If you look at the U.S. statistics, states where Trump is popular have low vaccination and exploding covid numbers. Arkansas has a population of about 3 million and 8 ICU beds available.
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1425048490888077345
for someone to display such unquestioning distrust of professional/highly-educated/healthcare-providers etc (and yet paradoxically also display such unquestioning trust in random, unverified, decontextualised, anecdotal, malignant rumours…) tends to point towards psychological-projection?
I read an article that was persuasive in that it argued that books like The Da Vinci code arose at the same time as rise in use of internet, and "taught" a group of new internet users; 30-40 year old people who read pot-boilers like the Da Vinci code. how to "look for" hidden codes.
You're familiar with the plot, right? The hero tells us (the readers) of all the hidden meanings behind otherwise plain or normal things...It teaches us that everything is hidden in plain site, and google comes along...and wow, some of the stuff that Dan put in his novel turns out to be true (or at least have a kernel of truth to them) there's now thousands of sites "investigating" the clues and codes, and it grows into a massive online industry...which a merely a short hop skip and a jump to any number of linked meta-conspiracies, all feeding into and from each other regurgitating and re-inventing the same old lies and nonsense, all globally superpowered by "research" on the internets-web. What used to be smaller individualized theories that you'd have to go to a library or subscribe to a hand written circular...linked (like QAnon has become) to everything from lizards to "Tyrannical" new world orders
Why believe anything offered to you at face value any more?
its going to end up being part of your ability to get a job i think
There's 1 lad at work, already had covid, who is refusing to get a vaccine, despite being a regular MDMA user, on safety grounds. The MD (74 yrs old, no intention of retiring) had words with him for the 2nd time last week, his response was that he 'can't make me get it' and was told by the factory foreman that 'yes, he can't make you get it, but he can make you unemployed'.
I understand why we can’t deny them hospital beds
A LOT of people with non covid related conditions HAVE been denied hospital beds since this pandemic began last year, people who may now have missed vital months of treatments and end up in a much worse state than if the NHS hadn't been overrun with covid patients. People reusing a vaccine and potentially extending this situation through ignorance/stupidity deserve no sympathy if and when they end up ill
A LOT of people with non covid related conditions HAVE been denied hospital beds since this pandemic began last year, people who may now have missed vital months of treatments and end up in a much worse state than if the NHS hadn’t been overrun with covid patients. People reusing a vaccine and potentially extending this situation through ignorance/stupidity deserve no sympathy if and when they end up ill
Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.
deserve no sympathy if and when they end up ill
But...They still deserve treatment.
So let me ask you this: What information would you like about the vaccine in order to feel comfortable getting it? This is not a rhetorical question – what do you want to know?
I would like to know what the chemical make up is, with proof. Again this will never happen because I suspect what is in it is very dangerous and life threatening, all by design and I do believe this.
I may end up regretting asking this, but @bliss, there's more than one vaccine produced by the likes of AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer and Moderna to name but four. Do you believe that these are all harmful by design? Why would you believe that a vaccine intended to boost an immune response to a virus is harmful given that you've probably been immunized against Polio, Tetanus, Chickenpox and Measles via a vaccine?
I would like to know what the chemical make up is, with proof. Again this will never happen because I suspect what is in it is very dangerous and life threatening, all by design and I do believe this.
If this is genuinely how you feel (and not just a light hearted trolling) getting through day to day life for you must be a struggle. As has been previously asked of you, do you reject all medication? How about getting on a plane without intimate knowledge of the workings of a turbine engine? I'm assuming you are not a trained chemist - if someone gave you a list of compounds included in a vaccine, what would you do with that information? Personally I'd be clueless.
I would like to know what the chemical make up is, with proof
Not sure if this is available due to patents and IP protection.
Though can you confirm what knowledge and experience you have that would enable you to analyse the chemical composition and confirm or deny your theory that its all very dangerous and life threatening? You've done the same for paracetamol already I presume. That shit can kill you.
Your argument of ‘I don’t know what’s in it’ just doesn’t stack up. I would suggest the real reason you don’t want to take it is something else. You may not even understand this yourself.
2) Are you happy to endanger other people?
