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Lol at the typo.
Thanks Binners. Time had almost purged that Dougie Wallace photo essay from my mind.
Thanks Binners. Time had almost purged that Dougie Wallace photo essay from my mind.
I’d never seen it, now where is this fabled place,looks fun 🙂
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Binners - where is this Northern Riviera?
A place to be avoided.
Anyway issues with the stag do ‘culture’ not the location.
My m8’s family make him go to center parcs which he refers to as posh butlins,he’d rather go to butlins and not pay the posh premium:-)
Anyway your leaders a bullingdon boy he’d love to get hammered in Blackpool or butlins.
A great analysis of the present Tory party situation by Andrew Rawnsley in this mornings Observer.
Basically, Boris has successfully stuffed the senior ranks of the party with so many useless mediocrities that they’re all too spineless to do anything about him, and even if they did have the will, they couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone a successful leadership campaign
Boris Johnson’s spineless cabinet of mediocrities are too feeble to wield the dagger
What a state to end up in as a country? The worst PM in history, by a country mile, who’s there because those around him are so crap that they can’t get rid of him
The only redeeming feature for us poor mugs is that though he regards the title of PM as his birthright, he has absolutely zero interest in actually doing the job
The worst PM in history, by a country mile
So not just worse than Thatcher but worse than any other PM in history, by a country mile.
I'm getting excited by the thought of Liz Truss becoming PM now. Or whatever other thatcherite right-winger they decide to choose.
Edit: Although apparently voters think that the worse PM in history, by a country mile, makes a better PM than the current Labour leader would. So might have to wait a while 😟
I stuck a tenner on the Poundshop Fatcha being the next Tory leader about six months ago. It’s got that air of inevitability about it.
The senile old racists in Eastbourne that constitute the Tory membership literally wet themselves when they see her driving around in tanks and doing her best Iron Lady impressions
A shoe in.
I imagine her Premiership will finally achieve what Boris has longed for all his life, by making him look like Winston Churchill in comparison. The woman is so dense, light bends around her
Edit: Although apparently voters think that the worse PM in history, by a country mile, makes a better PM than the current Labour leader would. So might have to wait a while 😟
It's not a good look for Starmzy. Imagine the bar being that low.
The woman is so dense, light bends around her
🤣
I love that Government is always so far behind the times, finally recognising that Netflix exists and is apparently something to aspire to
The news quiz on Friday r4 covered this brilliantly. eg: if the NHS runs on netflix lines, will it be "if you enjoyed that heart bypass why not try a hip replacement?" And if you don't get off the table quickly enough at the end of the operation then they start another for you
Yep Netflix lines, health subscription service, with a wait time depending on whether you took the HD version or not.
It’s a myth that Britain doesn’t have a revolutionary past: the Civil War, Chartism, General Strike
Barons's wars, glorious revolution, peasant's revolt..?
I stuck a tenner on the Poundshop Fatcha being the next Tory leader about six months ago.
I imagine her Premiership will finally achieve what Boris has longed for all his life, by making him look like Winston Churchill in comparison.
So you feel that the worse PM in history, by a country mile, will soon be replaced by someone who will make him look like the PM that many consider to be the greatest ever.
Well as a harbinger of relentless doom and gloom and apocalyptic prophecies perhaps you should revisit that appropriate scene in you favourite movie binners and listen very carefully to the lyrics:
Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best
And
Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the light side of life
If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle, that's the thing
And
Always look on the bright side of life
Come on
Always look on the right side of life
It’s a myth that Britain doesn’t have a revolutionary past: the Civil War, Chartism, General Strike
TBH I didn’t realise the suffragettes were actually doing a little bombing and arson,
So you feel that the worse PM in history, by a country mile, will soon be replaced by someone who will make him look like the PM that many consider to be the greatest ever.
We've been going down this route for years. Cameron - not the worst but pretty poor - oh look, now we've got Theresa May who is really bad, surely things can't get worse?
Oh, yes they can here's Boris.
I mean, it really is the thin end of the wedge when you look back at Theresa May and think "you know what, maybe she wasn't that awful after all..."
And any of the current list of possibles will all be even worse than Dear Boris. Liz Truss, Nadine Dorries... We're truly royally screwed.
What a state to end up in as a country? The worst PM in history, by a country mile, who’s there because those around him are so crap that they can’t get rid of him
Caught up with our old pre-Covid friendship group last night for a BBQ, and this was the universally accepted description
And any of the current list of possibles will all be even worse than Dear Boris. Liz Truss, Nadine Dorries…
At last a bit of good news....... things could be a lot worse.
