I hope the Arcuri thing puts him in ****ing prison. Stealing public money ffs
I consider anyone who holds racist views to be fundamentally uneducated.
And just to be clear you consider that voters in the so-called red wall seats suddenly, and apparently inexplicably, became racists in a matter of a few months because of brexit?
All was good in the red wall seats in 2017 because they weren't Tory voting racists, and they were still voting
Labour.
Despite actually supporting brexit.
I only come here to marvel at the astonishing logic of the educated classes.
I only come here to marvel at the astonishing logic of the educated classes.
Are you marvelling or feeling immensely superior?
I’m still puzzled as to how someone who used sexual favours to obtain £126000 from a public official has a choice about how, when and even whether she submits evidence which she holds.
It's probably in her own legal interests to stay in the states, but in her financial interests if the media interest in her London sexploits picks up, there might be some appearance/interview fees on offer.
Plus let's be honest anyone persuing this is after Boris for abusing his position, not the blousy 'merican "business woman" who he fixated on and started splashing London's money at...
I think all that the last few weeks (well years really) have proven is just how far political conduct in the UK has regressed.
As for "red brick" voters, they were sold various promises, they were told they'd be "leveling up" and yes Brexit would be "getting done"... But I think it was as much a backlash against what probably seemed as much like a disconnected Westminster bubble focussed Labour getting hung up on the 'wrong' issues as it was Boris's clearly insincere promises.
Maybe we shouldn't get hung up on who voted which way or why in 2019, what's done is done now. Perhaps we just wait till 2024, highlight the actions of this government between then and the next election and ask those voters;
"have you gotten what you were promised? Is your region/community/family materially better off having backed the Tory party? Do you still think you can trust them?"...
If People can change their mind once, they can change it again. And I'm not sure Boris ever intended to be more than a single term PM, the point of any smash and grab operation is to be in and out quickly...
cookeaa put things very eloquently.
Mildly amused would probably be the best description RB.
As someone who is working-class, with very basic education, and strongly dislikes the EU, it amuses me that I should be dismissed as an uneducated racist by someone who appears unable to explain why according to them traditional Labour voters suddenly became racist in 2019.
To be fair I don't expect that Flaperon thought for a minute that the claim "Red Wall seats voted Tory on account of Brexit and durty asylum-seaking forriners taking are jobs" would need explaining.
Showing total contempt towards people who don't vote correctly, calling them racists, and mocking the way that arrogant people with a sense of superiority feel they probably spell words, generally goes unchallenged on STW.
If People can change their mind once, they can change it again. And I’m not sure Boris ever intended to be more than a single term PM
Yep I wouldn't be surprised to see him slink off if he keeps ballsing things up, on present polling his own constituency isn't even safe.
A 2nd term is by no means guaranteed, even as mayor he only scraped it against livingston by a few % and livingston was a liability by then
It's worth realising that without Covid he'd be well into the program of deregulation and national asset stripping he was originally installed for.
Showing total contempt towards people who don’t vote correctly, calling them racists, and mocking the way that arrogant people with a sense of superiority feel they probably spell words, generally goes unchallenged on STW.
That is almost certainly part of what motivated people to vote Boris in, right?
The term "London elite" was being chucked about at the time along with some others, and could be applied to almost anyone to frame them as looking down on Brexit supporters, or just economically/politically disadvantaged people not living in the SE. Basically playing on people's (quite justified) sense of disenfranchisement.
TBH 2019 was a triumph for vague promises, political smearing, and heavyweight sloganeering. Pushing out lots of messages, yes some a bit racist, but many others more focussed on using those huge social and economic gaps between different regions that did exist (and still do). Lots of dog whistles were being played by Dom on Bozza's behalf.
Well the Brexiteers have had their Brexit now and it's going swimmingly, how's that "leveling up" going for the rest of you?
