I wonder how it would be received if a Muslim militant group dressed up in quasi military uniforms and marched through the city centres playing their music and proclaimed their hatred of Christians while celebrating past massacres.
Yeah, imagine
List of people Ninfan loves
Donald Trump
Arlene Foster
Anyone else?
Yeah, imagine
LOL i think zulu is suggesting making the orange order a banned organization !
On one hand it is pointless prevarication on the other it gets a group of idiots together in one place to have their photos taken and logged for future reference.
Tell me the last time you saw those banners in the UK, Ninfan.
You are right on the money klunk. Not often I am agreeing with epic, however the marches ninfan displays do appear unpleasant, so I ask him why does he stick up for orange marches but not what appear to be radical Islam marches. Both seem reprehensible to me, with ordinary people across the UK repulsed by both. Religious bigotry in Scotland from all sides is pretty toxic, and ninfans first sentence on the thread displayed his ignorance, however one is more British in his eyes, so that is ok!
And btw. how many people in those pics ninfan received £1.2bn to help push through government policy? Probably the guy with the ginger beard.
Honestly, Ninfan....might actually have a point to a degree. Plenty of sectarian idiots about, the vitriol aimed at her is probably a bit below the belt - I don't see why people have to stoop to using prejudiced language. I guess it kind of fits with the hilarity of one set of nationalists killing and winding up another set of nationalists though.
Honestly, Ninfan….might actually have a point to a degree.
Come on Tom... What exactly is HRH Princess of blackmailed power doing to make things any better in the UK?
foster - lets see.
Runs a party of bigots
corruptly stole a million pounds
Refuses any compromise politically
deliberately stirs up hatred and violence
so I ask him why does he stick up for orange marches but not what appear to be radical Islam marches.
A good question. Let's wait for the answer.
so I ask him why does he stick up for orange marches but not what appear to be radical Islam marches.
The very point I’m making is that the ‘progressive’ people on here spouting bile against the DUP would be the first to call you racist for seeking to ban muslim marches. I also think the more interesting question is why it’s deemed as acceptable to use the type of abusive and mysoginistic language witnessed on page one of this thread about Arlene Foster when if you posted the same about, say, a prominent Muslim female spokesperson (or pretty much any other woman in the world) you would be castigated, your posts would be moderated and the banhammer would be wielded.
The very point you are making ninfan is that you are wary of Muslim marches, and appear not too keen on them, so you draw equivalence with support for Orange order marches. This does defeat the point of your argument. Two wrongs don't make a right. I agree regarding points made about Fosters appearance. People using that on their reasoning also do themselves no favours.
I am no expert on the type of march you posted in your pics ninfan, as they tend not to happen in Scotland, however some of the placards do look abhorrent and I think many including Muslims would not agree with the sentiment.
You may now be getting an impression of what reasonable people think of the Orange Order, and I struggle to draw comparison between Arlene Foster at a parade with backward looking bigots, and Sadiq Khan at an event celebrating the end of Ramadan. Do the Eid events have an unsavoury tone, or do you find the thought of a celebration of Muslim culture unsettling?
The very point I’m making is that the ‘progressive’ people on here spouting bile against the DUP would be the first to call you racist for seeking to ban muslim marches.
As Orange men are not orange how can they be a race - so it can't possibly be racist...
I also think the more interesting question is why it’s deemed as acceptable to use the type of abusive and mysoginistic language witnessed on page one of this thread about Arlene Foster when if you posted the same about,
Are you reading a different thread? Arsehole of a man was possibly the strangest thing there - Did you just decide to drop that in for no real reason?
do you find the thought of a celebration of Muslim culture unsettling?
I think we know the real answer to that even if he won't publicly admit it...
Arseholes.
As a churchgoing Protestant living in the West of Scotland I had a choice of nine different marches I could have attended yesterday all within a ten mile radius of my house.
This is just a typical Saturday in the summer.
I was woken yesterday morning by the sounds of drums and flutes and was still listening to them when I had my dinner at 5 pm.
