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Well, considering all the anti-“woke” nonsense being pushed by Johnson’s ministers (their term, used by them) then they’re turning voters away.
Not this ^^^.
Or perhaps they understand how Johnson became PM, and are doubling down.
This ^^^.
Fabricant with his nonsense, Edward Leigh with his anti-immigration stuff on Ukraine, etc.
They know their audience. And a lot of them reply to opinion polls saying how 'enlightened' they are, occasionally give to charity, go to church and pray for all mankind... then get nasty when it's time to put a cross in a box.
As for Sunak, what a horrible piece of work. And totally out of touch and just thick. They haven't got any savings, Rishi, you moron. That is why they are on their arses. And now they can't afford basics. Due in no small part to the genius idea that is Brexit.
But wrap a Union Jack around it and say "we'll stop forriners taking your slice of nothing" and it is job jobbed.
Most people didn’t voted for Brexit.
Im confused , Am I missing something here ?
I think it was that at the time, 17 million people decided the fate of a country with a population of 65 million?
Maybe that was just a rumour.
revs - yes - those that didn't vote. only 30 odd % of those eligible to vote voted for brexit
And lots of people weren’t eligible to vote. Notably many citizens from other countries who live here.
And those who hadn't been UK resident for more than 15 years. In other words, those that had taken advantage of and were dependant on EU membership for freedom of movement. Happily many already had or have since obtained dual nationality.
Please take all my travel/work rights away and give me a blue passport and allow me to spend hours queuing at passport queues.
I don’t want to retire or live van life in another country 🙂
But how do you know how the eligible ones that didn’t vote, would have voted ?
So in effect , most people ( who were eligible to vote ) couldn’t be arsed either way enough to take time out of their day to put a cross on a piece of paper. Those who did, did it and therefore as the result showed, most people in the uk voted for brexit (by default anyway)
But how do you know how the eligible ones that didn’t vote, would have voted ?
I never claimed to. I don’t think anyone else did either.
I just said that most people in Britain didn’t vote for Brexit. Whether they were ineligible, ill, away, undecided, or just not bothered one way or another… most people didn’t vote for Brexit, and don’t vote for the Tories. So surveys that show that most people in Britain are supportive of “woke” policies (I strongly suspect the answers of many people would have been different if the term “woke” had been used in the questions) does not give an indication of the views of the minority of people in Britain that were motivated and able to vote for Brexit and Johnson’s “get Brexit done” government.
"So in effect , most people ( who were eligible to vote ) couldn’t be arsed either way enough to take time out of their day to put a cross on a piece of paper."
There was also talk at the time of the referendum simply being a way for the government to get an idea, finger in the wind, as to how the country in general felt about remaining in or leaving the EU.
Then after it was held - BANG! "WILL OF THE PEOPLE", Legally binding etc etc etc. you know the rest. Based on a foundation of lies, the result is a completely predictable utter and complete disaster for all but the few who did and always were going to profit from it.
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That's pretty much 'it', yes.
And it was only advisory too.
And it didn't stipulate the type of Brexit, either.
52/48 on a pretty low turnout and then it was immediately THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE and high court judges who were trying to uphold the law in the face of our little experiment were branded TRAITORS. Then we were pushed into pretty much the hardest Brexit possible, despite anyone with half a brain knowing it was against the interests of >99% of the population.
It's enough to make you suspect that those pushing for it might have had ulterior motives...
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Ahh but then the opposition parties gifted an early election
and the people voted Capn Numpty into a majority, as they were bored with Brexit and wanted it done yesterday.
Oven ready deals, relabelled may jobby pulled from the bin and borders in the Irish Sea and here we are, no noisy protests,voter photo iD required for the non-issue of voter fraud.
Im not sure if its posted before on this thread but this is a good expose of the Brexit mindset with regard to Lord Rees Moog (the father of haunted pencil/child catcher Jacob Rees Moog) and his 1997 published book "The Sovereign Individual"
Part 1 : Lord William Rees Moog - The Sovereign Individual
Part 2 : Lord William Rees Moog - The Sovereign Individual
TLDR : Keep the plebs where they are. they deserve to be shit upon
TBF people can identify with anti-racism, trans rights, and all the rest but if you should WOKE enough people go "yeah that sounds bad, I don't like that". One thing the right is very good at- has to be good at- is making good things sound bad. Hence "social justice warrior" "do-gooder" "political correctness", you attack the image not the fact. So every protestor is an far left anarchist or a lazy benefits scrounger (or both simultaneously, shrodinger's Lazy Activist). And so on. Or all this crazy CRT stuff in the states.
So much goes back to the same thing; the right is naturally good at lying, and twisting things. They have to be, because they can't win the argument with honesty and directness, they'd be up on stage saying "I will make you poorer and more miserable for no reason" rather than "we must live within our means". And so they don't exactly attack equal rights, or actively promote racism, instead they attack anti-racists and the anti-racist movements.
