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the pay isn’t enough for Boris to get out of bed let alone do anything dramatic like turn up for votes
True, but it's clear that Johnson isn't really interested in just money. If he was, he could just have spent the last decade working in the media and strategic advisory bullshit, all if which pays much better for him than politics. He wants luxury and power, but he doesn't want the hassle of earning money or even showing up for meetings or votes or yawn-worthy boringness like that...
Time as a PM opens up vast potential income if done right - Blair managed that very well.
I f Johnson has retired as an MP, under what capacity will he make a comeback?
Johnson hasn't formally resigned yet.
There could be more shenanigans ahead.
Johnson hasn’t formally resigned yet.
He did last night.
If Johnson has retired as an MP, under what capacity will he make a comeback?
Campbell/Stewart podcast last episode was predicting Johnson resigns, spends a couple of years with his snout in the public speaking circuit (and distributing IOUs on oligarchs' yachts) where he doesn't need to disclose the sources of his income, picks up a safe seat before the election, Sunak loses, Johnson becomws leader of the Tories, then gets to enjoy himself as leader of the Opposition, swanning around in big vroom vroom cars at other people's expense, being loved by the people, and taking the piss out of that nerd Keir Starmer once a week at PMQs. Huzzah, what jolly japes for the king of the world!
It's completely mad. But so is he. Berlusconi came back three times. Trump might be about to do it. Why not him?
You would hope the public would learn and make sure it doesn't happen...however, we've also seen that the public don't seem to learn anything!
Pick of the Week last Sunday had required listening. A mother who couldn't visit her distressed daughter due to distance of travel restrictions. Call the police local to the daughter who eventually confirmed that the young woman had committed suicide. Funeral restricted to 3 people. The same police insisted that the flat was cleared of belongings on the day of the funeral.
Raw, visceral anger on display and the presenter was struggling too.
My son having to use pathetically inadequate PPE in a care home and catching the virus 4 or 5 times as a result.
My lovely Mother-in-Law dying due to giving up. Each visit to hospital resulted in a 14 day isolation period. Each one reducing her will to carry on. My youngest Brother-in-Law saw her out, he and the oldest sat with her in shifts to ensure she was not alone.
There was no wake, nor an inside church service. We socially distanced at the grave side as she was buried and flew home that afternoon.
Then to learn of the arrogant disregard and ignorance of their own rules. Angry, me? I'm bloody raging and no I won't be moving on, ever.
Hanging without the use of a trapdoor would be literally too quick and dignified for those bastards in charge.
Do we need a separate inquiry thread?
Do we need a separate inquiry thread?
I think so.
Yet it will only, from my seat, stir up anger and resentment. We need an inquiry - but there are no punishments in place for the damage and crimes committed it seems.
You would hope the public would learn and make sure it doesn’t happen…however, we’ve also seen that the public don’t seem to learn anything!
52% voted Leave. You should abandon that quaint notion of hoping the general public know what they are doing with anything ever.
Half the people you see driving, walking, wandering around supermarkets etc would struggle to tell you what day it is.
Half the people you see driving, walking, wandering around supermarkets etc would struggle to tell you what day it is.
It must be miserable to go about your daily business with such a contemptuous attitude towards people Danny.
How do you cope?
Do you look to Jacob Rees-Mogg for inspiration?
It must be miserable to go about your daily business with such a contemptuous attitude towards people Danny.
It's not half and I suspect social media magnifies the idiots even more but he's not wrong - a significant % of the population should not be allowed out unsupervised.
The Brexit vote enabled all the closet racists alongside all the "we're fed up of experts" brigade and it's the desperate rush for a "balanced" viewpoint that allows utter morons to platform their views alongside actual experts.
World expert on economics - leave will result in the UK being substantially poorer.
And here we have Steve from Essex - unintelligible grunts about sovrintee.
Thank you both very much.