We should all be celebrating that despite attempts to replace him Johnson is still PM.
That's really cheered me up and thanks for reminding me
Copying the US again- Trump made GW look like an intellectual heavyweight
The interview with Chris Patten is worth a read in todays Observer. He’s pretty scathing about Boris and his useless cabal of ‘Ideologue's and nutjobs’
The former Conservative party chairman and current rebellious Tory peer was dismayed to see the “Johnson cult still hanging on”. He described the government as “shameful and seedy”. “The most depressing thing is I’ve been watching interviews with ministers this evening,” he said, “and the titles alone are so depressing. Jacob Rees-Mogg, minister for Brexit opportunities. If ever there as a contradiction in terms it is that. And nobody should ever see the words ‘Nadine Dorries’ and ‘culture secretary’ in the same sentence.”
“What I should say,” he said, “is that we don’t have a Conservative government at all, but an English nationalist party which is populist, but – fatally – without being popular.”
you can’t help but reflect on an essential loss of rigour in Britain’s dealings with the world; contrast the likes of Douglas Hurd and Malcolm Ri****d as foreign secretaries with the incumbent, Liz Truss.
OK now we are arguing about the arguing
No we’re not.
Well you should be. People like you are part of the problem because…..reasons….
So now you're arguing about arguing about arguing ?
which is populist, but – fatally – without being popular.
If only that were actually true. The Tories are currently polling about 33-34% which isn't too bad for any UK ruling party midterm.
And when coupled with the latest poll which finds that more people believe Johnson makes a better prime minister than Keir Starmer would suggests that evidence of lack of popularity is rather thin on the ground.
Obviously things might change if Johnson does something stupid. Or Starmer suddenly realises that "not being a member of the Tory Party" isn't good enough.
Everything coming off the tory bench is a whiff of an idea with no substance to try and keep Boris in power and/or a dead cat.
With bonus points if it anti-net-zero and sticking it to climate change alarmists. Pretty clear what kind of ‘red meat’ they think will help Johnson shore up his support, even if it alarms most of rest of the population. Wonder what Carrie thinks of it all…?
The Tories are currently polling about 33-34% which isn’t too bad
Who did the research? Anything from you.gov should be treated with a shovel full of salt as they're a Tory PR organisation not a polling company.
Who did the research?
On who would make the best PM? Opinium.
It’s reasonable to accept that Johnson has engineered a slight bump in opinion of him, the government have packed out front page headlines with “delivery” messages… (mostly with a announcements about things they haven’t and probably won’t deliver on, but hey). Many people are “moving on”, and buying the “at least he gets things done, even when lawyers, backbench MPs, the EU, the establishment… try and stand in the way”. What he’s getting down is, and will, but negatively effecting their own lives… but hey… he’s still the best person to keep digging the UK a deeper hole.
Who did the research?
In this case me. All the national poll results are listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
Click on "national poll results". YouGov only represents a very small minority of the national polls.
It's now at 342 pages of telling me what I already knew. Blotus is crap along with his self serving scum party. If I may say, saying Keir is worse or not as mouthy as Blotus is a reason if any to vote for him. I'd rather see an intelligent measured person than a slogan based populist that has failed to deliver anything. Personally I'd vote anyone to get these liars out...
JeZ
I feel that Johnson's candidacy for worst PM is based on quite different criteria to what puts other candidates in with a chance at the title. Many of the others in a chance for the title were awful because they effectively carried out their awful agenda. Johnson is awful because he's a mendacious populist who despite his majority seems disinterested in actually doing much other than remaining in position, apparently mistaking announcing policies for achieving them.
Thatcher had dangerous goals but could do the job, Johnson seems to have few goals beyond retaining the job (and whatever things his advisors tell him will go down well with the public, for as long as they generate positive press) but does not seem to be actually any good at doing the job itself.
Huh, I say down to type more or less exactly what ChrisL just said. Johnson's legacy, other than "getting brexit done" will be mostly the fact that we don't have a functioning government. The lost years on energy policy alone will be a massive blow- Cameron/Osborne were bad on this but Johnson's government is doing essentially nothing.
Well, nothing that we can see anyway. My guess is they're all beavering away behind the scenes making sure that their own nests are fully stocked for when the crap inevitably starts flying around. There's been lots of chipping away at rights for us lot going on that will only really come to light when we have a change of government, the skeletons in the closet from this lot are going to be measured in very high numbers.
