MegaSack DRAW - This year's winner is user - rgwb
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Dorries resigned in a fit of pique because she thought Sunak had blocked her peerage. No doubt urged on by Johnson to increase the impact of his own resignation. Useful idiot as always. Johnson cannot stand as a Conservative candidate anywhere without the blessing of the party - they have a list of 'approved candidates'. In theory he could even be de-selected in Uxbridge if enough influence was brought to bear on the local committee and members.
Dorries was standing down at the next election anyway, it was just a **** you to Sunak for not letting her into the HoL.
That may be true for the Rees-mogs and Nadines who probably couldn’t place their constituency on a map even if it was ringed by a highlighter but it doesn’t hold for the backbenchers like the MP I mentioned or the wider party members. They have no peerage to gain or any way of benefiting from a party meltdown. They maybe selfish racists with a fat pension but surely they want a successful Tory party? I guess they are just more stupid and easily led than even I give them credit for?
Hmmm. Obviously lacking a crystal ball (not good on a bike saddle anyway) I’m not going to say what will happen, I’m just adding 2&2 and getting a number somewhere between 3 and 5 (rounding errors 🤷🏻♂️).
So Nadine says she’s not running again but won’t resign because of the by-election issue.
Borris gets a report where he would have to run in a by-election with a low majority.
Within the hour Nadine (huge Tory majority) resigns as does Nigel (almost as big majority) either of which seats have a majority 3-4 times the one Boris doesn’t want to fight.
And then the newly knighted JRM starts warning the Tories not to resist Boris seeking re-election or there will be civil war.
I agree, it’s not likely, but it’s not impossible and it’s consistent as a story. Unlike Boris who isn’t consistent - but is unlikely in so many ways.
Best place for Boris right now is cast adrift on a boat, floating around the UK.
igm - I wouldn't be surprised if that was the idea but in practice its not going to happen
Because they are entirely detached from reality
But they still know what prejudices to pander to in the electorate. They aren't as detached as you think - they have utter disdain for us plebs, obviously, but they have enough cynical electioneers who know the correct buttons to press around nationalism, racism, intolerance etc.
But that is a two way street. The electorate was conned into voting against its own interests by a crude racist-nationalist campaign. We can't complain that they treat us like morons when we act like morons.
Thats “sir” haunted Victorian pencil.
Your occasional reminder that just because they give themselves silly titles and gaudy baubles, you do not have to play along.
Read or heard somewhere that if he did just jump in to Mad Nad's safe seat he'd still have to face the music over the whole lying bit so imagine it'll be a while before the turd bobs back to the surface.
he’d still have to face the music over the whole lying bit so imagine it’ll be a while before the turd bobs back to the surface.
He'll reappear fronting the Boris Johnson Show on GBeebies or as the face of some populist campaign - at this stage it could be anything from "rip out the cycle lanes" to "rejoin EU" - although that's likely to be after a lucrative little speaking tour of the States as the guest of honour at some Republican shindigs as he backs whatever abhorrent far right shit they've got winding up for the presidential elections.
Interesting story about his resignation honours list. Looks like half of those he nominated were rejected by the peerages committee. Very unusual
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/11/boris-johnson-peerages-honours-list-row
“Boris to run for president of US”
Theoretically at least that would be possible as he was born in New York State,
have to be resident for a significant number of years as well as US born and a US citizen IIRC
Boris to run for president of US
Not withstanding TJ’s sensible comment above - - -
Borris Johnston - the Nigel Mansell of politics - but less Brummie.
Not withstanding TJ’s sensible comment above – – –
Bookmarked for future use 🙂
Your occasional reminder that just because they give themselves silly titles and gaudy baubles, you do not have to play along.
Your occasional reminder mentioning something isnt playing along. It helps point out the stupidity of it.
I guess we are lucky its just a bauble and not a seat in the lords to make decisions.
Speaking of which Houchen is a somewhat odd choice to get approval considering the current questions.
Theoretically at least that would be possible as he was born in New York State,
He did give up citizenship though since they kept sending him tax bills.
So would keep the lawyers amused as to whether if he did regain citizenship that would count as natural born citizen still or not.
I reckon he'll end up as editor of the Daily Telegraph.
Does this mean Brexit is officially dead now?
These people haven’t the remotest idea what it’s like to deal with all the recent increases in mortgage payments, let alone what it’s like to live on Universal Credit and be dependent on food banks to eat
This is all just a game to them
There’s an article on travelling with Rishi on the U.K. plane.
They don’t even travel like normal people, flying privately is so different to what we now have to put up with.