They do all of this in the name of religion but, in my entire adult lifetime of attending a good Protestant church, I’ve never met an Orangemen when I was there. Funny that.
Its just an excuse for blatant hatred and tribalism and I’d ban the bloody lot of them.
The very point I’m making is that the ‘progressive’ people on here spouting bile against the DUP would be the first to call you racist for seeking to ban muslim marches
While i agree somewhat, the DUP and the jesters are no different from any alt left/right , islamic /jew( insert religion/ beliefs views) group. Some do it for peace, some for hate. We know what criteria the dup and mime artists come under. There will always be a pro and con , a follower and a rival.
muslim marches
Onve again, seeing as you struggle with this, there's a world of difference between celebrating the end of Eid Vs the jihadi supporting marches you posted up there.
Orange order marches have one purpose only: to wind up Catholics. the only thing worse than the orange order are the knuckle dragging luddites that line the parade route to show their support. You'd probably feel right at home.
As Orange men are not orange how can they be a race – so it can’t possibly be racist…
And what colour are muslims, Einstein?
do you find the thought of a celebration of Muslim culture unsettling?
no more unsettling than you appear to find the celebration of Protestant culture
But I’ll bet you a fiver that if anyone came on here calling Muslims areseholes for holding one, they would be banned.
Orange order marches have one purpose only: to wind up Catholics.
Quick, cancel bonfire night.
Well done ninfan
Was just getting in with your usual defence first....
Still not sure which quotes on page one you are objecting to though
no more unsettling that you appear to find the celebration of Protestant culture
It’s not Protestant culture though.
I’m a Protestant. It’s not my culture.
It’s arsehole culture. I’m beginning to understand why you’re defending it.
It’s not Protestant culture though.
I’m a Protestant. It’s not my culture.
And not all muslims wear the hijab or eat halal meat, Doesn’t mean that it’s not part of their culture though.
Like how eating a bacon buttie doesn’t mean that kosher, bagels and matzos aren’t quintessentially Jewish either.
Good God ninfan, give it up, you're ruining what could be an enlightened<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;"> thread. What the DUP want is not Protestant culture.</span>
ninfan, I bet the people in the photo with placards saying "Islam will dominate the world", and "Jihad to defend Muslims" are arseholes. I dont think I will be banned for saying so. Right then, back to the Orange Order.
What about
what about
what about
Orange order marches have one purpose only: to wind up Catholics.
Na, excuse for a piss up too, and to get the suit on, only other time they wear it is on court dates....
As PP rightly says, it is bugger all to do with the church.
There was a load of those "good muslims" jailed for incitement to murder. **** them and **** the DUP.
You should probably make the eid comparison with Easter egg hunts.
It's a shame to see Ninfan reduced to this as he used to be quite an effective troll.
What the DUP want is not Protestant culture.
You want to read up on your four schools of the reformation more, sonny.
what could be an enlightened thread
“She’s an arsehole of a man.”
How very enlightened...
I am no expert on the type of march you posted in your pics ninfan, as they tend not to happen in Scotland, however some of the placards do look abhorrent and I think many including Muslims would not agree with the sentiment.
I recognise that second photo. It wasn't a "Muslim march," it was a bunch of extremists staging a protest after Bin Laden was killed.
You might as well hold up photos of the EDL as being representative of the English, rather recognising (both of) them for what they are - a hate-filled extremist minority.
I'm all for freedom of speech so this is a difficult one for me. I'd cheerfully see both groups booted out of the country, maybe send them to a remote island and let them sort out their differences Battle Royale style. (-: Maybe the solution is to allow these marches but ban face-coverings at them; anyone who needs to wear a mask clearly knows that they're up to no good.
anyone who needs to wear a mask clearly knows that they’re up to no good
Yep. Those surgeons are a dodgy bunch. 😷😉
😛 Do you get many surgical marches?
Do you get many surgical marches?
Nah. Too risky.
They might cut across a main arterial route.
Maybe the solution is to allow these marches but ban face-coverings at them; anyone who needs to wear a mask clearly knows that they’re up to no good.
