[Closed] Being a fatty now socially acceptable

you do realise that the fatties will one day outnumber the thinnies?

Already there fella - approx 60% of the adult population in the UK is overweight or obese.

Raises an interesting question about whether something is socially unacceptable if practised by a majority of society.

It's just a depressing situation. Some studies have a fifth of year six children as obese.

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Start at 6 mins in, if you want to.

you do realise that the fatties will one day outnumber the thinnies?

A frenchman even wrote a VERY serious book about an impending war between fatties and skinnies

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All I'm saying is please [u]be careful[/u] how much faith you put in non-medical websites that run information counter to the well-researched national guidelines, are advised by disbarred doctors and who publish non-rigorous anecdotal studies that would be rejected by mainstream journals*

There is good and bad information out there. Please consider your sources carefully - especially any offering miracle cures for a price. Googling the name of the site and any medical advisors is always a good first step.

(* Lawyers: I am absolutely NOT stating that Thyroid UK is one such site - just highlighting a general concern of mine about sites of a [i]similar[/i] nature that carry bad information)

Raises an interesting question about whether something is socially unacceptable if practised by a majority of society.

I bet there are plenty of people who are bleating on about how fat people are disgusting and weak whilst sporting a beer belly and above ideal weight (probably many who have been vocal on here).

you do realise that the fatties will one day outnumber the thinnies?

But the percentage of fatties in a given age group will decrease as the age grouping gets older.

So, will the fatties help solve the pension shortfall or will the additional strain on the NHS outweigh this potential shortfall?

Unfortunately, your second option is the right one. Millions more cases of type II diabetes and various other long-term chronic conditions will far outweigh (!) any pension savings.

Even the increase in disability benefits will cancel out pension savings.

I've thought for years that my metabolism runs fast, the amount of chips, beer and cake I get through I've no right to be 11 stone.

If I eat anything and everything and do no exercise I can hit the heady heights of 11 1/2 stone. 6 weeks of iDiet and a relatively big (for me) month on the bike has me down to 11 stone.

I think some people just have different insulin responses.

[i]I think some people just have different insulin responses.[/i]

Well, thats a better place to start looking, than the first law of thermodynamics.
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All I'm saying is please be careful how much faith you put in non-medical websites that run information counter to the well-researched national guidelines, are advised by disbarred doctors and who publish non-rigorous anecdotal studies that would be rejected by mainstream journals*

GrahamS - yes, I agree!

[b]BUT[/b] I shouldn't have to do this!

My experiences, in simplistic terms:

Visit GP and list symptoms, asking could it be hypothyroidism. GP replies, no you're depressed and here's a prescription for anti-depressants. Me - no I'm not, can I have some blood tests please? Eventually agreed.

Go back for results. No you're not hypothyroid, you're depressed. Me - can I try some thyroxine? GP - OK. Go back and report no difference and I asked whether I needed a stronger dose and for longer. GP - no, you're depressed. Me - no I'm not. GP - go and see another GP for a second opinion.

Due to my moving area, I've now seen 5 different GPs and they all want to throw ADs at me. After research, I discovered that GPs follow guidelines from the Royal College of Physicians namely that one blood test, and that blood test alone, deems whether you have a thyroid disorder. Symptoms seem to be secondary!

Personally I feel it's unreasonable to expect GPs to be experts on endocrine disorders but the NHS expects them to manage patients with this. There appears to be a reluctance for referral to an Endocronologist who specialises in thyroid disorders.

Having a thyroid disorder entitles you to free Thyroxine AND all other prescriptions. Everything ... free for life.

Some people do well on Thyroxine but some don't and this is the category I fall into. Some people purchase medication from abroad as the NHS won't supply it due to cost. We're pretty poorly treated, imo.

I would argue that the medical world and society should be encouraged to make it well known that being fat/overweight is unacceptable

OK, put me in the stocks on the village green and chuck rotten tomatoes at me. Will that make you feel good?

I get all this insulin stuff... still don't understand why everyone wasn't fat 30-40 years ago when they were still eating plenty of 'staple' food stuffs?

[i]OK, put me in the stocks on the village green and chuck rotten tomatoes at me. Will that make you feel good?[/i]

CG.

Don't take that personally, I feel you've been very articulate and open about your issue and I for one, do sympathize with how having a malfunctioning Thyroid will disrupt your body's ability to do stuff, such as regulate fat accumulation, in the way a person who's thyroid is working within [i]Normal[/i] limits.