I don’t think they actually use anything they as a government are supposedly responsible for.
All the things they have screwed up are all things they don’t use or the cost makes no difference.
Does this mean Brexit is officially dead now?
It’s just sleeping.
Gotta find and elect a government with a political desire to get back in.
Does this mean Brexit is officially dead now?
Cancers don't just give up.
Does this mean Brexit is officially dead now?
Quite an interesting question, was/is Brexit intrinsically linked to Bozza? Or was it merely the runaway political freight train he lashed his career to?
I'd contend that we're stuck with Brexit despite Boris leaving the commons. Both as a tiresome political topic for various figures to try and convince the hard of thinking to vote their way, and the practical reality of its implementation (or lack thereof). Brexit will never be 'done', it is our national burden forevermore...
These people haven’t the remotest idea what it’s like to deal with all the recent increases in mortgage payments, let alone what it’s like to live on Universal Credit and be dependent on food banks to eat
Disagree.
This doesn't apply to all of them, in fact a goodly number are just ordinary working folk in a middle-income paying job that can disappear on a whim - but you wouldn't think that with how they act. And after the next election there'll be a fair number of them signing on, just like the rest of us would when we've lost our job and haven't another lined up.
I'm not feeling sorry for them, just pointing out reality.
We already know how this will go. Farage has already been wanging on for years that 'Brexit has been Betrayed', Boris has already flagged up that he plans to bang the same drum.
You'd think that'd be a step too far for the man who negotiated the withdrawal agreement then claimed to have 'Got Brexit Done' , but that would be massively underestimating both how brazen he is and also how stupid the average ERG Boris-supporting backbencher is
Gove on Radio 4 just now. Should be on Fighting Talk on Radio 5.
Brexit will never be ‘done’, it is our national burden forevermore
Yep anything we do to diverge from the eu will will trigger stuff against us and anyway we haven’t implemented the import checks fully.
It’s not a binary thing more of an ongoing ordeal that they won’t really want to talk about.
Gove on Radio 4 just now. Should be on Fighting Talk on Radio 5.
He'd get full points for the 'defending the indefensible' round
Particularly that its nothing to do with Good 'ol Boris that the members of the parliamentary standards committee having now received death threats and have all got additional security after Johnsons 'Kangaroo Court' rant.
All just another normal day in post-Brexit-Toryland
That Gove interview has put me in a foul mood. Arguing both sides against the middle, one minute arguing that you must follow precedent, arguing the opposite 30 seconds later when it suits him - and not being properly interviewed anyway. Slippery little shit.
I think he was actually ideological about being Education Minister under Cameron, but when he was exposed as a bit of a crank and a total stroker as a result, he gave up all commitment to anything and just went fully for his own personal advancement. An arch cynic who I would really like to see in a dock alongside Johnson and Cummings charged with treason one day.
Brexit dead?
Brexit is the zombified MacGuffin of the right wing.
The Sunlit Uplands that can never be reached because Traitors.
The Opportunities that were Betrayed by The Wokerati Liberal Bicycle Riding Communist Lentil Eaters Remoaners.
Every time, somehow, it will fail to be The-Brexit-That-Was-Promised, because we, the unbelievers, Didn't Believe Hard Enough.
A convenient catch all banner for right wing politicians to wave at the hard of thinking.
Brexit is the zombified MacGuffin of the right wing.
The Sunlit Uplands that can never be reached because Traitors.
The Opportunities that were Betrayed by The Wokerati Liberal Bicycle Riding Communist Lentil Eaters Remoaners.
Every time, somehow, it will fail to be The-Brexit-That-Was-Promised, because we, the unbelievers, Didn’t Believe Hard Enough.
A convenient catch all banner for right wing politicians to wave at the hard of thinking.
Nailed it.
This doesn’t apply to all of them, in fact a goodly number are just ordinary working folk in a middle-income paying job that can disappear on a whim – but you wouldn’t think that with how they act. And after the next election there’ll be a fair number of them signing on, just like the rest of us would when we’ve lost our job and haven’t another lined up.
I’m not feeling sorry for them, just pointing out reality.
Im not sure many ex-MPs end up signing on. They get a sizeable payment (a years salary?) if they don’t get re-elected - I think many of us would find that security reassuring! They either have previous careers to return to, Or they are now very well networked people with an understanding of the working of Whitehall - that makes them ideal for lobbying, non-exec director roles, charity advocacy positions etc. on top of which they have a pension scheme that is VERY favourable, and means that many of those who get unseated don’t have to wait that long before we are funding them again!
