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Compare Rory Stewart with Liz Truss ... really emphasises how broken the Conservative Party is now.
Boris Johnson Broke Britain.
Technically speaking, he could say they aren't actually swastikas because they are set within a square and not a diamond. They are obviously related to the ancient Egyptian or Hindu use of the motif and anyone who mistakes them for swastikas is in fact a woke Nazi.
Technically speaking of course....
A fine piece of doublethink
With reference to the claims of blackmail
"But No 10 suggested on Friday that an investigation would only be launched “if there was any evidence” to support the claims,"
so you have to have evidence before you can investigate. What is the investigation for then?
If Rory Stewart is such a fine upstanding man WTF is he doing in the tory party? No tory can have any decent moral values or they would not be in the party. He just wants to appear cuddly and reasonable. Its a political ploy.
He is no longer in the Tory party.
so you have to have evidence before you can investigate. What is the investigation for then?
To whitewash it and blame some junior official.
If Rory Stewart is such a fine upstanding man WTF is he doing in the tory party?
Wasn't he part of the clearout when Boris got rid of anyone moderately sane who had any notable hint of ability?
As an aside, did you watch QT last night? Hats off to author Chris Brookmyre who described Jacob Rees-Mogg as a 'Steampunk C3PO' 😂
He is no longer in the Tory party.
Ah - take back what I said then
Boris Johnson Broke Britain.
No it was broken long before that. Johnson is a symptom not the disease.
As an aside, did you watch QT last night? Hats off to author Chris Brookmyre who described Jacob Rees-Mogg as a ‘Steampunk C3PO’ 😂
The man is a genius. And most of his books are outrageously funny too. Was a very good QT I thought...almost wish I was Scottish...(well until the rugby starts but don't tell anyone shhhh)
Boris Johnson Broke Britain.
No it was broken long before that. Johnson is a symptom not the disease.
They do now seem to be involved in some sort of scorched earth policy at the moment though
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Johnson is a symptom not the disease.
Poor little Alexander. Sorry, no, we’re all culpable to a degree for allowing him to gain the power he has, but ultimately, he is at the centre of so much damage to the UK, all in his own interest. The people that suffered, and the damage done to the UK’s reputation, just while he was Foreign Secretary, is enough to make me despise him… never mind all he did before and has done since.
Interesting that the whips list was correct about Matt Hancock & Charlie Elphick
we’re all culpable to a degree for allowing him to gain the power
I'm not, despite being firmly centre right I held my nose and voted for Corbyn's Labour party in an act of desperation, anything but Boris.
Well, most people never voted for him, but we all paid him attention when he should have just been ignored.
And more stuff dribbles out!
The telegraph apparantly has photos taken at one of the parties according to the Guardian and texts about it as well as eyewitness reports
🙂
Poor little Alexander. Sorry, no, we’re all culpable to a degree for allowing him to gain the power he has, but ultimately, he is at the centre of so much damage to the UK, all in his own interest.
Hang on, that was in no way an attempt to exonerate him. He is fully responsible for lots of the things you say. But he came to power because people voted for him, and they did that because they are politically ignorant; easily convinced by a fake personality and a supportive bent media; and are jingoistic. Ignorance, disinterest and the associated gullibility is the disease.
Hang on, that was in no way an attempt to exonerate him. He is fully responsible for lots of the things you say. But he came to power because people voted for him, and they did that because they are politically ignorant; easily convinced by a fake personality and a supportive bent media; and are jingoistic. Ignorance, disinterest and the associated gullibility is the disease.
As ever, very wise words from molgrips. I'm hoping Boris is the peak of this pandemic, but I fear other variants will follow in his wake.
Hard agree molgrips. And he’s a bit of laugh, so not like all those other politicians 😞.
Good. Old. XXXX.
Just XXXX being XXXX.
XXXX is trying his best, he’s just a normal bloke.