This government has been implementing an agenda, in the background without scrutiny as everyone looks at the clowns antics. The opposition need to be focussing on the policies, and tying them into the governments character as an additional indication of why the policies are failing the majority of people.
There’s been lots of chipping away at rights for us lot going on that will only really come to light when we have a change of government, the skeletons in the closet from this lot are going to be measured in very high numbers.
Yep, there's been almost nothing positive at all.
The Government has basically been crippled since the Brexit vote - that paralysed "oh shit, Leave won!" feeling that dragged on and on while everyone tried to rationalise it and work out exactly what "Brexit" was since no-one had bothered to calculate that beforehand. Covid certainly had a bit to do with it although more down to the catastrophically shit response from a still-paralysed Government in general.
A lot of positive announcement stuff which is then quietly rolled back or ignored. The whole "levelling up" thing, well absolutely nothing has come of that. HS2 has been progressively pared back on the quiet, NPR is basically no more, the 40 hospitals was never going to happen anyway... A few half-arsed policies. Nothing actually delivered other than stripping away more rights, it's not far off outright fascism.
And their sole issue now seems to be staying in power as long as possible, no matter the damage to the country.
I get the impression that Boris thinks of writing policy in the same way as writing his Telegraph column.
Rattle a few paragraphs together after a long lunch, chuck it out there, hope it grabs a few headlines and that’s that. Job jobbed!
It wouldn’t ever cross his mind that there was more required than that. Maybe a photo op in a hi-viz jacket if he’s really making an effort, but that’s your lot
I’d say that we should be thankful he’s so bloody lazy, but unfortunately the years of aimless drifting with a yawning vortex where the government is meant to be is going to have serious long term implications
Johnson’s legacy, other than “getting brexit done”
Even in parentheses, this seems like a generous assessment.
It wouldn’t ever cross his mind that there was more required than that. Maybe a photo op in a hi-viz jacket if he’s really making an effort, but that’s your lot
I do genuinely wonder what he actually does all day?!
I mean, the impression from Partygate is basically that he spends most of the time drinking, I assume he's done an awful lot of shagging around along the way as well... Not a lot else from the looks of things.
If that was a benefits claimant doing that, the papers would be up in arms about the lazy bastards sitting around being given taxpayers money but because it's the Prime Minister, he seems to get a free run at it. 🙄
He’s just been on the news making the following statement:
“The Storemont Assembly cannot meet because of the Northern Ireland Protocol”
That’s certainly an ‘interesting’ interpretation of the absolute shambles of the Brexit deal that he himself negotiated, signed and then celebrated
The DUP are going to hold out ‘till another election is called. They’re hoping that their poor performance last time can be reversed when people see how diligently they “stand up” for NI, and get the UK government to not only change its own laws, but break international law. It’s a big bet… the current arrangements mean that it is NI companies that are bucking the trend of faltering exports for post Brexit UK… not only are they increasing exports to RoW, but also to the EU, all without falling sales to the rUK. Insisting that Boris Johnson breaks NI as much as he has broken GB, so that we can all go down together, might not be the winning ticket they think it is.
That’s certainly an ‘interesting’ interpretation of the absolute shambles of the Brexit
Thats an impressively bad spelling of Democratic Unionist Party.
Sounds like he’d fit right in with the current conservative cabinet once Richie Rich gets kicked out the door.
Does anyone else find it a bit weird that nobody knows how many children this guy has? Isn't that a little opaque for someone in the highest public office?
Does anyone else find it a bit weird that nobody knows how many children this guy has? Isn’t that a little opaque for someone in the highest public office?
The number doesn't bother me.
The kids aren't responsible for who their parents are. Quite rightly, the British press tends to respect kids right to privacy and a normal life.
I would hate to be in a society where children become fair game in an increasingly nasty social media world.
Edit - the number of kids is the dead cat to distract us from the fact that their father is a lying cheating scum bag. They are the symptoms not the cause. Focus, people!
The number doesn’t bother me, the opacity does. It’s that and the variety of partners that contributes to his character.
Does anyone else find it a bit weird that nobody knows how many children this guy has?
The answer is N+1
Iirc if one keeps one’s children out of the public eye the UK press can’t, legally, claim any public interest in photographing them or intrusive reporting. In this case he probably can’t remember how many he has though.
What’s more worrying is the way in which he’s said to have dealt with his unknown number of illegitimate children.
He gets his lawyer to negotiate a financial settlement with the now-pregnant ex-mistress, as to how much their upbringing will cost him, then washes his hands of them. Continuing his Bullingdon tradition of sending someone else, armed with a cheque book to sort out his mess.