Interestingly Brexit has made me an ‘illegal alien’ for the last 6 months and it’s an interesting position to be on as you suddenly have a new found perspective on immigration 🙂
(I do have a little laugh but it could quite easily be a serious problem for other people, downside is I couldn’t drive to the beach this morning as my driving licence is now invalid.)
Lord Rees Moog (the father of haunted pencil/child catcher Jacob Rees Moog)
Fun fact
My step-father-in-law worked for William Rees Mogg when he was editor of The Times. He was known by most as 'Weary Willie' it and was considered by many staff that, whatever got him this plumb establishment position, it wasn't his talent at editing newspapers.
He was known by most as ‘Weary Willie’ it and was considered by many staff that, whatever got him this plumb establishment position, it wasn’t his talent
Like father like son. The apple never falls far from the tree.
The Coming Storm podcast on BBC Sounds talks about the rise of QAnon and the build up to the Capitol riot, and I was surprised that Rees Mogg Snr gets several mentions for his manifesto
Let's face it, we all have things in our lives that make us a bit cross as they seem inconvenient and pointless.
Motorway signs that get left on long after the incident has cleared.
Having to make a two hour round trip to dispose of paint because no one will take it any more.
But a lot of people seem to feel the need to carry that anger and project it onto someone else to apportion blame.
The right is very good at providing aimlessly angry people with a focal point for that anger.
All of a sudden the half hour wait before anyone even looks at a ringing phone down at the local GP practice is the fault of 'forriners' or 'benefits cheat druggies' who have eighteen kids Sky TV and go on holiday to Spain every year. Even better, that blame is deflected away from the main culprit - namely Tories starving it of funding so it can fail and the good bits privatised.
Yep, when people vote for Tories because they are 'good for business' they need to know it is good for the business owners. Profits are gained from screwing the labour of employees, it's one or the other. Oddly enough, not many people seem to know that.
It is the insinuation that socialists or centrists want to take away the few crumbs you have been tossed from the top table and given to the 'undeserving' that does it.
I'm actually starting to believe if it all goes pear shaped after the locals that Johnson might actually call an early election. Or at least threaten one.
Things are going so horribly wrong at the moment and Brexit hasn't even kicked in yet, cost of living is going to get even harder, I wonder if Labout getting in now would be a poisoned chalice, they'd get all the stick for it and stragely the Tories could come back saying they would fix it (and people would be daft enought to believe them).
Or it somehow the Tories did win a snap election, Boris would be untouchable again.
I’m actually starting to believe if it all goes pear shaped after the locals that Johnson might actually call an early election. Or at least threaten one.
I don't know, loathe him or... No just loathe him, he's made an art form of bluffing, doubling down, obfuscation and generally just riding out every storm on a raft made from dead cats lashed together with lies. On some level I can't help but admire the sheer audacity of it all.
At this point he needs pushing out and the only people who can do that are his MPs.
Boris' continued presence in No.10 is entirely due to the lack of sufficient letters of no confidence, which in turn is due to his MPs not really seeing a viable alternative leader and/or many of them not feeling insecure enough in their own posts to get the knives out just yet...
The conservative party is at its very core about individual self interest, for now the people with the means to actually remove BoJo find their own interests still just about aligned enough with his to let him Carry on as PM.
If significant enough protest votes occur next week that might persuade some of them, but I honestly think Boris will try to ride it out no matter what, and is hedging all his bets now entirely on how spineless his backbenchers are and where they see their own interests being best served for the next 12-18 months.
It is the insinuation that socialists or centrists want to take away the few crumbs you have been tossed from the top table and given to the ‘undeserving’ that does it.
There was a famous political cartoon referencing that...
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riding out every storm on a raft made from dead cats lashed together with lies.
Beautiful turn of phrase....
Yep, when people vote for Tories because they are ‘good for business’ they need to know it is good for the business owners.
56% of all businesses in the UK are self employed single person businesses. About 2 millions active companies
I don't think you meant what you said, did you? Most companies in the country aren't like Amazon or some giant corporation. Most companies are things like the garage that does your MOT or the cafe at the end of the street. I don't think voting Tory does those folks any good at all.
Self-employment was introduced to eradicate the'lump'. Clearly I'm talking about the labour theory of value where a person is employed to benefit another, only slightly with tongue in cheek.
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I wonder if Labout getting in now would be a poisoned chalice, they’d get all the stick for it and stragely the Tories could come back saying they would fix it (and people would be daft enought to believe them).
This is a fair point, we could well see a re-run of the outcomes from the credit crunch, where a global downturn was blamed on Labour's wild public spending, a steadying conservative hand was needed, and so we got George and austerity, ironically enough a contributing factor in the "anti-establishment" vote for Brexit and subsequently Boris...
I could imagine a first term of an SKS led Labour government being undermined by a global cost of living crisis and voters seeing themselves getting relatively poorer still, it would be an easy play for Torys to blame that entirely on Labour and not the situation they inherited.
