I think we should change the libel laws to make organisations who circulate libellous material partially responsible for them. It would open the opportunity for individuals or groups harmed by these recirculations to take their case to court.
That would likely have ensured this guy didn’t have a knife but a gun to go on the attack with. It’s an escalation, the last thing we need.
This deserves more introspection.
In the UK we have a Knife Crime problem. The reason for this is because criminals and thugs have little reason to carry guns. Other gangers probably don't have guns, the popo aren't carrying guns except as an extraordinary response, so if you're someone predisposed to walking around with your pants falling down thinking you're the cock of the walk then you don't need a gun. Gardening implements and a bad attitude will suffice.
It's awful of course, but on balance I think I'd prefer living in a society where going "tooled up" involves actual tools, and some teenager with a blade is shocking headline news rather than them strolling into a shopping mall to exercise their constitutional rights with an assault rifle.
Would’ve been nice for the first few posts to focus on the horrific attack and how we’ve got here, rather than some fringe mentalist in the US who wrote lies that was reposted by right wing nutters
If the thread had been 'Southport tragedy' and then people jumped straight on the who's to blame for spreading false dogwhistle rumours I might agree, but 'Bad actors stoking hate' kind of encapsulates what is being discussed.
Argue that we should have had 'Southport tragedy' first and then this one if you want, but there's not a parent, not a decent human* that isn't shocked and saddened by this.
* inevitably there will be some ****s that even though they'll outwardly be saying the right stuff, will actually see this as acceptable collateral damage in their war to stoke up division and hatred. Hurts me to say it but there will be. That's who we're up against, make no mistake.
The reason for this is because criminals and thugs have little reason to carry guns
“The reason for this is because criminals and thugs have reasonably poor access to firearms” would be more accurate.
National Strategic Assessment that criminals and thugs will use them if they have them: Urban street gang activity accounts for most firearm discharges, including those that result in injury. The key drivers for firearms enabled serious violence is the drugs trade, ‘turf wars’, criminal debt and feuds. Some of these criminal feuds are long-standing and result in periodic escalations of violence.
I have to say this terrible act has hit me harder than I realised. Most probably I guess because I'm local, less than a mile away with children around the same age but still, not used to feeling so emotional over an event in the news. Just the senselessness I guess. Mood is very sombre here. One of the kids goes to the same school as mine. Just can't compute it right now.
Stevet1
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I have to say this terrible act has hit me harder than I realised. Most probably I guess because I’m local, less than a mile away with children around the same age but still, not used to feeling so emotional over an event in the news. Just the senselessness I guess. Mood is very sombre here. One of the kids goes to the same school as mine. Just can’t compute it right now.
That's a very human response mate and I think being physically close to where an atrocity happened makes it even more impactful.
Would be nice if this thread had focused on 3 young girls, all under 10, killed in an absolutely horrific attack, and 9 others in critical condition, those parents of the children who have died must be going through hell, start of the summer holidays, send your kid off to a summer camp event and they never come home, should be the happiest times of their lives, and now, i don’t even have a guess on how much pain and misery is running through their heads.
Anyway, i’ll let you guys get back to caring more about daft posts and the likes that have been around since the internet was invented.
The thread was specifically about how the crazies of the internet will do whatever they can to provoke hate and division.
If you don't like that, maybe instead of sneering at people who do wish to discuss that, you could go and start a threads which is specifically about the tragedy itself.
You are well wide of the mark on this one.
rogermoore
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Looks like the bad actors have stoked up trouble. Desperately sad, all of it.RM.
Oh dear, yeah. Why did I have to look on X again. Time to knock it on the head again for a few months.
Plenty on there fueling the "protest" tonight. I despair.
relapsed_mandalorianFull Member
right wing nutters,
If it’s even them
Rioters are currently shouting "Tommy Robinson"
I think we should change the libel laws to make organisations who circulate libellous material partially responsible for them. It would open the opportunity for individuals or groups harmed by these recirculations to take their case to court.
Can you imagine the scale of the 502 Club appeals if STW were liable for some of the bollocks we spout on here?
(Consider this a winking humour emoji)
You are well wide of the mark on this one.
Yeah, lets talk about changing the legislation for idiots posting on the internet like they have since the 90s, instead of focusing on a horrific knife crime that's resulted in 3 deaths and many serious injuries.
Well wide of the mark focusing on the tragedy that occurred rather than someone in the US posting todays dose of fake news.
Just had to drive across town and it's kicking off big time. The whole tragedy is being hijacked.
Well wide of the mark focusing on the tragedy that occurred rather than someone in the US posting todays dose of fake news.
And yet as a result of the hare being whipped up the 'patriots' are trying to burn down a mosque, are attack a police and have set a police van on fire.....
Rioters are currently shouting “Tommy Robinson”
JFC. This the same bloke who has done a runner out the country because he was about to be lifted? My response was more directed at the online misinformation, no doubt in my mind that it's being enhanced by some proper shitheads as well as the wobbleheaded bigots.
You know they're going to view themselves as 'heroes' & 'patriots' for 'taking a stand'. All the while some families are in absolute turmoil trying to process a very vivid version of hell that's just been visited on them.
Shit c***s.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
- A public order instructor, 2004.
What a way the honour the memory of the poor dead school children. Aghast.
What a way the honour the memory of the poor dead school children. Aghast.
Sadly it's not about that in the slightest. This is a deliberate and selfish act with zero consideration for those little kids and their families.
