No Bombadillo, I think you'll find what you said yesterday was - "just watched the news, absolute disgust at the left wing do good hooligans that have got nothing better to do than hound and harras a politician who has been elected by the british public.disgusting behaviour."
Slight difference, I think.
Barnsleymitch - what happened in the Barnsley by election last week? Saw the counting but never saw the result?
[u]The disappointing thing is that showing someone to be a nasty, bigoted individual who doesn't believe in fairness for all doesn't necessarily put some people off. [/u]
I'm as British as anyone, but the representatives of the BNP do not speak for me.
As I'd said earlier, It would have been better to allow BNP man to give his views on day-to-day issues after the initial discrediting of him. Having said that, a lot of "repressed-and-hard-done-to-because-the-Daily Mail-and-Express-tell-them-they-are' white British people would probably like the sound of his policies, no matter how unfeasible or unpleasant 🙄
[i]First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.[/i]
mitch, and read what i said later.
you and your protest about anything people blew it all out of proportion and look what happened.
**** me he will end up with a knighthood if the soft left carry on like they are.. 🙄
I'm as British as anyone, but the BNP do (sp) does 🙂 not speak for me.
rogerthecat - it's often been said that if you dressed a donkey in a red jacket in Barnsley, it would get voted in, and while that's still true (up to a point), the BNP got a large amount of the vote here - shameful, bloody shameful.
bombadillo - junkyard, he will not be the 1st of last politician to be a lying ****er then will he. the most famous one being mrs thatcher.
My point os that he lies about what he has actually said and what he actually believes. Whilst we could argue about whether we trust politicians or not or whether they give slants/spin to their view point BNP NG goes so much further. He clearly is a racist as indicated by his conviction. He clearly is a holocaust denier but does not want to talk about it. He clearly is more radical than he says publicly as demonstarated by the recordings of him speaking to BNP audiences /sharing platforms with the KKK etc. His lies are about his actual beliefs and objectives. his version of white lies are not like normal politicians white lies are they?
you are correct mate. i stand corrected.
OK - I've made it clear here with previous comments, that I think the BNP are an odious bunch of cretins, for both their disgusting racist policies, and also separately the fact that I despise their totalitarian social and economic policies - however I'll defend their right to free speech, simply because I honestly believe that unless they are actually breaking the law, they ought to have that freedom.
I also think that one has to be carful in terminology, as there's a strong argument that the BNP is not Fascist but National Socialist, equally as disgusting an ethos but a fine and technical distinction that I think has significant merit -
I don't think its actually wrong for Griffin, or anyone to question the exact figures involved in the genocide of the Jews and other racial and social minorities during WW2, as long as they do not try to deny that millions were killed - the figure of six million does appear to be an estimate, however its pretty irrelevant (in so much as the death of this many people could ever be called irrelevant) whether it was four, five, six or seven million, the horror and gravity of the crime involved remains beyond comprehension or excuse. However I realise the reason exactly why they choose to call it into question, and preventing the debate does not make it go away, what it needs is robust argument in return to prove or disprove the figures and rip apart his claims.
Its also fair for people to question the policies of immigration and multiculturalism, without being [i]automatically [/i]labelled as racist, or critisise any and all religions for things that they say without being labelled as racist - there are valid concerns and debates to be had about the direction and changes that culture has taken in our country over the past generation, some of which may involve race, religion and immigration, and many other debates that do not involve those topics, but other ones that may cause offence such as sex, crime and poverty - all of them require open, honest and thorough debate without censorship for fear of someone taking offence.
Whats needed, is extensive and analytical breakdown and critique of what Griffin and his mates say - let them say it, then publish exactly what the counter argument is - just like Dimbelby took apart his claims last night when he claimed he was misquoted - the best way of dealing with the BNP is absolute sunlight and transparency, trying to close down the debate and hope that the nutters will go away has not worked, the bigots thrive on ignorance and intolerance, the solution to this is information and education through debate, however painful the discussions may be.
Freeee-eeee-eeee nick griffin...Sorry doesn't scan.
But I think you'll find
[b]Kiiiiii-iiiick Nick in the balls[/b]
does a bit
My god - has someone hacked Zulus account?
Thats about the most sensible thing I have seen you pot!
One point - Griffen has made it clear he believes Auschwitz and the other death camps were a hoax. He is not questioning the numbers killed - he clearly stated that there was no policy of mass killings - no "final solution"
and also separately the fact that I despise their totalitarian social and economic policies - however I'll defend their right to free speech, simply because I honestly believe that unless they are actually breaking the law, they ought to have that freedom.
That's where you're going wrong. free speech and democracy are not for everyone, only for those that ernie thinks deserve it. The fact that griffen actually has some form of democratic mandate is lost on him because he doesn't believe in any form of democracy not sanctioned by him. A bit like Stalin.
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BigButSlimmerBloke - Memberand also separately the fact that I despise their totalitarian social and economic policies - however I'll defend their right to free speech, simply because I honestly believe that unless they are actually breaking the law, they ought to have that freedom.
That's where you're going wrong. free speech and democracy are not for everyone, only for those that ernie thinks deserve it. The fact that griffen actually has some form of democratic mandate is lost on him because he doesn't believe in any form of democracy not sanctioned by him. A bit like Stalin.
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LOL @ BigButtSlimmerBloke !
A whole post dedicated just to me, and not even in response to a specific point which I've made....... just a generalised personal attack ! 😀
Although I'm touched, I really don't think I deserve so much attention !
I'm happy to make my point and leave it at that. Perfectly content in the knowledge that it will almost certainly have minimal if any, effect on the discussion. But presumably BigBut, you consider all my posts too dangerous to be ignored !
I'll tell you what BigButSlimmerBloke, why don't you restrict your comments/challenges/attacks on me, to specific points I make, and I am sure others can work out for themselves whether or not I stand for "truth, justice, and the American way". Don't insult their intelligence by assuming that you have to do their thinking for them.
It's nice to know that you give me so much credit - undeserved imo I hasten to add, but try to refrain using a thread on Nick griffin, to give your personal opinions on ernie_lynch.....start another thread if you want to do that.
Now, is there a specific point you want to make concerning one of my posts ?
start another thread if you want to do that.
[url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/a-serious-question-for-ernie-lynch#post-788968 ]someone tried that but no response :-([/url]
just a generalised personal attack !
think of it as a win 🙂 I always do.
Yeah right.........you mean because I am prepared to talk about an "untouchable" subject, ie immigration ? Is that why you accuse me of, quote : "rabble rousing" ? ffsListen mate, I've got things to do, so if you bother to reply to my post, I doubt whether I will be arsed to respond back.
I'm not particularly looking to extend this particular thread as its original issues have been well debated. However, I couldn't let this tripe go unanswered.
The response is very simple ernie. I have already responded to your point, and doing the online equivalent of beating your chest and being all macho will neither act as a sufficent response, nor will it intimidate me. I like you have better things to do, but I will not be browbeaten by some self professed expert on all matters who likes the sound of his own keyboard!