If significant enough protest votes occur next week that might persuade some of them, but I honestly think Boris will try to ride it out no matter what, and is hedging all his bets now entirely on how spineless his backbenchers are and where they see their own interests being best served for the next 12-18 months.
He will adopt the unflushable turd tactic without question. It is what he does.
TLDR : Keep the plebs where they are. they deserve to be shit upon
you forgot
I don't like taxes, oh no, at least, not for me.
Remove welfare.
Remove services.
Basically what you'd come out with if you were a greedy self centred unt of giant proporitions without a shred of empathy, or, a psychopath.
Not sure what sort of mess Rees Mogg wants to rule over though. These centralised services are part of the glue that binds society together in order that it can achieve greater things together.
The stunningly obvious oversight of this supposed great intelligence which authored this book, is that dictators (and I do believe that's what Rees Mogg wants to be) do often end in untimely ends. Or to put it another way, a country with lower wealth disparity and happier citizens is safer for all. You don't get to the moon by rubbing everyones noses in pigshite. See also North Korea.
Rees Mogg can get in the sea.
The tory party exists for one purpose only - to concentrate power and wealth in the hands of the rich and powerful.
their ideal is to have a rich upper class with all the money and power. a cowed middle class who are struggling but attempting to join the rich and a large underclass of ill educated labour to be exploited
Good thread on how bad a state we are in. We really need some grown-ups with a plan.
Johnson finally pops his head over the parapet on GMB after a few years' absence, and probably won't be back any time soon going by his performance.
His response to a story about a pensioner who can't afford to heat her home so uses her free bus pass all day to stay warm?
"I introduced the Freedom pass"
a) He didn't
b) FFS!
If significant enough protest votes occur next week that might persuade some of them, but I honestly think Boris will try to ride it out no matter what, and is hedging all his bets now entirely on how spineless his backbenchers are and where they see their own interests being best served for the next 12-18 months.
The problem is that everyone at the top of the present Tory Party - which isn't really any kind of recognisable Tory Party at all - exists for one reason only...
Brexit. And possibly bits of the associated culture war.
Thats it. Theres nothing else there. Absolutely nothing of any substance beyond three word slogans.
Just look at what the entire cabinet of useless nodding dogs came up with after their 'Brainstorming' session to address the cost of living crisis... Bi-annual MOTs and reduced standards for childminders. Thats it! Brilliant!
So all the Tory backbenchers can see that not just Johnson, but all the potential leadership candidates are completely devoid of ideas beyond the cultural vandalism of Nadine Dorres. As inflation goes through the roof and peoples heating costs rocket, they've got nothing. No answers, no ideas, and no real concern anyway as it won't effect them and their mates. Just the usual mantra of leaving it to 'The Market', because thats obviously going so well
So theres no potential challenge to Johnson because nobody wants the top job with everything thats coming because they don't have the first clue what to do about it, so best let Boris carry the can
Even if the local election results are absolutely catastrophic I still think Boris is safe
We really need some grown-ups with a plan.
Weren't they meant to have shown up by now? Or was that the German car industry?
They'll just be labelled unpatriotic and 'hating brittun' and ignored.
The next leader won't be from this cabinet if the Conservative MPs kick Johnson out. They all go down with him. That makes them stick with him. That's a lot of votes in a vote of no confidence he has on his side before he even starts buttering up backbench MPs with bribes and lies.
They all go down with him.
That's the hope. There's no use getting rid of Johnson if you're left with Dorries, Raab, Dowden, Rees-Mogg, Patel still running the shop. The Augean stables need to be thoroughly washed out.
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Yeah but Steve 'I look so calm and assured because I am in fact a total psychopath' Baker is not in the cabinet either.
<Shudder>
So theres no potential challenge to Johnson because nobody wants the top job with everything thats coming because they don’t have the first clue what to do about it, so best let Boris carry the can
Liz Truss - clearly on maneuvers for the top job. tickles the fancy of many in the tory party.
Truss would sell her own family into slavery for a promotion. Seems the ideal candidate.
Met Police investigating a murder at No 10 this morning.
The suspect is described as an IC1 female, slim build, dark hair. Goes by the name "Susannah"
Liz Truss – clearly on manoeuvres for the top job. tickles the fancy of many in the tory party.
That would be a critical mass of stupidity. Liz is thick enough not to really see the fully loaded goods train coming down the track at full speed, and the Tory membership are thick enough to buy her third rate Fatcha tribute act
So, given the track record of this sorry excuse for a country over the last 6 years, you're right. This outcome is probably now inevitable
God help us!
That would be a critical mass of stupidity.
Agreed. Every single time you think that we have the worst Prime Minister ever, the next one manages to sink even lower. It's actually quite an achievement - in a situation where the entire country wasn't being ****ed sideways, it'd probably be quite amusing.