All commercial advertising on SM is regulated in exactly the same way.
All SM providers have other ways of charging to get attention.
I don’t want state interference in what I choose to view.
TV is regulated. Advertising is regulated. There is no moral case for total deregulation of social media.
As I said; it’s like blaming the knife for the stabbing.
I agree with much of what you typed, but yeah - not a great analogy to bolster your point. The controlling and banning of carrying of most knives was put in for sensible reasons. A weapon is not destructive without a malevolent person behind it, but as a tool to meet an end it makes and ineffectual person much more impactful.
There is no moral case for total deregulation of social media.
In your opinion. I happen to disagree with that point of view.
In your opinion. I happen to disagree with that point of view.
Have you actually been watching the news for the past week?
Just an insight from the mind of the GBN-watching Farage lover (my boss)
- Starmer is a disgrace, as the two-tier policing is massively biased in favour of the Muslims. Police are telling the Muslims to hide their weapons so that they don't get arrested.
- The far left counter protestors are just as violent, yet none have been arrested.
- Soon there will be civil war, and the Muslims will be out hacking white people with machetes.
- "They" are attempting to buy a private island in Scotland to establish Sharia Law.
Starmer is a disgrace, as the two-tier policing is massively biased in favour of the Muslims. Police are telling the Muslims to hide their weapons so that they don’t get arrested.
I heard this from a couple of mates in the pub last night. I'm having to work overtime in trying to put them right. It goes back to SM again, I have no doubt they're saying this because they've read something on facebook or twitter which has been added to their feeds based on their browsing habits. If they didn't see that stuff, they wouldn't even have an opinion on it.
It’s the non-commercial traffic that is the problem. But how do you stop that without impinging on freedom of speech?
why do some people have such difficulty understanding this: It's not "just typing something on the internet", it's publishing something, possibly for all time, to potentially millions of people. There needs to be accountability, responsibility, and consequences.
As if by magic, the following headline has just pinged up on my phone "Man, 28, becomes first person to be charged with stirring racial hatred online in relation to current violent disorder in UK". How is that not a good thing??
As an aside, why do people think that "freedom of speech" i.e. I can say what I like, to who I like, is a thing in the UK, or ever has been? Too many US cop shows I guess?
Is this fact, or simply your perception?
I'm no expert so a lot of this is perception and what I've read or heard in docus etc. It's my experience of SM, using it to build up something positive (first-hand exp of the positive effect of viral growth) as well as just viewing/using generally. I see what that YouTube puts into my feed and I know it comes from a profile where they relate one interest to pushing you a load of stuff that's not positive imho. Instagram is the same and has gone down the pan under Meta ownership. I know how tiktok works (I don't use it).
The truth is that it’s all about generating revenue, and if negative stuff is used to do that, that’s just an unfortunate unintended consequence.
Isn't that saying the same thing I'm suggesting? And I'm not sure about 'unintended' but that's just a hunch not a fact. They know what gets people's attention and it's convenient and easy to blame the user. Cigarettes themselves don't kill people, it's their addiction and their fault, right?
I don't doubt SM has had a bit of an internal review in recent years but the fact is it knows how to push buttons and human nature is to be triggered and react. SM does that and refines that process, as you say, because it's all about profit. So in a way I agree with you that we're/society is the problem but I see SM as a parasite feeding off our own flaws and amplifying them, it's really not resolving them.
it’s like blaming the knife for the stabbing.
SM gets into peoples heads and will be far more likely to be influential in a stabbing than the knife itself.
SM is not the main cause of our problems but it is a generator, a catalyst and an amplifier. All the problems we have existed before SM yet since ~2010 look at the rates of eating disorders, suicides or mental health issues particularly among teenagers since then. Other factors come into it and correlation isn't causation yet see how often SM comes up in their stories. SM can help people finds support, I'll have a £10 on it being the fuel on the flames first, because engagement and rabbit hole pulls are how it makes its money.