I suspect social media magnifies the idiots
Well it can be a bit of an eye-opener.
the “we’re fed up of experts” brigade
Which massively influenced the UK government response* to covid right back in late March, early April 2020. And this hubris was a direct consequence of the utter shits that Brexit empowered to become the so-called top team.
I've met Jonathan Van Tam. A more impressive individual in his field you cannot imagine. But the big bosses were useless chancers.
Johnson was too busy off porking god knows who's wife and couldn’t be bothered to attend COBRA meetings.
Would someone like May or Cameron have done a better job in that crucial first fortnight? Yes - I genuinely think they would have.
Would someone like May or Cameron have done a better job in that crucial first fortnight? Yes – I genuinely think they would have.
May I agree with as she has a public service ethos. Cameron? maybe but he was a very weak PM who kowtowed to his backbenchers too much
We need an inquiry – but there are no punishments in place for the damage and crimes committed it seems.
If crimes are proven to have been committed, then of course there will punishments.
I'm far more concerned that lessons are learnt and preparations are made for the next similar crisis. Much as I'd love to see lies and deliberate "mistakes" exposed and used against them, vengeance is not so important to me.
The Brexit vote enabled all the closet racists alongside all the “we’re fed up of experts” brigade and it’s the desperate rush for a “balanced” viewpoint that allows utter morons to platform their views alongside actual experts.
World expert on economics – leave will result in the UK being substantially poorer.
And here we have Steve from Essex – unintelligible grunts about sovrintee.
Yep. I'm I'm staggered that so many people didn't understand then that "balanced" debates aren't the same as objectivity. I've seen it on this forum, too.
Like hundreds of thousands of people, I'm mourning the loss of family from the pandemic. Johnson in fact threw a party at Downing St on the very day that I heard my mother gasping her last words to me over the phone.
It's not just Johnson I want to see held culpable. I want to see those who sponsored him, enabled him and the client journalists who knew exactly what he was like but who made excuses for him to all be held to account.
It wasn't Steve from Essex though, it was a bunch of political grifters financed by right wing PACS (mainly American billionaires) and Putin. And while some realisation of the damage done is being directed at the easier to portray bogeymen of Putin, China and some arab states. The western oligarchy is having the biggest impact on distorting western democracy and is continuing to do so with barely a whisper of challenge.
Farage and Johnson together in the same party? That much incompetence, hubris, and failure together in one place would be a joy to watch.
I can’t see BJ standing with Farage who’s a loser in his view, BJ got elected as PM but Farage couldn’t even get elected as a MP so other than on the sidelines shouting has never gained a genuine position of power, other than being an MEP.
I’m not saying that Farage is impotent but he’s never achieved true power.
Why would BJ dilute his brand 🙂
Looks like Johnson (though now apparently not even an MP) and his allies in the party are still manoeuvring and up to all kinds of their typical chicanery to corrupt the parliamentary process once again. The party whips are absolutely complicit in this, probably desperately trying to limit the damage and fearing him taking everyone else down with him and causing even more chaos if they don't go along with it.
I had a feeling that his (dis)honours list and last Fridays toy-chucking tantrum wouldn't be the last of it, and so it isn't. He's still got another big two fingers to everyone yet.
What a **** that man is. The absence of even a shred of contrition, remorse or self-awareness would be staggering in anyone else, barring Liz Truss, but with him its just more of the same
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1668698110833328128?s=20
This could all get very confusing and messy, for Johnson and the Tory Party. Which given that Boris Johnson is at the centre of it all may not be a surprise.
Haha! That's an understatement.
And the trouble making has started. Accusing Jenkin of being at a birthday party under lockdown and thus Jenkin resign from and should be referred to the privileges committee.
What fights more than rats in a sack?
Great to see the loons going after Jenkin
Who's running the country while this panto is going on?
Presumably the much derided Blob that Truss was so keen to blame for her own stupidity?