In no particular order Boris and chums have raided the PPE budget, offered derisory pay increases to NHS staff, had a jolly good crack at installing sympathetic individuals in regulatory roles, tried changing parliamentary rules so one of their own didn't have to suffer a (deserved) 1 month suspension (FFS), fiddled the books for the PMs wallpaper, thrown out lots of mixed messages in the management of the pandemic (and IMO cost lives), and now they're cancelling the bit of HS2 that would have benefitted Northern cities with improved rail capacity helping grow the regional economy.
I'll grant you they gave the nation Furlough (which the opposition backed) but the alternative was massive unemployment.
(Assuming you turned Tory) You voted for an old Etonian, Bullingdon Boy (the walking definition of privileged entitlement) on the promise that he'd smash the elites and level up the disadvantaged, He was never going to do that. Which was kind of obvious to some people. You must appreciate why they hold a bit of contempt for those that lent the Tory party their votes...
At the end of the day people are going to disagree with you, that's life, and in the absence of any discernable logic for your actions, they're going to ascribe (negative) motives, and yes mock you...
If you don't mind me asking why did you vote Tory?
Very telling headline from The Express. It's been his main cheerleader for sometime now. It's actually seeking to reassure it's readership that he is still their man. Very telling.
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To highlight his parties problems (one of many) Boris just can't help himself... Genuinely, he can't stop being what he is, hence all the self inflicted damage.
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It wont be any one story that sinks Boris and his party. It'll be a constant drip,drip of Boris stupidity and negative revelations about the Tories around him.
It's going to be a very long winter for Boris and the tories. If it weren't for the fact that the country and its people are already paying the price for these corrupt c***s id be in a pretty positive mood due to both Boris and his party being in real trouble.
It's hard to feel "happy" given the scenario though.
In no particular order Boris and chums have raided the PPE budget, offered derisory pay increases to NHS staff, had a jolly good crack at installing sympathetic individuals in regulatory roles, tried changing parliamentary rules so one of their own didn’t have to suffer a (deserved) 1 month suspension (FFS), fiddled the books for the PMs wallpaper, thrown out lots of mixed messages in the management of the pandemic (and IMO cost lives), and now they’re cancelling the bit of HS2 that would have benefitted Northern cities with improved rail capacity helping grow the regional economy.
I’ll grant you they gave the nation Furlough (which the opposition backed) but the alternative was massive unemployment.
You have obviously given a bit of thought and that is a fairly reasonable synopsis, I am assuming that you have focused on what you consider to be the negative aspects of Johnson's premiership.
When it is summed up like that it increases my amazement even more how some people, who claim to be to the left of the Tory Party, consider that Thatcher, Major, and Cameron premierships to have been more desirable than Johnson's.
Nothing in what you have listed compares with the magnitude of nasty Tory policies pursued by Thatcher, Major, and Cameron. You even had to resort to refering to Downing Street wallpaper ffs.
Can you imagine the misery that Britain would have been spared if criticism of Thatcher, Major, and Cameron, had focused on issues such as what wallpaper they chose during their Downing Street stay?
The charges against those three include trebling unemployment, complete breakdown of law and order/rioting in our cities, war, flogging off the nation's assets at knockdown prices, destroying communities, poll tax, inequality, homophobic legislation, cuts and austerity causing misery, poverty, and death, and huge increases in crime and the prison population.
Btw do I sound like someone who likes Tory governments?
Well the Brexiteers have had their Brexit now and it’s going swimmingly, how’s that “leveling up” going for the rest of you?
Process of change can't happen over night. At least we are out of the tentacles of another silly system (Benny hill music in the background). Life is not perfect but at least it is less headache (one less). Take back control? Yes, why not? That is precisely it - take back control. It is not easy because the inner rot is extensive while external pressure keeps coming from a system that wants to set an example of Brexit.
If you don’t mind me asking why did you vote Tory?
Seriously? Tory might be a party of clowns but the alternatives make a clown out of the people. I rather be entertained than to entertain like a circus animals for the elites.
I rather be entertained than to entertain like a circus animal for the elites.
Considering you are talking about politics and Tory politics in particular?
Wow.
Considering you are talking about politics and Tory politics in particular?
Wow.
Yes, you need to choose.