I am actually surprised when the cameras take to the streets and people are saying 'everyone makes mistakes we need to get on with it' I mean how many people do they interview to find these people, 1 out of 25, Come up to Scotland and see how much slack the public cut him (even his MPs up here think he is an arse)
Come up to Scotland and see how much slack the public cut him (even his MPs up here think he is an arse)
My MP is Alister Jack.... I think it's fair to say I've spoken to no-one else around here who share's his particular enthusiasm for Boris. But then I probably don't move in the right circles.
Wasn’t he part of the clearout when Boris got rid of anyone moderately sane who had any notable hint of ability?
No, he just wasn't Brexit enough for Johnson but Remain enough for remainers to be beguiled .
Rory Stewart isn't some sort of 'moderately sane', good egg, research his voting record on welfare. He's just another born to rule, Etonian Tory.
Come up to Scotland and see how much slack the public cut him (even his MPs up here think he is an arse)
It occurred to me watching QT last night that Scottish Tories bashing Johnson plays well with Scottish Tory voters and English Tories bashing Scottish Tories plays well with English Tory voters. Seems to me that the Tories have played a clever hand.
It also occurred to me that describing Rees Mogg as 'A Steam Punk C3PO' is probably the only time I've ever been amused at QT
I see the Telegraph is makinga big fuss about the party we know Johnson wasnt at
preparing the way for civil servants to take the fall
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1484561592704512003
"The telegraph apparantly has photos taken at one of the parties according to the Guardian and texts about it as well as eyewitness reports"
What are the odds that staff from the Daily Torygrift were at at least one of the parties...
“The word party suggests... balloons and poppers"
I love that people are fixating on the balloons and not the poppers. I mean, presumably he meant party poppers but...
If after a long stressful day they partied until the small hours was there Bolivian marching powder involved?
I’m hoping Boris is the peak of this pandemic
Yeah I dunno. People are fickle as we've seen. If your entire appeal is that you're likeable and it turns out that you're not, the previous likeability will be seen as being fake, which should convert all previous goodwill to animosity. In other words, support could collapse pretty quickly since he has nothing else. Well, except for getting Brexit done. But even when Churchill got the war done the electorate binned him pretty quickly.
It's not just popularity, it's deference. When he'd avoid an issue/question with some cod Latin quote people looked up to him: Eton and Oxford, he must be a good egg. This deference leads people to think that they should endure austerity whilst clearly the ruling class does not share this view for themselves. And there's lots more of this to come.
Hang on, that was in no way an attempt to exonerate him. He is fully responsible for lots of the things you say. But he came to power because people voted for him, and they did that because they are politically ignorant; easily convinced by a fake personality and a supportive bent media; and are jingoistic. Ignorance, disinterest and the associated gullibility is the disease.
https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1484628544844177414?s=21
Was wondering how the stitch up would go. No details on emails etc just a summary is expected
@jam-bo that is how I see it too. The UK has had a political competence deficit for a long long time. Perhaps centuries I don't know.
Falkirk mark - that would be the norm for this sort of thing. Don't worry - everything has been leaked including that email.
Molgrips - you do not have to go back far to find politicians with integrity and ability. funnily the first names that come to mind are tories but even so.
Maybe this was why the refurb bill was so high- constant repairs after each party.
Maybe this was why the refurb bill was so high- constant repairs after each party.
No, the gatherings (if there were any … Cummings claims there were) in the furnished part of the flat aren’t part of this. And aren’t being included in the scapegoating report Sue Grey is working on.
This comment aged very well!
I hadn’t spotted this from last week, but nothings changed. Fair play to Jamie Carragher and Gary Neville for the double act mocking Johnson 😂
https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1482296249269186566?s=21
,perhaps you have to have a stripper/hookers & Coke for it to be a party.
You see its a 'Grey' area. If you invite stripers and hookers its obviously 'a party' - so everyones having a party yes? Well no... for strippers and hookers being at a party is work - because thats their job, so for them its a 'work event'.
Same thing happens if you invite a clown. A clown would obviously think if he got an email inviting him to attend a party that he was going to a work event.
I think you're doing the clown community a great disservice. Being a clown is neither work nor party.