We might as well change the national anthem to the Benny Hill Show theme tune now.
What fights more than rats in a sack?
MPs on a bench?
We're gonna need a better metaphor..
Wolverines on coke?
We’re gonna need a better metaphor..
Bacteria in a scum.
HTH.
Like turds in a river?
It’s not just Johnson I want to see held culpable. I want to see those who sponsored him, enabled him and the client journalists who knew exactly what he was like but who made excuses for him to all be held to account.
You're going to need a fair old length of wall for that!
Even now though, he's getting legal fees and rent and holidays and god only knows what else paid for by rich donors - what the hell is in it for them or are they still "paying him back" based on Brexit and the millions they made on shorting the pound or moving business overseas?
Supposedly then today we get to read the Priv Committee report, meanwhile Johnson is taking aim at the Chair saying he was also at parties and therefore can't be relied on to write a fair report, it's all devalued, etc.
This is better than Netflix, other than as SKS said yesterday, meanwhile people are struggling to eat and pay their bills while the clown show argues like petulant kids in the 3rd form about who can have a seat in the Lords
Nadine won't go quietly, looks like she wants to burn down as much as she can on the way......and even the opening salvos in the Covid enquiry seem to already be incredulous at the lack of preparedness despite there being reports predicting an epidemic of some sort at some time.
My favourite quote of the last few days; when a clown moves into a castle it doesn't make him a King, it makes the castle into a circus.
Red noses at the ready, this is coming to its glorious throwing buckets of water at each other crescendo!
This report must be worse than anyone expects if their desperation to stop it being published is anything to go by.
there’s a cracking quote from an unnamed Tory MP in the Guardian this morning
“We’re not far off him asking Andrew Bridgen for his tinfoil hat supplier.”
Supposedly then today we get to read the Priv Committee report, meanwhile Johnson is taking aim at the Chair saying he was also at parties and therefore can’t be relied on to write a fair report, it’s all devalued, etc.
Leaving aside the other flaws surely someone else who ignored the rules is more likely to be sympathetic than someone who followed all the rules?
If I was going to be done for cycling on a footpath I would prefer to have people who also feel the access laws arent fit for purpose than a member of the ramblers.
I quite like that's it's a lot of the pro Brexit loons turning on each other too
That they're willing to bring down Jenkin in a pointless effort to invalidate the committee is awesome
Johnson is an unflushable turd, Sunak must be tearing his hair out waiting for the cistern to refill so he can try again
So you cannot rely on a man who attended a party to pass judgement on a man accused of lying about attending a party he was fined for attending?
Have we got two wrongs making a right here?
The weight of irony of Johnson claiming that other MP are unreliable and can't be trusted should have it's own event horizon
No wonder he jumped before he was pushed
The conclusion is that he repeatedly recklessly and intentionally misled the house and was in contempt of parliament on multiple occasions
A recommended 90 day or more suspension and the removal of his parliamentary pass
He's already condemned the committee as a 'Kangaroo Court' again this morning and has said their judgement is 'absurd' 'tripe' and 'a pack of lies'. Well... he's certainly recognise those. He then says these are 'trumped up charges' and 'a sad day for democracy' and 'a political assassination'
Looks like he's coming out swinging. Theres going to be some twitchy arses in number 10. He's throwing hand grenades around everywhere in his statement
However much I hate Johnson, and think he deserves to be out on his ear, the unprecedented recommendation of a 90-day suspension seems remarkable, and lays them open to the charge that it's driven by personal animosity. I was expecting something just over the recall limit.
Here's the precedents:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_from_the_UK_parliament
90-day suspension seems remarkable
I think that is a result of him calling it a "kangaroo court".
That completely undermines the parliamentary process. Straight out of the Trump playbook and incredibly dangerous.
It still would of have to of been voted for in the HoC and then he could of ran in his by-election.