I don't trust politicians regardless but there are some less damaging than others. I just choose those that are less damaging to me.
Can't find the article now, but next week's embarrassing u-turn looks to be over watering down of social care costs cap, which would disadvantage pensioners with low value houses in the North far more than those in the south where property prices are higher.
New northern tory MP's up in arms and threatening vote against apparently.
I can see a u-turn on scrapping the rail upgrades he promised too
Showing total contempt towards people who don’t vote correctly, calling them racists, and mocking the way that arrogant people with a sense of superiority feel they probably spell words, generally goes unchallenged on STW.
Seems to me that you have this rose-tinted view of what the "working class" is, and sit safely and comfortably outside it while feigning outrage that anyone suggests that someone can be working class and racist.
Can’t find the article now, but next week’s embarrassing u-turn looks to be over watering down of social care costs cap,
Accepting its a valid issue to rebel on, but let's hope it doesn’t become a reason to kick care costs onto the long grass again
When I wrote to failing grayling , moaning about how shit brexit was and how he shouldn’t support the wife beating, lying to the queen , crook that’s in number 10 all I got back was a letter supporting brexit.
Can we all take 10 minutes to stop moaning on here and moan to your Tory mp instead.
They all supported Cummings and got burnt , remind them of that.
I obviously get filtered into the 'ignore' folder by my local MP now, after having has a similar pro brexit waffle from mine, he now just ignores me
I got blocked from all the social media of my new Tory MP/Brexit rubber stamp last year for politely asking him what his opinion was on Mr Cummings Covid castle tour.
His social media is entirely full of toadying posts saying how wonderful he is, as anything else is immediately deleted and the perpetrator blocked. I know loads of people who this has happened to.
And we’re not talking about being abusive here. Far from it. We’re talking about his constituents politely asking perfectly legitimate questions about government policy that directly effects them
I’ve emailed him on a couple of occasions and you get a reply from a lackey asking you for a postcode to confirm you are one of his constituents, then nothing. This is apparently standard.
In short, he’s behaving exactly as we thought he would
I've had just as poor feedback from writing to my Labor MP, not that it excuses anything.
As for the U turns, many of the new (vocal) Tories I speak to see them as a good thing, it shows that's Boris is sticking it to the London elite and listening to the people... Blind faith / idiocy is hard to argue with.
There’s a good piece by Andrew Rawnsley in the Observer this morning on the patience of Tory MPs wearing very thin with Johnson now
Boris Johnson has united every Tory faction – in anger at him
So what will Tyne next U-turn be?
Social Care
Trains
Covid restrictions
?
Unfortunately the end of Boris isn't likely to be the end of this government.
Seems to me that you have this rose-tinted view of what the “working class” is, and sit safely and comfortably outside it while feigning outrage that anyone suggests that someone can be working class and racist.
I rarely feel "outrage", I have no idea why you feel that I might be feigning it.
Nor do I have any idea what you mean by "comfortably outside" and rose-tinted view. My view is very much from the inside.
What you perceive as outrage was simply an observation of the contempt you clearly feel towards those that you personally consider to be uneducated and racist. I really couldn't give a monkeys how much you hate them, any particular reason why I should?
Anyway all this very conveniently detracts from the question that you persistently refuse to answer. You made the bold statement that in 2019 the "red wall" voted Tory because the voters are (uneducated) racists. Explain why you think these racists were voting Labour previously, or did they become racist just for that election? I am assuming you understand why it is referred to as Labour's red wall.
Care cap examples here
https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1461296491079872513?t=lZ9Iw7ruuxt_TwMpdSTbXA&s=19
My parents live in a not particularly nice part of the South (Dunstable)
My wife's mum lives in a nicer part of the North (Wirral)
But the price difference on similar houses is huge, the new cap could mean a difference of nearly 200k
Leveling up my arse
and strongly dislikes the EU
Why is that? And how is the alternative shaping up for you personally?
From my point of view it's not going well for me nor the country as I don't have a vast amount of money in my bank account. If one was a pro-brexit voter without a large pot of money one was at best a fool. (My working history includes time as a TGWU Steward in food manufacturing, it wasn't hard to see what was being aimed at by the monied classes if one did some basic research).
