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Is that 34% of those that still say they’d vote Conservative, or 34% of those who voted Conservative in 2019?
Dug into it... it is based on how people voted in 2019. That's still a lot of support for Johnson staying with those 2019 Conservative voters (as polled) then.
Sunday Times was saying it was 67 letters went in!
no wonder he looked like the dog had eaten his dinner all weekend!
Norman knew all along how shabby the government was he was part of, they just produce realisations and 'principles' at opportune moments. It gives them leverage. Journalists do the same.
but WTAF are these people thinking!!??
They're the ex-UKIP brexit culture warriors. They are loyal to Johnson in the same way as many in the US are loyal to Trump. If the tories remove him they'll turn on them for betraying their beloved leader. If we're lucky it could cause a complete collapse in tory support.
Mad Nad really is the gift that keeps on giving
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1533808358871949312
This was less of a zinger than I’d hoped for.
I think there were enough clues in his Twitter handle. 🙂
Well that might result in some ministers voting against. Can't see rishi supporting him that much despite what he has said. And gove is a backstabbing little gimp so his tweets are not worth the electrons they waste
None of the Above MP currently polling well among Conservative Party members.
The more you see of this woman the worse she gets - here clearly forgetting about how she voted to oust Theresa May...
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1533807354717917184
More Dorris... MPs... don't forget how Conservative party democracy works...
https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1533810384108494848?s=20&t=vdmCxGg20LaeZUiMQ9lrVg
[ selectively ignoring the donors that have said Johnson should go, of course ]
This is terrific entertainment!
Nadine is a gift. ;o)
selectively ignoring the donors that have said Johnson should go, of course
Has anyone asked the Russians what they'd prefer? Seems reckless to make a choice without their usual input.
More Dorris
Hi Google, show me an MP that will never again hold a ministerial post if Johnson is booted out...
Nadine is a gift
Serious spelling mistake in that last word...
How these people ever achieve the positions they do is incredible and also quite tragic. It truly is "falling upwards", promoted so far beyond their actual abilities that it may as well be an alternate universe.
@crazy-legs That's because the main selection criterium is complete loyalty to Johnson. If they had any ability, they'd be a threat and would be on the back benches.
I think most of the current cabinet know full well that if he goes, they go too.
I think that 28% wanting to keep Bors is his kids.
Hi Google, show me an MP that will never again hold a ministerial post if Johnson is booted out
The present cabinet in its entirety
British politics has never seen such a hideous assortment of ****-wits
In any kind of meritocracy there’s not one of them would make it up to the level of middle management in a company retailing printer cartridges
When is Nadine Dorres going to tear off the prosthetics and reveal that she's been Matt Lucas all this time?
crazy-legs
Full MemberRaab is Deputy PM (God help us all…)
When Johnston was in hospital pretending to be dead, Raab was running the country. His entire qualification was that he was a really enthusiastic liar for brexit. That's it. Just another line in the hundreds of pages of things that should be really shocking about this government but which get totally forgotten because of something worse/stupider
People ( on this thread?) were stating that we should pay MPs more FFS really? this lot are not worth a penny chew
Douglas Ross has flipped back to properly opposing Johnson. He'll vote against him.
People ( on this thread?) were stating that we should pay MPs more FFS really? this lot are not worth a penny chew
vicious cycle though, if you continue paying this much, maybe you continue getting people who are incompetent. you're not going to attract people used to running large organisations in the private sector if they have to take a 70% paycut to get through the door, but at the same time its hard to justify to taypayers if you wanted to give some minister a 7 figure compensation package. its a lose-lose situation
The present cabinet in its entirety
I think more than one commentator has suggested it's less a cabinet and more a cult of Johnson. There's a fair few of those 95 ministers and whips that aren't ever going to see a sniff of power if Johnson goes, however I wouldn't bet against some of the whips to be the first in the queue to stick the knife in, it can't be an easy life being a whip in this shambles.