I think his performance in front of the committee probably infuriated them as did his public comments afterwards - and parliamentarians like Jenkin find breaking the rules of the house to be serious stuff.
SNP committee member capturing the public mood: 🙂
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1669256546465792000
Does anyone believe for a minute that Johnson is the kind of guy who doesnt notice a party
90-day suspension seems remarkable
So is a serving prime minister conducting themselves in the manner he has
With his carry on since last week, going 'Full Trump', he's dug his own political grave and he's still enthusiastically burrowing away. In fact, it looks like he's asked for a JCB 😂
Anyway... **** him! He's still not getting what he really deserves. He should be behind bars
Just been listening to chunks of johnson's statement beibg read out.
Deluded and trumpian.
90 days - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Tory party civil war!
The delicious part is that Sunak will now be asked if he endorses the findings of the committee. If he does so, that lights the blue-touch paper. Disagreeing with it puts him in an awful position as a serving Prime Minister.
Hence this kind of shilly-shallying - but he can't put it off forever.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1669247160620122113
Oh, and I almost forgot that there will now be a vote in the House so we can all see who's still backing him after this.
Starmer knew was was toast in 2022, it was just a long game to get there -"The ministerial code says that ministers who knowingly mislead the house should resign"
Its good to see that in his response he is doubling down on the lies.
Does this mean we get our quarter of a million back for his legal fees then?
Does this mean we get our quarter of a million back for his legal fees then?
I think it more likely that he claims that the poor quality of the legal representation supplied to him by the public purse is also at fault for the outrageous findings of the committee.
So Johnson is doing exactly what was expected back in March, when he refused to comment on whether he would denounce any of his supporters labelling the enquiry as a kangaroo court. He set the precedent then, and it's all so utterly predictable.
He's a narcissist of the highest order, and has damaged the UK massively for his own petty gain.
You know what? He can keep that money if he is permanently referred to as "Disgraced former Prime Minister, convicted criminal and suspended former MP Boris Johnson".
What I would really like to see now is his honours list revoked because of this. Sadly, will never happen.
although he is following the trump / narcissist playbook here what he fails to understand is he neither has public backing or political backing that Trump has. Yes there are some who still support him but its a tiny fringe.
Popcorn is not enough for this - I may need a choc ice as well 🙂
Yes there are some who still support him but its a tiny fringe.
He's gone full Trump, but this is where he differs enormously from the Orange man-baby... Trump still has supporters
Johnson's support really is now a minuscule hardcore of absolute nutters, which makes it doubley hilarious that he delusionaly believes he's some man of the people, loved by the electorate
The delicious part is that Sunak will now be asked if he endorses the findings of the committee. If he does so, that lights the blue-touch paper. Disagreeing with it puts him in an awful position as a serving Prime Minister.
Hence this kind of shilly-shallying – but he can’t put it off forever.
Indeed martin.
I fear he may well have to sleep in that kevlar stab vest he was wearing. 😉🙃
Go wild: Cornetto
A full Vienneta impaled on a stick
I think Sunaks tactic is likely to be to change the vote to "note" the results of the committee findings rather than "accept" on the basis Johnson is no longer an MP.
I'm not wading back through all the previous pages to check if this has already been posted, so apologies if it has. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-60205873
I have no skin in the game with the SNP or party politics, but Ian Blackford must be smiling ruefully this morning.
Listening to Nicky Campbell on 5Live this morning and they have some truly deluded people phoning in who still believe it to be a stitch-up and that he is innocent of all charges.
Its difficult to now argue with this...
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1669273219080093698?s=20
an i ask, why is he not in jail? will he ever get punishment?
Creaking door - Blackford was just grandstanding and deliberately proving a suspension
Nadine just broke my Irony meter 😂
https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1669279751083630592?s=20
an i ask, why is he not in jail? will he ever get punishment?