Being a clown, a bumbling, poorly dressed figure of fun lurching from one catastrophe to the next while people stare open mouthed is a life choice.
Nah, he's a clown. He tries to portray a friendly character but underneath the facade he's a sinister bastard with scary harmful thoughts and actions.
Children should be scared of him and his clown mates. Their future is in his hands
A few views from Wales here:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/town-turned-blue-how-bridgend-22817954
We now have Tory MPs calling for criminal investigations into the parties and the blackmail with Wragg actually setting up a meeting with cops to discuss
And in a revelation that will surprise precisely no one....
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1484951464720179204?t=sfcLB0Low9baqua2rqmBMg&s=19
If this Grauniad story is to be believed then Gray report is gong to be very definitive and have the evidence we need.
The trouble is they will just pass off Nusrat Ghani and Christian Wakeford's allegations as just sour grapes, and you will have to like it or lump it. What they are suggesting simply doesn't happen, ever at all, according to the likes of Connor Burns ( in his spat with Eddie Mair on LBC the other evening). Is that the same Connor Burns who resigned his post as Trade Minister after he was found to have made veiled threats whilst attempting to intervene in his fathers dispute over a loan ?
It matters not what excuses they come up with - the Gray investigation looks like she has the smoking gun and the police have now been involved. We now know that there was also a party in the no 11 flat hosted by Carrie antoinette
Johnson is toast and so are others now I think
Is this officially a political crisis now?
Is this officially a political crisis now?
The crisis started on 6th may 2010
From timbers' tweet:
“At the post-reshuffle meeting with the whips I asked what the thinking was behind the decision to fire me and what the mood music was when my name was mentioned in No 10 concerning the reshuffle. I was told that at the reshuffle meeting in Downing Street that ‘Muslimness’ was raised as an ‘issue’, that my ‘Muslim woman minister’ status was making colleagues uncomfortable and that there were concerns ‘that I wasn’t loyal to the party as I didn’t do enough to defend the party against Islamophobia allegations’.
“When I challenged whether this was in any way acceptable and made clear there was little I could do about my identity, I had to listen to a monologue on how hard it was to define when people are being racist and that the party doesn’t have a problem and I needed to do more to defend it.
How messed up is that: sacked for both being Muslim making her colleagues uncomfortable and not defending the party against accusations of being Islamophobic. 'We tolerated you so we could say we aren't racist but you're not doing your job well enough'. Disgusting ****s
Steady on TJ.
The police haven't confirmed they're doing anything - yet; they should and there will be serious accusations if they don't.
The carrie antoinette allegations are yet to be proven;I hope they are.
Won't be long before some indisputable facts emerge.
Completely agree with your toasted johnson sentiment.
Tomorrow's front pages should make for entertaining reading.
police have now been involved.
Just imagine they had a high ranking official in the Met Police in their pocket 😉
It a bit like a real life Line of Duty series, only a bit more unbelievable ☹️
How messed up
Very messed up. And no surprise. The last leadership election ended up with all candidates promising that anti-Muslim attitudes and actions in the party would be investigated and dealt with. Unfortunately Johnson won, and breaking a promise comes as easily to him as a fart.
No doubt I'll get flamed for bringing Corbyn into this but imagine if his chief whip had said anything like this to a Jewish MP. Hierarchy of racism in full effect.
Fair enough Frank but Wragg is meeting cops tomorrow and he will not be doing this without good evidence - apparently conversations have been recorded
The so called inquiry into islamophobia in the tories did not interview any of the muslim MPs!
This comment aged very well!
I’ve only just found out what you mean! Blimey. Did this come out of Gray interviewing Cummings? If there is evidence of one of the gatherings in the flat, Johnson can’t just change a few staff members and move on, surely?
Now, let’s get Gray looking into the goings on at Chequers, there will be a trail there if she is allowed to look and staff safely feel they can be honest because Johnson is on the way out.
johnson has become so toxic that he's now damaging the 'conservative brand'.