People ( on this thread?) were stating that we should pay MPs more FFS really? this lot are not worth a penny chew
Well I was one of the ones who agreed with that but it came with a bunch of caveats including:
no more expenses claims except for essential work-related travel - absolutely none of the second home / duck pond / general shopping / utility bills shite that been claimed in the past.
complete ban on second jobs
ban on employing family / friends etc as "assistants" on above-market-rate pay
no personal donations permitted, no lobbying, no "cash for access"
And yes, it'd need some sort of proper recruitment process where you could filter out the thick ones before they get put into a position where the general public can vote for them.
People ( on this thread?) were stating that we should pay MPs more FFS really? this lot are not worth a penny chew
correct but missing the point a bit - should be paid enough to attract real talent, but at the same time no second jobs or bent cash for questions type shenanigans.
The 'attracting real talent' would disbar a load of the current incumbents, that's for sure. Dorries is like a slow-mo car crash you can't stop rewinding to watch again.
So sorry...
https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1533838873909940224?s=20&t=jvs_1poj5PR1DfkyzHv6eA
From a few months ago, but seems apt today
https://twitter.com/jimllpaintit/status/1491420727958208515?s=21&t=WmX7mTxoLOjnU9Ll2xjr4g
@kelvin - I just came here to post the same thing. Why am I not surprised he thinks that? I'm currently a weird mix of livid and yet despondent
I just want the morally bankrupt turd gone. I've got to the point where i mute him whenever he's speaking now.
My point is that there are plenty of folk who want to be MPs - the salary is no deterrent to applicants and there are thousands and thousands of very competent people for whom that would be a huge payrise. folk like headteachers etc
How come and oversubscribed position we need to pay huge sums to attract talent but in other places ( teaching, social work, healthcare) this does not apply
Paying more will not increase the pool of talent IMO - just increase the number of snouts in trough types. We need folk with a public service ethos
Anyway - sorry - we did this one to death. I just thought the current shower show why its not money that is needed but electoral refom so loons don't get elected
So, Boris isn’t actually sorry at all about Partygate?
Surely not?!
I’ve not been this shocked since George Michael came out! 😳
He did such a good job of looking humble and contrite I don’t suppose anyone would ever have been able to tell. He was just so damn convincing!!
just came here to post the same thing. Why am I not surprised he thinks that? I’m currently a weird mix of livid and yet despondent
Me three!
Has he actually just given up and wants to lose?
This morning I was certain he'd win the confidence vote.
But the tweets from his supporters and Johnson himself seem increasingly desperate
I don't know whether anyone has posted this before? It's an excellent summary of Boris' 'career'. It says all you need to know really.
Let's home it's a bad night for Senor Johnson. Roll on 9pm!
From the very first post in this thread from years ago...
He lies, he’s lied all the time, he has no integrity and must be held accountable for all his previous statements.
...will he actually start to be held accountable? Why do I doubt it...? He'll carry on getting away with it, won't he.
Poor showing for the Yorkshire party
https://twitter.com/ChrisBurn_Post/status/1533836369696538625?t=BaaR9-Pjcf_JJgurGmPqFQ&s=19
Let’s home it’s a bad night for Senor Johnson. Roll on 9pm!
I’ve a feeling it won’t be, rapturous applause at his speech earlier so it’s reported. He’ll win, claim what a winner he is and that everything before the weekend should be swept under the carpet, shaft a few people who thought they were getting a new job tomorrow and carry on tearing this country a new arsehole. Unfortunately.
Well, our spineless Boris-cheerleading Brexiteer shithouse of a Tory MP has released a statement saying he fully backs Johnson
A bold move for a man sat on a majority of a mere 100 votes
I am fairly sure he will win the vote but not by a lot and thus limp on damaged further and continue to drag the tory party down. IMO the best scenario for the country
They don't get paid a lot to attract talent, they get paid a lot because they set their own wages and exes. Pay them the average wage, you'd still get talent but representative talent.