Brilliant, looks like we’re both agreed that orange marches are a perfectly acceptable expression of religious freedom then. Cheers.
They might cut across a main arterial route.
Beautifully done, sir.
looks like we’re both agreed that orange marches are a perfectly acceptable expression of religious freedom then.
You can twist anything anyone says to suit your own ends, can't you.
I wasn't talking about the OO, I don't know the first thing about them / NI politics beyond what's been written here. The impression I'm getting is that it's acceptable but probably unwise. But like I say, I've no idea.
Brilliant, looks like we’re both agreed that orange marches are a perfectly acceptable expression of religious freedom then. Cheers.
Personally I'd ban them purely on musical grounds. Once they learn to play in tune with each other I'd have no problem with them marching although that may require a little too much commitment on a regular basis for them to stomach. They'd also need to have routes that aren't designed to deliberately antagonise others on the basis of "tradition".
Got woke up this morning by drums going by my front window.
tbh, my opinion is leave them to it, ignore them is the correct response. I'm pretty certain the general attendance looks older every year, and there's less hangers on. mibbe not as noticeable on the big days they have, but certainly is on the lesser walks. They'll die out naturally imo, no need to do anything. Or even talk about them in the internet.
Let them carry on. Their refusal to let go of their tradition will / is bringing their demise.
So just a quick recap on everyone who might be Arseholes.
Arlene Foster
The DUP
The Orange Order
Some Muslims
Some Protestants
Me
Ninfan.
Surgeons
Batman.
Have I missed anyone out?
The comparison between the DUP and Islamic extremists is a fair one...
Especially as the DUP has received significant funding from a donor with links to the Saudi intelligence services...
Quick reminder; the Saudi state sponsors wahhabism and has inherent links to extremists; see the Terrorism thread for more:
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/terrorism/
For bonus points, can anyone say what links this photo of Charles Blandford Farr (head of the UK's Joint Intelligence Committee), and the DUP receiving funds from terrorist supporting Saudis?
I just saw this represensible individual describing the demonstrations of joy and release evidenced by happy women in the Republic at finally attaining the same rights available to their sex elsewhere in Europe, as "childish antics".
How vile.
I daresay of great concern to her is yet more loosening of the grip on the Republic of the catholic church, in the ongoing process of the gnawing away by secular ethics of the particular set of ludicrous superstitions to which she herself ascribes (in the main, being a member of a particular sub-sect of same)...
For bonus points, can anyone say what links this photo of Charles Blandford Farr (head of the UK’s Joint Intelligence Committee), and the DUP receiving funds from terrorist supporting Saudis?
No we can't. Can you?
It's a photo of people in a room. I've been photographed with Tom Baker, that doesn't make me a Doctor Who companion.
<mod>If you want to make an on-topic point then make it. If you're planning on derailing the thread with pages of photos of people in rooms accompanied by vague whataboutery then I'll give you a week off so that adults* can have a discussion.</mod>
(* - and ninfan)
No bonus points for you I'm afraid Cougy baby
The all have a pulse, they are all cold blooded? One of them is a witch?
There's a clue in here somewhere...
The shadowy donor group that gave the Democratic Unionist Party £425,000 during the Brexit referendum campaign has links to the former Director General of the Saudi intelligence service – also the father of the current Saudi Ambassador to the UK – openDemocracy can reveal.The donation to Arlene Foster’s party – which was used to fund key Leave campaign advertisements across the UK in the run up to the European referendum – was initially kept hidden because of Northern Ireland’s donor secrecy laws. However, under pressure from activists after openDemocracy revealed how Brexit campaigners were funnelling dark money through Northern Ireland to fund “Take Back Control” adverts, the Democratic Unionist Party was forced last night to reveal its major donor to be a group calling itself the Constitutional Research Council.
Little is known about the Constitutional Research Council, including where it got these funds from. However, we do know one thing: it is chaired by the Scottish Conservative Richard Cook.
demonstrations of joy and release evidenced by happy women in the Republic at finally attaining the same rights available to their sex elsewhere in Europe
Yay for more dead babies!
