that the idea that those "who work hard earn more" is a useful myth. Those already with some spare capital to invest (and the right chums) seem to "earn" disproportionately more, and are helped to keep it out of the clutches of HMRC by their friends in influencial positions.

Actual workers are generally too knackered and poorly advised to keep track of their dwindling pension fund as it's siphoned off by some bastard with an MBA, the right handshake, the same school tie as half the cabinet and a membership of 'the Leader's Group'...

What Torys promise and what we get are seldom the same thing, at least that's what I choose to believe...


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 9:06 pm
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I can’t see them going into a general election without doing a screeching u-turn on windfall tax on energy companies.

No doubt it will be touted as something they do if they voted in, the idiots will lap it up , then nothing will happen


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 9:24 pm
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Historically, Tory policy might be summarised as low tax and small state.

Thts what they and their paid for propaganda rags tell you. Actually their economic record is poor, they have in recent decades raised taxes more than labour and love a bit of bureaucracy and complex quangos etc. Look at the NHS in england - now fragmented, massive admin costs and low performing. Huge increase in state bureaucracy


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 9:34 pm
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Blimey, Reid absolutely and obviously enjoyed tearing him apart. Great stuff.👍


 
Posted : 03/05/2022 9:45 pm
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The thing is, we all knew this years ago, when this nasty piece of work was not only repeatedly sacked for lying, but conspired to get a journalist beaten up. We know he’s a liar, we know he’s a criminal… surely, everyone still voting Conservative while he is leader knows that as well? More lies, corruption and law breaking were the only likely outcome of making him PM. Everyone knows it, don’t they?

Like Trump he legitimised being a bit of an arsehole. Turns out more of the electorate had a nasty insular side than was initially thought.


 
Posted : 04/05/2022 8:18 am
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Let’s not get this onto Trump. I strongly suspect his own thread will be be getting busier again in the coming years 😔

Anyway, local elections… please get out and vote (if you haven’t done so by post already).


 
Posted : 04/05/2022 9:58 am
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Anyway, local elections… please get out and vote (if you haven’t done so by post already).

I think the Lib Dems might make considerable gains - people who don't want to vote Tory but can't bear to vote for "Starmer". Problem is that a lot of the LD policies are little more than Tory-lite, they've gone for the populist approach with the line that Tories are sleazy (very true) and "Labour aren't listening" to the people.

We all know what happens when we listen to "the people"... 🙄


 
Posted : 04/05/2022 10:25 am
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He's genuinely in a world of his own, isn't he? Given that the Conversative Party has been in power for upwards of 12 years at this point, blaming previous parties for failure to invest in infrastructure is laughable.

Had the Tories not directly taxed businesses and local authorities who wanted to put solar panels on their roofs, or not placated wind farm NIMBYs, or even just decided to directly fund nuclear power stations without trying to get China to foot the bill, we wouldn't be in this mess.


 
Posted : 04/05/2022 10:33 am
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Thts what they and their paid for propaganda rags tell you. Actually their economic record is poor, they have in recent decades raised taxes more than labour and love a bit of bureaucracy and complex quangos etc. Look at the NHS in england – now fragmented, massive admin costs and low performing. Huge increase in state bureaucracy

Definitely this.

The Tories fiscally are nothing to do with what they espouse. A bumbling, confusing set of free market ideas that use the state when it needs to farm more money to the wealthy.

When people realise that money always starts with the state - in a sovereign country with a central bank - then you realise the slapstick approach of modern government spending.

The rules of government spending they use politically (see £300 million for Ukraine.) But in other circumstances there is no money left. (Twaddle of course.)

It's a charade now busted open more than ever. But yeah the Tories are simply small state when they need to say so or when it benefits them.


 
Posted : 04/05/2022 10:43 am
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Had the Tories not directly taxed businesses and local authorities who wanted to put solar panels on their roofs, or not placated wind farm NIMBYs, or even just decided to directly fund nuclear power stations without trying to get China to foot the bill, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

Absolutely this

But the thing is, despite their protestations, they still don't intend to do anything about any of this.

What we have now is government by headline/soundbite/slogan, which is totally unsurprising given its got a third rate journalist at its head. All he's ever bothered about during his whole excuse for a career is tomorrows headlines. He's zero interest in anything beyond that. He's no time for the hard graft involved in achieving any of the things the slogans promote

What? Me? Do some actual work? Are you serious? Do you know who I am?

So he makes a bold statement about building a nuclear power station a year for 10 years. Seriously, does anyone think that a single nuclear power station will be built?

Of course they bloody won't!

That would take planning and huge investment, and this government has no interest in any of that nonsense. Same with the '40 new hospitals' and god knows what else. It'll just never happen, because there was never any plan for it to happen. its just another throwaway headline-grab that won't make it past the weeks news cycle

The problem we have is that a lot of people have the attention span of a goldfish and never look beyond the soundbites, headlines and slogans.

So he gets to carry on like the overgrown adolescent he is, winging it, while not actually doing a bloody thing. In some ways we should be thankful. His utter sloth-like laziness will spare us from the worst of the damage his policies (such as they are) would do as he simply can't be bothered


 
Posted : 04/05/2022 10:49 am
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All he’s ever bothered about during his whole excuse for a career is tomorrows headlines. He’s zero interest in anything beyond that. He’s no time for the hard graft involved in achieving any of the things the slogans promote

That GMB interview also showed that he's got zero empathy.
He hears a story about a pensioner forced to spend all day riding the buses just to keep warm and the first thing he says is not "oh that's terrible" but "oh I introduced the pass that allows her to do this!"

a) he didn't
b) that is emphatically not the point of that story!

I don't think any of them on their £80k+ salary, gold-plated pensions and every conceivable expense paid for as well (alongside their lucrative "second jobs") actually understand anything at all about how precarious life is for the average person - vast numbers of people are little more than a few pay cheques away from poverty, they don't have trust funds or savings to "dip into" and not buying smashed avo on toast for a week is not going to make them a millionaire.


 
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