A bold move for a man sat on a majority of a mere 100 votes
if he ain’t already planning for a new job…
What's the betting that even if he loses this vote, Johnson will try and stay?!
tjagain
Full MemberI am fairly sure he will win the vote but not by a lot and thus limp on damaged further and continue to drag the tory party down. IMO the best scenario for the country
I think this will probably be the case. Limp on? Yes, but there will be a triumphalist spin on it!
If he loses I think he will try to call an election and bring the whole lot down with him. He has threatened that in the past.
And if he wins they’ll limp on and he’ll lost all the upcoming by elections.
Realistically, he’s going to win. Hopefully the drip drip of photos, stories etc will then intensify, the privileges committee will find he did lie, and the tories will be highlighted for what craven fools they are before he is obliged to resign based on the code (which I appreciate is a guideline but I think the 22 committee could probably force him out).
Re. MPs and salaries - I think the easiest way to get good candidates would be to get rid of having to be in London (unless actually PM and cabinet), do everything virtually with the Houses of Parliament turned into a hotel/theme park. Also make some kind of birth/ 7 year residency criteria for standing for a constituency like in sport
Poor showing for the Yorkshire party
What's their manifesto?
Hear all, see all, say nowt.
Eat all, sup all, pay nowt.
Tom Harwood here, with an amazing exclusive:
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1533809922734948352?s=20&t=2bHA-3vGO7paipiK-oma8g
Does he get paid for this kind of content? I'd be asking for a refund... 🙂
I don’t think there is much chance of Boris losing tonight’s vote.
It’s more a question of how many votes he gets….
Less than 200 and I reckon it’s only a matter of time
More than 250, and we’re stuck with him
Over 300 and not only stuck but he won’t shut up
200 - 250, and it’s going to be an interesting time for rabbits out of hats etc to get more votes banked for the next general election
Realistically, he’s going to win.
Realistically no one knows and it's on a knife edge. There's a lot of animosity and naked ambition around so I bet there's a lot MPs supporting him in public then knifing him in the back. Liz Truss for example, she'll never get another chance, however slim, of being PM so she'll be voting against. Same goes for Gove and any of the other nutters who fancy their chances in a leadership election. Then there'll be the ministers who've been offered jobs by the likes of Hunt et al. So on top of all the backbenchers who hate him there'll be a fair number of govt ministers voting to get rid.
There might even be a few Tory Mps who actually want him gone for the tight reasons as well, you know every little helps. I won't believe he's actually gone until he leaves no 10 with his things in a cardboard box Cummings style.
thousands of very competent people for whom that would be a huge payrise. folk like headteachers etc
Depends how big their acadamy/trust is.
Is it just me or is having the news presenters outside no.10 on the news with head mics on a new thing?
No ambient sound at all, just their voices. Makes me wonder if there's aot of racket, i.e. booking going in there, though I'm sure they'd be happy to show that.
What’s the betting that even if he loses this vote, Johnson will try and stay?!
By changing the rules so he doesn’t have to go 😂
Theresa May turned up to vote dressed to party in a ball gown 😂
Nothing to add but he'll win the vote and the ****show will continue 😔
Hopefully we'll find out before Love Island starts at 9pm.
I think he's gone.
Hmmm
But that's fewer than the number of letters required to trigger the vote...
I think he’s gone.
I don't think so. He's got an uncanny ability to wriggle out of everything, the problem is how much he wins by. As @fatoldgit says above - more than about 250 and he won't shut up about how he's been vindicated, the country wants him to move forward, deliver on Brexit yada yadda.
he will survive this I think but be further wounded and will continually have to face down rebellions in the house
Kimbers, that chart you've posted was from just prior Theresa's May vote - its mot indicative of Johnson. The caption that goes with it is :
Election Maps UK has broken down what happened in 2018 when former Conservative prime minister Theresa May faced a confidence vote in her leadership.
In 2018, 79% of those who did not issue a statement either way voted no confidence in Theresa May.