It's not as simple as 'blaming SM' but SM has a lot to answer for. imo when it comes to using the power it has for the greater good it appears to have failed more often than succeeded. Convince me otherwise.. I'm not a person with fixed views.
^ And what is it they say about SM .. 'if you don't pay for the product, you are the product'. But I'm sure they have my best interests at heart rather than their profits.
My wife works in Brighton and has been informed from a reliable source there are likely to be riots in the centre tomorrow.....FFS
Pretty irrelevant anyway isn’t it, ‘cos you can set up a dummy account, join the group and monitor what is going on anyway.
Which will still be logged to your IP address and hardware.
@funkydunc there is a massive difference between a forum and algorithm driven sites like Twitter/Meta. If you don't understand the difference you really aren't in a position to comment.
True but the vast majority of people are not going to go to the effort of installing VPN software on their computers, phones and internet routers. A few dedicated tech-savvy types will do it but no one else will bother.
I don't think that's true. My Google Pixel phone comes with a VPN pre installed. All that is required to switch it on is to touch the icon. No installation, effort or tech savvyness required.
I don’t think that’s true. My Google Pixel phone comes with a VPN pre installed.
That's easy to regulate too.
Apparently Salford Precinct expecting trouble later. We're just over the river.
This isn't helping my 'very english' Indian colleague as her son and a friend are off to the Trafford Centre. She's worried sick at the moment after a lad was targeted and beaten up in Manchester at weekend. She's been reduced to tears this morning. What is the UK coming to.
My Google Pixel phone comes with a VPN pre installed. All that is required to switch it on is to touch the icon. No installation, effort or tech savvyness required.
it's good that people with no tech savviness are using it then, they probably think Google couldn't (or wouldn't) provide a log of their browsing history to the authorities, if subjected to a court order 🙂
Which will still be logged to your IP address and hardware.
I thought his point was that GCHQ doesn't need to break any encryption, they can just create an account, log onto the groups, and sit there taking notes.
Even I do the same, a local car club uses the park and ride to drift and generally sit there smashing their Fiesta ST's rev limiter for hours every weekend. At its worst it was reported that 300 cars turned up from all over London, Southampton, Oxford, Swindon, Birmingham.
Now I can call the police before they even arrive which seems to have had the desired effect. No one drives from Birmingham to Reading to spend the evening being tailed from car park to car park by the police.
*Bodykit only 1.2
Part of the problem of SM is its real time nature. The 'old' adage "lies are half way around the world before truth has its shoes on" demonstrates at least that this has been an issue since the advent of mass media. Force SM to moderate properly, force them to stop promoting emotional tools and notifications, and force them to become publishers - there's a reason that last one has been dragging its way through courts all over the world. Align them with the same legislation that every other publisher manages to comply with.
it’s good that people with no tech savviness are using it then, they probably think Google couldn’t (or wouldn’t) provide a log of their browsing history to the authorities, if subjected to a court order 🙂
But the claim was made in the context of people using a VPN to access X in another country if there were controls on it here.
Even if it was felt to be legal and proportionate to issue a court order to prevent that, could they process the millions of court orders they would need to stop ot?
does that Google VPN even allow you to send your traffic via another country?
I've no idea, I've never tried. But even if it doesn't, the others who bombard me with their adverts and free offers on every podcast and YT video probably do. I just can't see scrutinising the phone of everyone with a VPN or banning VPNs as being any kind of solution.
Definitely not the social media platforms at fault...
https://twitter.com/i/trending/1820799574241427552
Nothing wrong with a VPN. I use them all the time to protect my data from those who'd steal it or my identity or sell it on. I strongly advise anyone to do likewise. Yes, of course they can be used for nefarious purposes but then so can a butter knife...gonna ban them as well?...
My wife works in Brighton and has been informed from a reliable source there are likely to be riots in the centre tomorrow…..FFS
The target is Raj Ryan solicitors in Queens Street. Although I suspect that it is highly likely that it won't happen. These targets are selected by individuals and what happens depends on who turns up, the size of the counter demonstration, and the size of the police presence.