No criminal charges that could result in jailtime and its hard to see what there could be unless some actual evidence of corruption that will stand up in court can be found. Remember we have legalised bribing MPs in the UK with "lobbying contracts" and "consultant roles" and " non exec directorships" as ways to channel money to MPs for favours
I think Sunaks tactic is likely to be to change the vote to “note” the results of the committee findings rather than “accept” on the basis Johnson is no longer an MP.
That was supposedly the plan but the pundits are now reckoning its changed given Sunaks references to normal procedure.
Boris really has turned into our own poundshop Trump hasn't he.
Nadine just broke my Irony meter
I see she has wisely limited who can respond.
an i ask, why is he not in jail? will he ever get punishment?
When he's found guilty of a crime, I hope he is.
I wouldn't underestimate the number of nutters who will believe this is a stitch up, but they are just vocal and not very well armed.
The doubling down and undermining the process certainly added to his punishment. He looks increasingly like a whiny child having a tantrum.
For all it's glacial slowness and strange people in steange costumes, Parliament seems to have finally caught up with him.
I'm just glad there is one episode left of the current run of HIGNFY as I imagine Ian Hislop will be enjoying himself immensely.
As many above have said, he was enabled and emboldened by others who should all be held accountable. And I'd love to think he's going to destroy them all on the way out through sheer spite but I imagine this is just what he was caught doing - there will be plenty more he'll be wanting kept quiet. There will be some huffing and puffing but in the end it'll be in all their interests for it to go away as quickly as possible.
I’m not wading back through all the previous pages to check if this has already been posted, so apologies if it has. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-60205873
/blockquote>I've seen that clip before but I did not previously notice Thérèse Coffey sat on the floor next to the Speaker looking like she has just rolled in after a big night out. What a mess.
I bet Johnson will keep on lashing out and dishing any dirt he has - real or imagined. As a narcissist he can never accept he has done any wrong. Its simply impossible for him psychologically. so in his mind he has been unfairly treated by small minded folk out to get him and thus attempting to get revenge is perfectly right and reasonable.
Edit - its classic DARVO
(an acronym for "deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender") is a reaction that perpetrators of wrongdoing, such as sexual offenders may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. Some researchers indicate that it is a common manipulation strategy of psychological abusers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO
Isn't the oath he took to the committee the equivalent of being in court? Sure I read the perjury was potentially an option, and they seem pretty confident he did.
Theres some Tory MP - David Campbell Bannerman - on Five Live at the moment saying this is a 'Stalinist' assault on Democracy
Yes David... Stalin was renowned for withdrawing the parliamentary passes from his enemies as punishment, having gone through a lengthy legal process 🙄
So where will Sunak need to be on Monday when the commons take a democratic vote on whether they agree with the committee or not.
Incidentally Monday is also Johnsons birthday. I think its a far more thoughtful present than a pair of socks.
Incidentally Monday is also Johnsons birthday. I think its a far more thoughtful present than a pair of socks.
Excellent. 🙂
So where will Sunak need to be on Monday when the commons take a democratic vote on whether they agree with the committee or not.
Poor Zelensky. He really hasn't got time to hoover and clean the toilets for a 'surprise visit' right now.
Some of the additional evidence (statements from people working at No10 who witnessed the parties and behaviour) is particularly damning
"Operational notes were sent out from the security team to be mindful of the cameras outside the door, not to out in groups and social distance, it was all pantomime"
I think Sunaks tactic is likely to be to change the vote to “note” the results of the committee findings rather than “accept” on the basis Johnson is no longer an MP.
I reckon his tactic will be to find an urgent reason why he needs to be in Ukraine or the US or something!
I'm sure his helicopter pilot is on "wartime scramble" status, ready to swoop in and collect him
A lot of huffing & puffing from Johnson's 'allies' about abstaining from the vote
Id be surprised if more than just a few frothing loons (especially those in line for a peerage) abstain
anyone that does is condoning both his law breaking, his lying to parliament and his attacks on the parliamentary committee