I don’t have a better option because I don’t want politician s to be trust fund kids or funded by back door bribes but I’m fairly confident that serving MPs are not directly feeling the pinch quite like ordinary people (and if you think they are - perhaps you are comparing them to yourself and you are not ordinary people!).
Nailed it.
Standing on the shoulder of giants.
Many others far cleverer than I have pointed out, it means whatever anyone wants it to mean, it means everything and nothing, at the same time, a perfect doublethink.
Ignorance is Strength, War is Peace.
I Love The Brexit.
Im not sure many ex-MPs end up signing on.
A lot seem to struggle.
There was this more recent report although its high level.
The well paid jobs are a minority and mostly reserved for those who spent more time planning their future than serving the country and their constituents.
I do find the claim about "losing the job on a whim" by intheborders odd though. Pretty much all of us can lose our job on a whim and by someone elses poor decision making. Most of us dont have the advantage of a five year contract though (outside of special cases).
in fact a goodly number are just ordinary working folk in a middle-income paying job that can disappear on a whim
Oh god not this one again. MPs are highly paid with huge subsidies and very generous expenses £86000 is not "middle income" they also get enormous severnce benefits
Max Hastings getting stuck into him again
https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1668010489677242370?s=20
Meanwhile, the word doing the rounds is that his former parliamentary assistant Charlotte Owen, 29, who he's made a life peer in his honours list is actually one of his many illegitimate offspring
Well, its either that or the rather more obvious reason that springs immediately to mind
The problem I have with Hastings and co is they were more than happy to encourage his behaviour when it suited them.
It was under Hastings that Johnson spread lies about the EU as it was easier than doing his job properly.
I know what you mean, but to be fair to Hastings he did sack him for lying and has been happy to tell anyone who'll listen that he's a lying charlatan ever since.
In the terrifyingly long list of Boris enablers and apologists, he's nowhere near the top of the list
As for the other issue...
https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1668218900675166211?s=20
Allegra Mostyn-Owen was apparently Boris' first wife 5 September 1987 - 26 April 1993...
So it looks like daddy was denied a peerage, but daughter accepted.
Just for a moment,let us put to one side,all his incompetence,lying,shagging,more lying,work avoidance and turning high office into a (bad)circus performance .
What do we really think is going to happen to him?
Run away to a real circus.
Prison
Poverty and destitution.
Deportation to America.
His granny was French, so he could be sent to live with his dad in France.
or
Reprogrammed.
Ben Jennings
I know what you mean, but to be fair to Hastings he did sack him for lying
Nope. He hired him after Johnson was sacked from the Times for being a lying turd (specifically making up some quotes and then lying about it). He was happy with the lying turd as the brussels correspondence despite numerous reports of him simply making shit up.
Many of the lies about EU laws came from this period with Johnson lying through his teeth and Hastings allowing it since a)it helped undermine the perception of the EU in the UK and b)it was apparently considered good entertainment.
Whilst he isnt at the top of the list of enablers he deserves special credit for being one of the earlier ones who ensured Johnson knew his actions wouldnt have consequences.
Oh god not this one again. MPs are highly paid with huge subsidies and very generous expenses £86000 is not “middle income” they also get enormous severnce benefits
Oh god not this one again.
They're only "highly paid" if you're poorly paid - many (tens of thousands at least) in the NHS for example are on equivalent packages.
Expenses are to cover spending you own money on allowable items - I suspect you've never done a job that required this. I have, my monthly expenses were often more than my monthly gross salary.
You're talking of approximately 5% of earners, and nearer 10% if you include all income (earned & unearned), so there's millions of us.
What do we really think is going to happen to him?
The next year or so is going to be raking in the cash doing speeches. At the next election he might try to get parachuted into a safe seat at the last minute so that if, as looks to be the case, the tories get hammered he can remerge as the future king.
Almost certainly going to be paid a shitload as a newspaper pundit as well. That 250k from the telegraph will be chickenfeed for him now.
Oh and obviously write his autobiography explaining why everything good was him and everything bad was someone else.
He might even finish his Shakespeare book.
So sadly, in summary, he will continue to rake in the cash and not face any real repercussions for screwing the country.
I hope he just ****s off. I no longer care if he is even held to account, I just want him to go away and never be heard of again
As for the rich / poor thing. Please don't start that again.
You’re talking of approximately 5% of earners, and nearer 10% if you include all income (earned & unearned),
so not middle earners then but the top few % at nearly 3x average Point made.
sorry for doing this again but it really gets my goat when folk claim the richest few % in our society are "middle earners"! I won't answer on it again
MP's get over twice the mean or median UK salaries, so they are not "only “highly paid” if you’re poorly paid " they are highly paid if you are a "middle income" earner.