I would imagine that the situation is stacked against the homophobic far-right in Brighton
Definitely not the social media platforms at fault…
Is grok the contents of elons **** sock?
Just go after X’s and Facebook’s revenues in the UK and they’ll clean themselves up pretty quick. They’re large companies with very expensive operations. No need to fuss about technical solutions.
Stand up to Racism have put up a list of locations to demonstrate/counter demonstrate support for various pro-immigration organisations that have supposedly been targeted by the EDL types for tomorrow. One of the locations is in Derby. Very torn between cancelling my plans to go and show support, and carrying on with my plans and keeping the **** out the way.
Discretion likely to be the better part of valour.
I was under the impression that the Space Karen Edgelord was happy to trade profits for edginess.
One of the locations is in Derby. Very torn between cancelling my plans to go and show support, and carrying on with my plans and keeping the **** out the way.
yeah, one of them (a 'lefty lawyer' that deals with immigration) is less than a mile from my house. My chronic fatigue comprehensively rules it out (i could barely walk there, let alone stand there for a few hours), but if I was healthy I'd be debating whether to go and show support or just stay away.
I thought his point was that GCHQ doesn’t need to break any encryption, they can just create an account, log onto the groups, and sit there taking notes.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Lots of people seem to think they are hidden, as they are arranging all their meet-ups on Telegram. But anybody can join those groups, nobody checks who you are. Journalists at The Times are members of some of them and are highlighting the plans for this evening, for example.
Guess the only more difficult bit is linking the online account with a real person.
I see the Birmingham pub has thanked the representatives from the Mosque for their apologies and offer to pay for the broken windows.
I wonder what response I’ll get from Facebook ? A local free paper the Somerset Leveller posted an article where Tommy Robinson urges people to rise up in Yeovil next Sunday . I reported it to FB as they warned me recently when I quoted the Bob Marley song Small Axe that I was potentially inciting violence?
Re the muslim protesters being told to hide their weapons. There was a snippet on BBC news recently of a senior police officer who was Asian. He was addressing a group of counter-protesters and actually used the phrase "If you've got any weapons, get rid of them now"
Now it doesn't take a particular level of genius to realise he was telling them not to carry weapons, but the phrase was, I believe badly thought out. It was ambiguous enough to be instantly misinterpreted by those who would spread misinformation. At best it can be generously interpreted as meaning "Do yourselves a favour guys and throw away any weapons" but knowing what we do, the best way to put it is simply "If you are carrying weapons you will be arrested."
It seems such a casual mistake, but , like many other things, shows a lack of awareness.
A google search result shows just how much this has been seized on by the usual suspects.
they warned me recently when I quoted the Bob Marley song Small Axe
I got an Instagram warning last week for violence because I said something looked like "a punched lasagne" yet none of the 100s of racist, homophobic or hate filled posts I report ever get taken down usually because the culprits are smart (or stupid) enough to change one letter in the offensive word or post
Well I for one have finally got fed up of all the bollocks on X and have deactivated my account with the intention of letting be deleted in 30 days.
Re. The Stand Up To Racism counter protests; while admire their commitment I don't think now is the time. I can see it may well just add fuel to the fire of the FRW nutters and see the SUTR lot as a target to attack, creating more problems for the policing and making great footage for the fascist media outlet if your choice.
I got an Instagram warning last week for violence because I said something looked like “a punched lasagne” yet none of the 100s of racist, homophobic or hate filled posts I report ever get taken down usually because the culprits are smart (or stupid) enough to change one letter in the offensive word or post
So the bad spellen is delibrate?
Another morally-bankrupt grifter joins the. ‘I’m not racist but have genuine concerns…’ bandwagon.
https://Twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1820826333871542372?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
We must surely now have reached a critical mass of ****s?