He’s apparently never seen any of them and has no involvement in their upbringing beyond a financial transaction. The man is a sociopath and just an absolutely vile human being
No wonder he’s skint. All those NDA’s must be costing a fortune
I can't help thinking that the lying scumbag has gotten away with it again. Those of us that aren't celebrating the latest with a "just move on" mantra are so fatigued by this **** that it's just washing over and there appears to be nothing that can be done or anyone to do it.
We need some grownups to stage a coup.
Does anyone else find it a bit weird that nobody knows how many children this guy has?
At least five of which were with women who weren't at the time, his wife or partner I think. I mean there's a Oscar Wilde mis-quote in there. There's something a wee bit sociopathic in the way he just repeating the same behaviour over and over again.
He’s apparently never seen any of them and has no involvement in their upbringing beyond a financial transaction.
This isn't true for his older (now adult) children.
Mind you, that contact has probably resulted in them coming to the conclusion that...
The man is a sociopath and just an absolutely vile human being
Or... much more succinctly (in the case of his eldest daughter)... "is a selfish bastard".
As a catholic myself, who’s managed to keep my number of offspring down to two, I have to admire his dedication to the papal doctrine on contraception, and in contrast to his dealings with the EU, he’s clearly never felt the urge to withdraw 😂
I can’t help thinking that the lying scumbag has gotten away with it again. Those of us that aren’t celebrating the latest with a “just move on” mantra are so fatigued by this **** that it’s just washing over and there appears to be nothing that can be done or anyone to do it.
Mission accomplished then.
Didn't he once say about a tactic of releasing / doing more and more stupid things so we just get fed up of hearing about it and moving onto the next ?
Funny how the roght wing media have been laying off attacking some of their favourite targets in recent years. Namely, single mothers and absentee fathers....
binners
Full MemberHe’s apparently never seen any of them and has no involvement in their upbringing beyond a financial transaction. The man is a sociopath and just an absolutely vile human being
High point of this for me was when he was pretending to be dead from covid and said that his new child had given him the strength to keep going. Not the 14 other children, they don't count, just the most recent one.
Tory rags -"shock economic downturn."
Oh FFS. My dog knew there was a recession coming. Beyond idiots.
And if neither party is pushing big state then it gets worse from here on in.
You support the economy through the pandemic, and it limps through and then you cut it off. What do you think is going to happen?
Brexit is going to be a leaving party for the rest of the collapse.
Beyond idiots.
No, they’re not idiots, but the claims they make are beyond idiotic. They knew this was coming. To admit it was predicated would lead people into discussing how it could have been avoided, or at least better mitigated… and then everything points to Boris Johnson and his team. Paint it as something that has come as a surprise, and people might not notice that the mess Johnson claims that he and his team are best placed to sort out was actually of their own making.
I was just wondering why I never meet any of these short sighted easily impressed women, then a picture of mad nad came into my mind, and I decided that celibacy was the life for me.
I’d imagine it’s mainly transactional.
That American lass he boffed, who at least got lots of taxpayers money out of him for the ‘pleasure’ then sold her story to the tabloids - something else I can’t imagine any other prime minister getting away with - described the experience as ‘like having a wardrobe fall on top of you’
You forgot to mention the key…
That’s certainly an ‘interesting’ interpretation of the absolute shambles of the Brexit deal that he himself negotiated, signed and then celebrated
The Express calls it 'The hated deal' and always tries to blame the EU for it.
‘like having a wardrobe fall on top of you’
With the key still in the lock.
Sorry for that visual everyone 😆
She had a secret too, until she sold it to the papers. 😉
~29 years old now that tune! 😮
Any truth to the rumour that, in return for the 7 poor sods we're sending to Rwanda, Rwanda is sending 58 to us? 😀
Once you start looking at his personal life it really is a disaster. His oldest child with his second wife was conceived while he was still married to his first, he had 3 more children with his second wife and cheated on her over 25 years with at least 5 other women that we know of, one of whom is his current wife. He may have seeing both Symonds and Accuri at the same time while married to his second wife, while she was undergoing treatment for cervical cancer. i wonder what makes his third wife think that this behaviour will or indeed has stopped?
That is pathological behaviour
The wardrobe analogy was originally pertaining to fatty Soames, I'm sure Johnson would relish the Churchillian connection.
i wonder what makes his third wife think that this behaviour will or indeed has stopped?