Rats in a sack
I do think its nicely fitting that all the people who foisted the fly-tipped sofa onto the rest of us are now going to be at the receiving end as he lobs hand grenades everywhere and takes everyone down with him.
We all knew how this would play out, but they all went ahead and did it anyway. I bet there's loads of senior Tories who are absolutely bricking it about what a scorned Boris, petulant man-baby that he is, is going to do next
We all knew how this would play out, but they all went ahead and did it anyway.
See also Brexit.
The schadenfreude is magnificent, but it cannot in any way come close to making up for the anger at all the bad stuff that was pointed out in advance coming to fruition now.
The Sunlit Uplands that can never be reached because Traitors.
It's stab-in-the-back, post-colonial revanchism for sure. You thought the Rhodesians, Corbynites or Putinites were bitter about their "betrayals"? Let's see what the next decade of increasingly bonkers Tories brings.
New job announced
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/three-hundreds-of-chiltern
(not really - it's an anachronism but I do like these weird procedural elements)
Boris probably thinks it is a paying gig!!!
well Chequers is in the Chilterns , so I supposed he might have been keeping his hand in ..................
Chequers is in the Chilterns , so I supposed he might have been keeping his hand in ………
From Wiki
As the area was wild and notorious for outlaws, a steward and bailiff was appointed directly by the Crown (thus as a royal bailiwick it was a legal office answerable to the reigning monarch) to maintain law and order.
Is it irony that (partly, at least) because of his lawbreaking in the Chiltern Hundreds, he loses his job, but can't resign so instead becomes the Crown servant particularly appointed to keep law and order in the Chiltern 100's.
At the next election he might try to get parachuted into a safe seat at the last minute
Only if they let him. Plus the pay isn't enough for Boris to get out of bed let alone do anything dramatic like turn up for votes (for other people's problems?) I think since leaving office he's bothered to vote 4 times? Much easier and better to snipe from a column. It's what he's "good" at, the Telegraph will pay him handsomely - wasn't he on a reported £250K? last time he worked there, and it's easy work, which suits as he's a lazy arse.
And along it comes, with crashing inevitability…
https://twitter.com/gbnews/status/1668498438646890497?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
The fly-tipped sofa and the nicotine-stained man-frog are apparently in talks to set up their own party.
But of course they are
Then we’d have two parties of right-wing headbangers competing with each other for the flag-shagging vote
Quite a prospect
Pretty much inevitable I would say. Johnson wants to be a big fish and thats one way to get it. Good for the country as splitting the right wing vote will help labour in the same way as the SDP helped the tories
Good for the country as splitting the right wing vote will help labour in the same way as the SDP helped the tories
Not so good for the brown skinned chap walking alone past a 'Farage' pub who gets verbally or physically abused due to the further legitimisation of populist rightwing politics, though.
I think if they joined together they would remain a noisy political irrelevance, Brexit was the only reason Farage seemed to do well. A lot of Johnson supporters are dyed in the wool Torys, as much as they love Johnson (and after hearing 2 of them on the radio yesterday you do wonder why they are allowed out in public unescorted) they are Torys first, not kippers or whatever party they dream up. I think Boris will get bored quickly, fall out with the frog, 2 big egos in a small party wont be good, and unless theres someone with money paying for it all will need to find a decent source of income.
Poor Nadine. She was all set to become a peer courtesy of Boris but "sinister forces" have conspired to stop that.
That'd be the same Nadine Dorries who campaigned to leave the EU to get away from unelected bureaucrats now having a meltdown (exclusively in the Daily Mail obviously) on not being made an unelected bureaucrat in the House of Lords...
Johnson wants to be a big fish and thats one way to get it.
He also wants to be seen as a winner. I cant see him joining one of those parties since, as with the SDP and Change UK, it wouldnt get anywhere fast (outside of changing from fptp).
So I can see him possibly going for a seat in the tories around the next election but even there he might prefer to just hint rather than do.
The fly-tipped sofa and the nicotine-stained man-frog are apparently in talks to set up their own party.
But of course they are
Then we’d have two parties of right-wing headbangers competing with each other for the flag-shagging vote
Quite a prospect
Whenever i see or hear anything on GBNews i know that it's usually the other way around, if something happens, whatever LBC and GBN say, the truth is somewhere in the middle, although closer to LBC these days as GBN seems to be a hospice for those who can't get seen anywhere else, like Farage, Jim Davidson and so on, i don't know what's scarier, those who are part of this channel, or the fact there's an audience for them!