[i]'staple' food stuffs[/i]

Please define.
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Yep agree TSY! I personally feel that food manufacturers need to be bought into line by the Government and a lot of rubbish foods shouldn't be permitted on the shelves.

Whilst it's cheaper for folk to buy ready meals, MaccyDs etc., their addiction to sugar will continue.

Most staple foods derive either from cereals such as wheat, barley, rye, maize, or rice, or starchy tubers or root vegetables such as potatoes, yams, taro, and cassava.[2] Other staple foods include pulses (dried legumes), sago (derived from the pith of the sago palm tree), and fruits such as breadfruit and plantains.[3] Staple foods may also contain, depending on the region, sorghum, olive oil, coconut oil and sugar.[4][5][6]

TSY.

Actually, in that Taubes video, he states that his research took him back to the later half of the 19th Century.
German and Austrian scientists even then were looking at fat management, etc.

I hadn't realised how many pounds I had put on recently until someone called me an "Ennis" yesterday.

TSY

Fifty years ago we walked to school, or rode a bike, in all weathers. We didn't have central heating and clothing was both less insulating and heavier. As children we were encouraged to go out and play. And generally jobs needed more physical work and less sitting at desks. The money was poor but the hours were long.

Young people today, they don't....

Auntie C_G - (medical conditions accepted) the problem is that people are too ****ing lazy. You could make that stuff expensive and people would still buy it... because it's convenient and they're lazy.

"I don't have time to cook"

BS - you're just too bloody lazy. Make time.

All diets that work have their foundations in proper home cooked food.

Proper home cooked food is why people weren't fat IMO. It's why people aren't fat now. None of all this other stuff that's spouted, there is no magic, there is no secret, just make your food yourself.

Miketually seems to eat a ton of bread... he cooks it himself.

food manufacturers need to be bought into line by the Government

FFS people need to take responsibility for their own behaviour.

* endless list
i am big boned
I just put on weight easily
i dont eat that much
its not my fault
It generally is your fault you are overweight a syou control what you eat
etc

EDIT: yes they are lazy too good point TSY i was going to mention it but I could only be arsed making one point per post

science question:

how does having a thyroid problem influence fat storage other than a lower/higher basal metabolic rate meaning the body burns less or more calories over the course of a set time period?

solo i expect you to research and present a paper on the subject 😀

CG, i'm not questioning your situation with this post, i'm just intrigued in the science between thyroid stuff and weight gain....

i've worked with patients who have various thyroid disorders (hypo being pretty linked with depression in my anecdotal experience) and even with getting the thyroxine level right, the individual still has to work hard at adjusting their diet to meet their metabolic rate, not adjusting the meds to their diet (again, CG i'm not accusing you of doing this!)

just curious 🙂

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Proper home cooked food is why people weren't fat IMO. It's why people aren't fat now. None of all this other stuff that's spouted, there is no magic, there is no secret, just make your food yourself.

hmmmm, that's all well and good but look at nigella, she cooks stuff and she's not exactly slimmer of the year! or look at mrsconsequence's dad... he loves cooking from scratch, loadsa inventive meals, but all it takes is beer and we've got a big belly to contend with no matter how healthy you cook!

And what CG says about GPs and thyroid troubles matches my experience of GPs and Lyme Disease.

[i]'But you only get that in the New Forest'[/i] will do for now.

Taubes selectively picked pieces of information to sell a book IMO. Those German/Austrian scientists were having fun with real life human guinea pigs...

The obesity epidemic wasn't arround 40 years ago however Taubes wants to spin it.

TSY - I guess you know about WW2 rationing in the UK, the story being that the limited supply meant everyone ate all that was available, getting all the right vits and nuts, leading to a taller generation of teenagers/young adults. Allegedly. Because they had enough but not too much.

Also allegedly, Churchill asked to be shown an example of what the ration diet allowed per person. A minion was sent out and returned with a week's worth of food for one, which was laid out on a table for the Great Man's inspection. Yes, he said, that would suffice nicely for a day'. No-one dared tell him.

BS - you're just too bloody lazy. Make time.

All diets that work have their foundations in proper home cooked food.

We could turn this into a 'when wives stayed at home and cooked and cleaned and stuff' thread 😉

FWIW - my wife is [and has been for the last 26 years] a housewife
Homemade steak and kidney pie, roasties, yorkshires and veg from the garden for us last night and I'm still losing weight 🙂

TSY.

Thanks for the reply.