The tories will forgive most transgressions as history shows but damage the brand - that's terminal.
Bit like the royal family.
Oh look it's my MP 🙄
I still get the sinking feeling this is all going to go away like it never happened. I blame the deep pessimism I always have 😂
The Guardian report states:
gathering in Downing Street, possibly in the PM’s flat and involving close friends of his wife
I wonder if Al was entertaining her close friends on his own?
Oh look it’s my MP
He seems like a witty and charming fellow.
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1485006181840138248
How big will the cracks in the Tory party go? Dare we believe they are going to rip themselves to bits?
I still get the sinking feeling this is all going to go away like it never happened. I blame the deep pessimism I always have
Tbf the ridiculous frequency of government ending scandals come so thick & fast that its easy to become numb to the perpetual crisis the government is in
How big will the cracks in the Tory party go? Dare we believe they are going to rip themselves to bits?
Nah.
They have enough of a majority and enough time that they will refocus, once their paymasters tell them to, on the important issues.
The hard right press will make sure they back off if it looks too damaging. The only risk will be if Starmer makes enough promises to Murdoch and co and even then it will only be a time in exile whilst they rebuild.
and breaking a promise comes as easily to him as a fart.
Easier really - all farts should be preceded by a momentary consideration of ‘is this wise?’, but there’s little evidence that Johnson’s bullshit is.
We now know that there was also a party in the no 11 flat hosted by Carrie antoinette
Boris will say it was all Carrie’s fault, thank her for her contribution and sack her from her current role. Two birds, one stone…
It all feels a bit '96.
Will it in '24?
If a week is a long time, 2 years is more so.
Unless the Grey report means he absolutely has to go, I’m not convinced a vote of no confidence would pass, which as others have said, would probably be more damaging than him going.
If he does go, Labour need to push on these other allegations as not BoJo but ingrained in Tory culture.
Two years may be a long time in politics but the next year will not be kind to whoever is in charge.
Random thought for next leader f BoJo goes: Kwarteng seems to be being quite critical of govt for a minister - very outside chance of going for it?
Random thought for next leader f BoJo goes: Kwarteng seems to be being quite critical of govt for a minister – very outside chance of going for it?
I mean, he's typical Tory - Eton/Cambridge educated and a voting record of being against things that might benefit the environment or the little people and in favour of things that might benefit the wealthy. Very much in favour of leaving the EU. So on the face of it, yes.
But will the racist core supporters go for a black PM?!
Anyway, Boris has diverted attention from Partygate by breaking another levelling-up promise. Oh look, miraculously the funding for bus service improvements has been halved.
Oh look, it disproportionately affects the Red Wall areas. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
This mornings political talk shows are going to be interesting Raaaaaab has pretty much thrown Johnson under a bus with
Raab says it’s a significant and important development and Gray will look into it.
In response to her asking about whether the prime minister should resign if he’s found o have lied. “We’ve been clear that ministerial code of conduct is there for everyone, including the prime minister. The facts are there for Sue Gray to determine. There will be full transparency and accountability.
“The code of conduct for ministers is clear, if that you mislead parliament it is a resigning matter. I’m full square behind what the code of conduct for ministers says, it’s important for integrity in public office.”
From the grauniad live Blog.
Unless the Grey report means he absolutely has to go...
This is interesting - could the Grey report be the party's opportunity to easily get rid of ABdePJ without a VONC etc?
He would have to resign, that isn't going to happen. The VONC mechanism is the only viable option currently.
According to The Times he's desperate to last longer than Cameron, so I can't see him resigning
Ego is all
And they are playing down the fact that this report/inquiry/investigation is asked for and reports to the PM who can then decide how to use/present it’s information.
He has plausible excuses for saving his own skin, it’s his house and the whole iffy crown land exemption(possibly more moral issues than legal).
Why would he resign? What's in it for him? Because it's for the good of the Party? Because it's for the good of the country? Laughable. If resigning can be presented to him as a win for him personally over the alternatives, then he might to it. But in what scenario might that be the case?