That number would need to rise to 85% for Boris Johnson to lose the confidence of his party.
the salary is no deterrent to applicants and there are thousands and thousands of very competent people for whom that would be a huge payrise. folk like headteachers etc
How come and oversubscribed position we need to pay huge sums to attract talent but in other places ( teaching, social work, healthcare) this does not apply
TJ, I know a few folk in teaching etc including some reasonably senior ones. My uncle was a headteacher for many years. I have siblings who are senior consultants in hospitals. They are all competent. I was hoping for a bit more though in the folk who represent us, scrutinise, amend and pass the laws and who hold the government to account.
Now it has also been my occasionally dubious pleasure to meet MPs, ministers and select committee members. Of those I have rarely come away with anything but respect for the select committee types - MPs and ministers varied.
And while no captain of industry myself, I know a few who really are.
Some of those senior corporate types would be pretty good in parliamentary roles.
And trust me they are in a different league of assimilating information, analysis and decision making in a wide context to headteachers or hospital consultants.
Nadine? Yep, I’m with you on that one.
I have such a blind spot to Bojo. I do not see the appeal & never have but Tory MPs must see he is bad for their party? Coverage has been so negative recently.
If I was Labour I'd want him to stay. If he goes and someone sensible gets in what will Keir's selling point be?
someone sensible gets in
Lol.
Is it just me or is having the news presenters outside no.10 on the news with head mics on a new thing?
The BBC lunchtime news from Downing Street was somewhat disrupted by a loud sound system by the barriers playing "Bye Bye Baby" on loop. The sound people were trying to adjust mics and the presenters were trying not to laugh.
If I was Labour I’d want him to stay. If he goes and someone sensible gets in what will Keir’s selling point be?
The people who voted him in don't want someone sensible. They want someone who will break the mould of what they see as a woke-liberal political establishment who don't care about them. They won't vote for Starmer, but neither will they vote for Johnson's replacement, and that's all Starmer needs.
Yep, the supposed elision of wealth with talent and we get the rather unimpressive Sahawi, Sunak and Mogg.
If I was Labour I’d want him to stay. If he goes and someone sensible gets in
You know we’re talking about the post-Brexit Tory party here, right? BlueKIP? Sensible?
Whoever takes over from Johnson will be even more unhinged and Brexity and as thick as a Boxing Day turd
This is the problem, and bojo knows it.
It's all very well getting rid of him but what even more insidious candidate would replace him? We're still stuck with the conservatives however you cut it.
The vote is just internal party posturing, it doesn't really mean anything to the man on the street.
My point is that there are plenty of folk who want to be MPs – the salary is no deterrent to applicants and there are thousands and thousands of very competent people for whom that would be a huge payrise. folk like headteachers etc
MP salary is £84k. An OECD report in 2021 looked at 36 countries and found state secondary headteachers in UK were paid £102k, with only heads in Luxembourg and Mexico earning more.
MP salaries and even the PM take home is low relative to comparable senior leadership roles in public and private sector. And it's hard to get a job as an MP. Not defending the culture and conduct of any or all politicians but far easier jobs out there for the money.
My local MP Daniel Kawczynski seems to be in hiding, is the voting record for the voc published?
An OECD report in 2021 looked at 36 countries and found state secondary headteachers in UK were paid £102k, with only heads in Luxembourg and Mexico earning more
Do many other countries have our crazy academy trust system? Most secondary heads are heads of multiple schools so it may not be easy to compare.
Wow Sophie Ridge just did the Jeremy C*** thing live on sky. Without even batting an eyelid. What a professional.
https://twitter.com/SteColl/status/1533893703257010176?s=20&t=i7WIvlVKhR2NNQPzVIl1DQ
£84k? Plus exes, directorships, travel, long holidays, heating for your horses, duck houses, free houses etc etc. Blimey I can't imagine why they are so keen to hold on to their jobs rather than walk into these easier jobs for more money.