The fly-tipped sofa and the nicotine-stained man-frog are apparently in talks to set up their own party.
But of course they are
Then we’d have two parties of right-wing headbangers competing with each other for the flag-shagging vote
Quite a prospect
I bet Cameron hadn't banked on this when he enabled brexit.
I bet Cameron hadn’t banked on this when he enabled brexit.
He banked on <50% of the population being idiots. He lost.
What came after was never going to be his concern either way. The arrogant swine.
Then we’d have two parties of right-wing headbangers competing with each other for the flag-shagging vote
Quite a prospect
Our two party system is far from ideal. I'd quite like to see more main parties. Maybe four. A right wing party, that hopefully doesn't see too many votes, but at the least allows for a more centre/right less headbanger-y conservative party. Then a centre/left and a proper socialist. They will then need the support of another party to get stuff done so less driving thorough their own agendas and more negotiation. It also might give more power to smaller parties like localised ones and the greens giving more people a say
Theres a lot been said about the *, but I'm just listening to the opening submissions of the covid inquiry and its one person after another, after another, telling their stories of loved ones dying alone, often in care homes having been discharged there straight from hospitals with Covid
And that bastard, who couldn't be arsed attending COBRA meetings at the start, didn't take it seriously and who prevaricated, blustered and delayed all the way through, when not having a piss up, is presently more bothered about his mates getting baubles than he ever has been about these people.
My father-in-law nearly died and was in hospital for months in a medically induced coma and my wife and her mum couldn't even go and see him
Listening to this just makes me so *ing angry. He needs to be held accountable, for once in his miserable life, and not just stroll away like he seems to think he can as he always has done in the past
I'm not advocating, but I worry that if these things are allowed to slip by without those in power being held accountable for what they did - whatever that means - then someone somewhere some time will decide to exact their own version.
To my eye some things were laziness and / or incompetence and the punishment for that should be that everyone knows it and keeps in mind if they ever come to be up for election again. Some was just bent - PPE deals to mates, etc., and should face criminal charges for misuse of public money, or fraud, or whatever. But there has to be sanction
To my eye some things were laziness and / or incompetence and the punishment for that should be that everyone knows it and keeps in mind if they ever come to be up for election again. Some was just bent – PPE deals to mates, etc., and should face criminal charges for misuse of public money, or fraud, or whatever. But there has to be sanction
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Agree with both points above. My father in law was in hospital with no visitors for a couple of months following an op. Family was only allowed in once he entered end of life care. Whether the isolation contributed to his decline is an answer we will never know.
Sadly, I think that Johnson, Hancock, and the rest of the shower of shit will walk away from this with little to no consequence or sanction. It's the way our system works.
I will never forgive them.
A lot of Johnson supporters are dyed in the wool Torys
Only partially correct, Johnson attracted a lot of the red wall voters who are now reverting back to Labour. However, I suspect that if Johnson were to announce a new party and he would be standing for leadership and the possibility to be prime minister they would jump back in a heartbeat.
if Johnson were to announce a new party and he would be standing for leadership and the possibility to be prime minister they would jump back in a heartbeat.
the trouble with this is that even if he had a great deal of support in the populace, translating that into gaining enough seats for a brand new party would be difficult
Farage and Johnson together in the same party? That much incompetence, hubris, and failure together in one place would be a joy to watch.
Farage and Johnson together in the same party? That much incompetence, hubris, and failure together in one place would be a joy to watch.
Papered over with some crude racism and nationalist rhetoric...
No problem.
Poor Nadine. She was all set to become a peer courtesy of Boris but “sinister forces” have conspired to stop that.
That depends on what she did for BJ to earn the promise.
Poor Nadine. She was all set to become a peer courtesy of Boris but “sinister forces” have conspired to stop that.
Oddly she doesnt seem to have formally resigned yet. Johnson did last night but she is still in place.
Only the stupidest (oh wait....) people woudn't see BoJo and Farage forming a party as anything other than a cynical platform for garnering support from the knuckle draggers. Farage is complaining that Brexit isn't working, yet it was Bojo that 'got it done'.
its one person after another, after another, telling their stories of loved ones dying alone, often in care homes having been discharged there straight from hospitals with Covid
Yes, absolutely this. Social distancing and lockdowns caused huge harm to families, and to kids who were kept out of school, and to normal working people. I am sure that they also prevented great harm - I am not antivax and am sure well-intentionwd and incompetent mistakes were made there as everywhere else in life.
HOWEVER the fact that Johnson and his cabal didn't believe in the effectiveness of the restrictions in the first place, or believed in them but just didn't think they should have to comply, is absolutely sickening.