They're so full of fear and hate that logic has left the room (if it was even there in the first place).
And yet as a result of the hare being whipped up the ‘patriots’ are trying to burn down a mosque, are attack a police and have set a police van on fire…..
And they wouldn't be doing that if some fake report last night in the US was released, i don't think the actual child of Rwandan parents press release has lessened the EDL and all their hatred!
What an absolute horrific of a thing to do to little children.
One thing is guaranteed is that he wont lasr long in prison with a big X on his baxk. Lwts hope he suffers.
They’re so full of fear and hate that logic has left the room (if it was even there in the first place).
I am not sure in some cases it is "fear and hate" vs deliberate stoking. I am guessing some people are very happy with the results so far as depressing as it is to write that.
If its anything like the mosques round here they have now terrified some more poor kids. I would like to think some of those involved will feel shit about it...
Probably a caustic mix of the two elements I'd imagine. With some third party stoking to boot.
Typical bigoted pricks believing any old nonsense.
Some of the emergency services that responded to yesterday's attack are now being attacked by the mob.
WTF goes through the mind of these people. As I said earlier
inevitably there will be some ****s that even though they’ll outwardly be saying the right stuff, will actually see this as acceptable collateral damage in their war to stoke up division and hatred. Hurts me to say it but there will be. That’s who we’re up against, make no mistake.
- and already it has started.
Listened to Radcliffe and Macony on catch up on the chain today.
the woman on the chain was less than adorable to Southport. Says she is under her bed eating her words
The Police should name the suspect, as it has been done with Huw Edwards.
By not giving all the facts, hearsay and speculation starts.
Huw Edwards is over 18.
I can follow the thought process that someone who had been deceived by online misinformation that this was an Islamic terrorist plot and decide to go attack the local mosque.
(I obviously neither support nor condone it, but I can see the logic from the hard of thinking population).
But what is their reasoning between attacking police and general rioting? What is the idiots logic behind either of these actions?
And this is why I thought the thread title more appropriate to discuss than the actual horrific events. What's now transpiring is doing so much damage to our social cohesion. I despair.
State of southport is unreal.
My neice is the same age and lives close to the area and does activities there.
Everyone is in shock then the racist coked up gobshites get the train on and riot... ****s sake
The Police should name the suspect, as it has been done with Huw Edwards.
Leaving aside the fact the person who has been arrested is 17 Hue Edwards was arrested in November of last year and charged last month. Hence the rather stupid headline saying he had kept it secret from friends, ermmm no shit sherlock. I think its in the news now because he is due to appear in court tomorrow.
But what is their reasoning between attacking police and general rioting? What is the idiots logic behind either of these actions?
Because they view the police as part of the establishment enabling what they perceive as an 'attack on our values' or some such shite.
And this is why I thought the thread title more appropriate to discuss than the actual horrific events. What’s now transpiring is doing so much damage to our social cohesion. I despair.
They know who the 17 year old is in the area, the press have interviewed their old neighbours and so on, yes they cannot name the person, but nobody in that area believes it's al araki who arrived on a dinghy last year, they know it's a 17 year old born and bred in the UK, to Rwandan parents, you think the BNP, National Front, etc cared much about the false flags on the internet when they knew the realiy?!
.... and this person is a multiple child killer.
Attacking the Police is unacceptable, as those did at Manchester airport and now it seems in Southport.
you think the BNP, National Front, etc cared much about the false flags on the internet when they knew the realiy?!
It's the false flags that gave them the excuse.
By not giving all the facts, hearsay and speculation starts.
There are good and proper reasons for this. What starts that which you have named is random idiots who feel entitled to privileged information who are wholly unconnected to the events and lack the EQ to manage their own emotions appropriately.
Arrogant, nosey mouth-breathers who could do well to learn some patience and actually put at the forefront of their minds those directly impacted instead of their own selfish wants.
They know who the 17 year old is in the area, the press have interviewed their old neighbours and so on, yes they cannot name the person, but nobody in that area believes it’s al araki who arrived on a dinghy last year
there’s an irony in the fact that if one of those neighbours leaked the name of the 17yo they would be commiting a crime; yet those who deliberately ‘named’ the fake forin-sounding attacker get away Scott free with what they have caused.
Poetry, karma dildo, epic, life changing, life affirming, godlike.
None if that even remotely sums up the elegance of this video.
It demands an oscar, I demand it gets an oscar. I want it mate into a mini series.
https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1818403874513838295
I'm in what I hoped had been the latter stages of recovery from some broken ribs. That video has made me laugh, quite hard. Recovery may be set back a week or so.
Totally worth it. God I miss public order training.
Whatever happened to rule 1 eh.
Also don't they all have jobs to go to in the morning or did they book it off.
Also don’t they all have jobs to go to in the morning or did they book it off.
I reckon that fella in the grey might be self-certifying for a few days: rocks to the head & bollocks and soul crushing humiliation immortalised forever more is worth a few days rest.
I reckon that fella in the grey might be self-certifying for a few days: rocks to the head & bollocks and soul crushing humiliation immortalised forever more is worth a few days rest.
And enough facetime and sufficiently viral inducing that with luck there will be no job to go back to.
Those scenes could be enough to make you embarrassed to be white. How truly horrific for the families involved tonight. And for any member of the emergency services involved yesterday then finding themselves attacked today. I despair.
Edit : can't do the link
Try this
https://twitter.com/plinketyplink2/status/1818383624179470779
Yeah that works. Same guy ^^ earlier