EDIT A vast amount of money would be an integer with at least 6 zeros before the decimal point.
I think we need to be wary of reports of Tory support waning for their economic policies. While they aren't left wing enough for many if us, to many Tories they are already neo-Communist. They aren't complaining the policies are too right wing.
Some are complaining that they aren’t about “small state government”, true, but others are complaining that policy after policy are hitting those on lower incomes, and the North, and doubly those on lower incomes in the North. There are now many different Tory MPs in the commons, relying on very different support in their constituencies, who were only ever unified by the “all things to all people” vague “get Brexit done” campaigning. The details of implementing actual policy, and the priorities of where government spending/cuts fall, will split them apart from each other, and the government, on the occasions where they find themselves scrutinising how Johnson governs, rather than how he campaigns.
When it is summed up like that it increases my amazement even more how some people, who claim to be to the left of the Tory Party, consider that Thatcher, Major, and Cameron premierships to have been more desirable than Johnson’s.
I can't claim to have been a fan of any Tory PM from the last 40 odd years, I've never voted for them (I'm willing to admit an ingrained bias against the Torys). I agree that crushing the Miners and needless "austerity" were all about slapping the proles down and keeping some version of the old class structures in place.
But those leaders are not in power today, Boris is having aligned with the Brexit propaganda machine and told a few wild lies. He has no more compunction about hurting the working classes than his predecessors. His wallpaper and Arcuri fiddling just illustrate the point that he's got sticky fingers and poor Impulse control, not exactly leadership qualities. The other stuff highlights the age old Tory habit of not seeing the rules as applicable to their lot. We've yet to see what other little wheezes Bozza and the gang have been up to in the background, everyone's attention has been focussed on some other pretty major issues for the last couple of years.
If you honestly believe pulling the plug on the northern part of a major national rail infrastructure upgrade doesn't send a message (Londoners will still be able to/from get to Brum quickly) then I'm not sure what will convince you that the Torys just don't care about the North... He's had your vote, he's got plenty of seats now. He's got another couple of years in power and is more than likely going to **** you over while telling you it's for your own good. It's ok to make mistakes, but you should be ready to learn from them.
Like I said let's revisit the list in a couple of years and see how things are stacking up, if Boris has suddenly become the magnanimous man of the people; will he be securing jobs and opportunities outside of the SE, or making last minute "spending announcements" having spent another couple of years awarding contracts to Chums, rigging the tax system and eroding employment rights and regulations.
Stop feeding the trolls
When all your economic policies have failed or been shown to be a ruse, the age-old tradition is to pull the race card as we see now with the migrants.
I can't believe it - another of Boris's bridges has been scrapped... 🤣
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59368707
Just watching him "perform" addressing the CBI Conference. I've seen some bad presenting but he is in a whole other league. An absolute total shambles, incoherent, stumbling, embarrassing to watch.
He is now on about "Pepper Pig"... WTF! This man has no ability at all.
Is he OK?
https://twitter.com/NathWiddowson/status/1462726687398010884?t=Mfhl8X5iQ1U9UFNPoR26vw&s=19
Imagine the press if that was Diane Abbot… or Kier Starmer come to think of it…
Care cap examples here
I think this shows very well how this has been tweaked to turn it into a “protect the assets of the rich” scheme…
Still pissed.
Pissed? It’s like he’s been snorting ketamine
https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1462734323652743173?s=21
F*** business indeed.
... and everyone else, for that matter.
It's like one of those nightmares you have about having to give a presentation to the entire school but you haven't done any research or preparation. Surprised he didn't look down and find he was naked as well.
And this is our leader on the global stage.
And on a day he needs his MPs to vote for a social care cap that will disproportionately hit the poorest over the richest
And on a day he needs his MPs to vote for a social care cap that will disproportionately hit the poorest over the richest
To be fair, I doubt many of them would need much encouragement to vote for something like that. Unless they think it isn't hard enough on the poor.