The Stand Up To Racism counter protests; while admire their commitment I don’t think now is the time. I can see it may well just add fuel to the fire of the FRW nutters and see the SUTR lot as a target to attack
It absolutely does make a difference. Why do you think that there have been no "protests" in London? Because the far-right know that the counter protests will be huge and they will be totally overwhelmed. A right-wing mob of 300 is considered very large, but it can easily be dwarfed by a counter protest.
I have heard that the far-right will typically send a scout to film the counter protesters on his phone before going back to the pub to report. If the counter protest is considered too large they simply stay in the pub drinking, otherwise 50 thugs will emerge from the pub looking for what and who they can damage.
Standing up to fascists and racists in the streets is as valid now as it was in the 1930s
Says it all about Sir Kneel Starmer – quote from another online source.
Can you share the full conversation that supposed quote was taken from please?
The Daily Express apparently
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1932803/uk-riots-pm-home-secretary
Couldn't tell you what it says about Sir Kneel Starmer though
Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer and Home Secretary Yvette Cooper have refused to specifically condemn acts of violence in Birmingham as the row over alleged two-tier policing system continues.
Bollocks. They’ve both been on TV condemning all the violence, are you getting your knickers in a twist because they didn’t specifically mention one specific town?
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50257-the-public-reaction-to-the-2024-riots
Opposition to the riots is near-universal across every part of the public, with Reform UK voters being the only group showing any substantive levels of support, at 21%. Even this is a clear minority, with three-quarters of Reform voters (76%) opposed to the riots.
This is one of the reasons why I believe that Nigel Farage's responsibility for fueling the unrest should be relentlessly highlighted by politicians of all parties.
It could seriously damage him politically. Even three quarters of Reform UK are at odds with the unrest ffs, never mind non-Reform voters who might be tempted to vote Reform in the next elections.
This a fairly unique opportunity and one in which Farage has given his opponents an open goal. It would be tragic to miss it.
Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer and Home Secretary Yvette Cooper have refused to specifically condemn acts of violence in Birmingham as the row over alleged two-tier policing system continues.
So this is just a continuation of the election campaign where the right wing press would publish headlines like ‘Starmer refuses to rule out feeding everyone’s cat into a wood chipper and nationalising your nan!’, because he hadn’t actually called a press conference to say ‘I would just like to say that I have no intention of feeding everyone’s cat into a wood chipper or nationalising your nan’
Just utter bollocks basically, designed to appear to the nations harder-of-thinking
It absolutely does make a difference.
Whilst I agree with you Ernie, I do think there is an onus on the counter protesters to be impeccably behaved. It might be "two tier"(thought I'd throw in the phrase of the day) morals and standards but you'd need to turn up knowing you could do it peacefully no matter how much you are provoked. And it's only takes a tiny minority of the counter protesters to get it wrong before it's entirely counter productive.
A well behaved crowd of multiple ethnicities, genders, faiths and ages peacefully providing a barrier between the idiots and their targets could be incredibly impactful. Anything else and you are providing a reason for those 76% of reform voters to become less sure of what's right and wrong. They can't put the PM where he needs to condem violence from all sides.
Me - I think I'd be too inclined to return a thrown stone and hope for a direct hit to the knackers like the viral video to be a reliable counter protesters.
Today I donated money to Stand Up to Racism - the riots are far away from Cornwall (mostly) - but our local MP posted something about attending an event called 'Celebration of Culture' organised by Black Voices Cornwall.
The comments included such gems as "What about white voices of Cornwall"
There is so much work to be done.
Yeah, that’s what I meant. Lots of people seem to think they are hidden, as they are arranging all their meet-ups on Telegram. But anybody can join those groups, nobody checks who you are. Journalists at The Times are members of some of them and are highlighting the plans for this evening, for example.
Guess the only more difficult bit is linking the online account with a real person.
In that sense it's as secure as you make it.
The aforementioned car groups changed the group membership to be by invitation and you had to send a photo of you and your car at an event acting like a dick.
Part of me thought I could setup a group under the same name and with the same rules, get loads of footage then bulk upload it to operation snap ?. I assume if I've thought of it then various police forces have probably had the same idea!