They seem perfectly suited for each other. I’m sure she cynically ‘priced in’ what being married to Boris would involve. A large divorce settlement once he’s out of number ten and charging 100 grand a pop for speeches to assembled corporate Masters of the Universe (estimated earnings potential 5 million a year)
Wasn’t she sacked from her last job for a massive expenses fraud and if rumours are to be believed then baby number 2 isn’t his anyway as she’s been shagging Zac Goldsmith
A match made in heaven. Seems like they deserve each other
Wasn’t she sacked from her last job for a massive expenses fraud and if rumours are to be believed then baby number 2 isn’t his anyway as she’s been shagging Zac Goldsmith
Where do you read this stuff?
Where do you read this stuff?
It’s all out there in the public domain.
I’ve just done a quick Google and the top link that came up was the Daily Mail.
She was sacked as the Tory Party director of comms. Imagine your antics being bent enough to be sacked by the Tory Party? Quite some achievement
I don’t think the morning star covered it 😉
So the answer is ideally the Daily Mail. Thanks, I was intrigued to learn where people go to find out about the sexual activities of Tory spouses.
And no, I don't believe that the Morning Star covers such stories.
Oh come on, comrade. Does the Morning Star not have a ‘Sidebar of Shame’?
I had to Google sidebar of shame. No like me the Morning Star isn't interested in people's private and sexual lives, even Tories. Unless it involves illegal activities of course.
Last time I looked, fraud was illegal
Shagging Zac Goldsmith is fraud?
To avoid having to go to the Daily Mail website, here's the story in the Mirror...
https://twitter.com/LeftGrassroots/status/1148947474452795392?s=20&t=Elq3ovqmXtcQyvs8r-dp5A
Tell you what comrade… if you want me to come back to the Keir Starmer thread so you can take issue with everything I say and argue with me, you just have to ask nicely
Failing that, shall we try not to derail another thread? Presently, all the tiresome lefty tub-thumpers have been corralled into one place to furiously agree with each other in a shouty, revolutionary manner, which is great for the rest of us as it means we can avoid them quite easily
Shall we try and keep it like that?
Solidarity brother
Didn’t he once say about a tactic of releasing / doing more and more stupid things so we just get fed up of hearing about it and moving onto the next ?
Yes but I think it is more likely thats just used as an excuse for him being a complete pile of shit.
Where do you read this stuff?
In the past it would have been the late lamented Holy Moley. A wonderfully put together scandal sheet available online only.
You really don’t need to have any secret insider knowledge to be aware of this stuff, just the ability to use Google or Twitter
Tell you what comrade… if you want me to come back to the Keir Starmer thread so you can take issue with everything I say and argue with me, you just have to ask nicely
Failing that, shall we try not to derail another thread? Presently, all the tiresome lefty tub-thumpers have been corralled into one place to furiously agree with each other in a shouty, revolutionary manner, which is great for the rest of us as it means we can avoid them quite easily
Why is it okay to have a Johnson thread and it be loaded with completely justified free-style criticism?
But not the same for Starmer - who let's face has been a disaster as he's supposed to speak for the rest of us.
I can't square it.
Hold your own team to the higher standard, and when they don't reach that standard allow the same criticism.
You all seem quite happy in your communal
Shoutyness.
We’re all happy that you’re happy
Let’s not derail another thread because everyone else has left you to it
Meanwhile, Johnson is now suggesting that The UK could leave the European Convention on Human Rights as it may prevent it shipping asylum seekers to Rwanda
And if that doesn’t sound like a descent into fascism, then it should, because it is
https://twitter.com/itvnewspolitics/status/1536711158132002819?s=21&t=g7rB0kE-bTcdABH-Lmzwew
https://twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/1536765507382218753?s=21&t=g7rB0kE-bTcdABH-Lmzwew
You really don’t need to have any secret insider knowledge to be aware of this stuff, just the ability to use Google or Twitter
No one was suggesting inside knowledge, I was just intrigued how you appear to know so much about sexual activities within the Tory establishment.
Obviously I have an ability to use Google it's just never occurred to me to Google the personal relationships of Tory MPs.
Failing that, shall we try not to derail another thread?
What you think the Starmer thread has been "derailed" because it is focused on politics and not who's shagging who?
Btw binners as you know I love your rants, they are a source of much entertainment. And with the absence of gardentiger/dannyh recently I'm relying on you even more to provide the angry centrist rants.
Edit:
You all seem quite happy in your communal
Shoutyness.
I'm lovin your lack of self-awareness!