I'm trying to get back to you with some stuff.
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Wow !.
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[i]still don't understand why everyone wasn't fat 30-40 years ago[/i]

Lifestyle.
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I get all this insulin stuff... still don't understand why everyone wasn't fat 30-40 years ago when they were still eating plenty of 'staple' food stuffs?

My guess: Changes in everyday exercise levels and a huge increase in sugar consumption.

Personally I feel it's unreasonable to expect GPs to be experts on endocrine disorders but the NHS expects them to manage patients with this. There appears to be a reluctance for referral to an Endocronologist who specialises in thyroid disorders.

Sadly that is a common problem with just about any specialist area in the NHS. GPs are the first line generalists, expected to be able to identify the coarse issue behind every condition and then refer to the appropriate specialists where required. That's just not a realistic approach these days in my opinion. But I don't know what is.

(My missus is an endocrinologist by the way - but any opinions I express here are mine [u]not[/u] hers)

the individual still has to work hard at adjusting their diet to meet their metabolic rate, not adjusting the meds to their diet

Agreed. (I am about to be a little blunt for which I apologise in advance) c_g: you said earlier that you'd gone from [i]"size 10 to size 18 in 3 years"[/i] but that [i]"my eating habits haven't changed"[/i].

Isn't that part of the issue? You've been diagnosed with a condition which has significantly altered your metabolism, but you haven't significantly altered your eating habits to adjust for it.

To draw a parallel: if one of the skinny wonderboys on here, that eat loads of food but burn it off with a fast metabolism, had a nasty crash and was suddenly unable to do any exercise, then their metabolic rate would start to drop. If they kept eating what they had been eating previously they would then put on weight.

You don't like Taubes ?.

How about some Lustig ?.

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[i]huge increase in sugar consumption[/i]

Bingo !.
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Miketually seems to eat a ton of bread... he cooks it himself.

I bake one loaf a week. I eat most on the cheat day and the family have some. I sometimes have a slice or two toasted with my breakfast on other days.

It's home-made so there's no sugar added. It's sourdough with very long fermentation times (two lots of 24 hours) which makes it much lower GI than bought bread.

Plus, I'm not a biffer, so it matters less if I cheat 🙂

Changes in everyday exercise levels and a huge increase in sugar consumption

Move less and eat more.

Lifestyle

Move less and eat more?

Fifty years ago we walked to school, or rode a bike, in all weathers.

Move more?

I guess you know about WW2 rationing in the UK,

Eat less?

Lol @ TSY.

Now who's [i]spinning[/i] stuff ?.

You love muddying the water, dont you TSY.
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[i]Lifestyle

Move less and eat more?

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The first 40 seconds, please.
you have 40 seconds, don't you ?.
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Not really Solo.

Granted don't eat loads of sugar... don't need a degree to work that one out.

Other than that how does 'lifestyle' influence the levels of obesity?

Oh right - we're fat because we're stressed. Because we're stressed we eat comfort foods?

Some people need 'tough love'.

[i]Granted don't eat loads of sugar... don't need a degree to work that one out.

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[i]Other than that how does 'lifestyle' influence the levels of obesity?[/i]

Aw, TSY, Are we argumentative today ?.

You gonna pick on ole Solo again.
And there was me thinking we'd made-up.
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am i missing something here?
TSY talking sense and Solo appears to be goading

As he says it aint rocket science for most folk eat less move more

"In 1822, the average American ate the amount of sugar found in one of today's 12-ounce sodas every 5 days. Now, we eat that much every 7 hours."

- http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-19/news/31076374_1_chart-capita-american

Can't remember the source, but apparently the American obesity problem started during the Depression, when the total number of calories people were consuming was relatively low, but grains and sugar had started to be eaten in greater numbers.

I'm not picking on you Solo... I'm just putting across my view and seeking answers to my questions.

[i]Oh right - we're fat because we're stressed. Because we're stressed we eat comfort foods?

Some people need 'tough love'.

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Err, not really.

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Careful, its minutes long !, and he is a professor.
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[i]As he says it aint rocket science for most folk eat less move more

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To address what ?, ants in your pants ?.

Oh, I laughed.

If only I had a fiver for everytime someone has posted that on this thread.

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[i]I'm not picking on you Solo... I'm just prejudiced [s]utting across my view and seeking answers to[/s] in my questions. [/i]

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As he says it aint rocket science for most folk eat less move more

You just DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!!!

*runs out of the room crying*