Correct.. I don't want to take it because I believe it's a death sentence, I do care about other people, I pleaded with my mother not to get the vaccine and I explained my worries to her, but ultimately it was her choice to get X2 of the vaccine and I respect that. But I wanted her to hear me out. If I didn't care I wouldn't have spoken to her various times about my concerns with the vaccine.
would like to know what the chemical make up is
Which vacinne. How about this for Pfizer?
The active substance is BNT162b2 RNA.
After dilution, the vial contains 6 doses, of 0.3 mL with 30 micrograms mRNA each.This vaccine contains polyethylene glycol/macrogol (PEG) as part of ALC-0159
The other ingredients are:ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
ALC-0159 = 2[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine
cholesterol
potassium chloride
potassium dihydrogen phosphate
sodium chloride
disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate
sucrose
water for injections
1. Children have not been vaccinated. I don’t appreciate people putting my child, or anyone else’s child, through ignorance
Then concerned parents need to make sure their children are not in contact with anyone. This is a parents duty if this is how they feel.
I pleaded with my mother not to get the vaccine
Trying to be nice about this, but what makes you think you are qualified/have the right to do that?
don’t want to take it because I believe it’s a death sentence
Do realise that is it PROVEN that lots of people die from getting COVID?
Do you realise that there is NO PROOF that people die form COVID vaccines?
I don't think you should take up gambling.
The more unvaccinated people there are, the more the virus will continue to circulate and kill people.
I don't believe this in the slightest.
I would like to know what the chemical make up is, with proof
Mostly water, with Pfizer it's a modified nucleoside mRNA encoding the protien of Sars-COVID-19. Some salts so that it's sits comfy in your blood stream (also salty), some fats to give it some protection and some sugar to preserve it and make it stable in transportation. There's nothing really that requires much in the way of "proof" really
I would like to know what the chemical make up is, with proof. Again this will never happen because I suspect what is in it is very dangerous and life threatening, all by design and I do believe this.
As a sentence in itself this doesn't make sense.
You want to know the chemical makeup of the vaccine, but you don't think that will happen because you suspect it is dangerous. How does your suspicion about its safety affect whether or not you are able to know what the chemical make up is?
I pleaded with my mother not to get the vaccine
Genuine question, how do you think you would have felt if your Mum had refused it then died from COVID, that is a realistic scenario, would you have regret?
I don’t believe this in the slightest.
Why do you think rates/hospitalisations/deaths are down despite reopening pretty much entirely? Or are all the figures fake too in your conspiracy?
The more unvaccinated people there are, the more the virus will continue to circulate and kill people.
I don’t believe this in the slightest.
Okay, I'm calling it, Troll.
I'm ooot.
Do realise that is it PROVEN that lots of people die from getting COVID?
Do you realise that there is NO PROOF that people die form COVID vaccines?
People do die or become seriously ill from vaccines. Just a very tiny number compared to the number of doses given, and in situations where the risk of death or serious illness from the pathogen you're protecting them from is far, far higher.
TBH though, while I can understand the reasoning behind vaccine refusal up to a point, Bliss' posts imply that sinister forces have designed the vaccine to kill us. When they get to that level on the delusion/conspiracy chart, there is no point engaging with them.
If you genuinely believe that the vaccine is dangerous by design, i.e. the majority of governments around the world are intentionally trying to kill vast swathes of citizens, the question is why? Why do it? And why do it this massively complicated way? It would take far fewer people in on the conspiracy to kill vast numbers of the population by poisoning water supplies, with the added bonus that you would eradicate all the questioning types like yourself in one fell swoop? Why would governments be trying to kill the easily led sheeple and keep the free thinking rebels alive to threaten the new world order? I can't see the motivation behind this on a global scale
The more unvaccinated people there are, the more the virus will continue to circulate and kill people.
I don’t believe this in the slightest.
The CDC article contains links to the data to support the claim, which will have been put to peer review prior to publication.
In context pockets of unvaccinated people = higher prevalence of a virus spreading. In the case of Covid, there's also a greater chance of mutation. Since the start of the outbreak we've seen new variants appear (CDC again, with notes).
I don’t want to take it because I believe it’s a death sentence
You said you weren't going to explain why you weren't going to take it and then drop this?
Please - how is this vaccine going to kill me? It's not done a good job so far.
The more unvaccinated people there are, the more the virus will continue to circulate and kill people.
I don’t believe this in the slightest.
At the risk of being a little unkind, I don't think the phrase "ignorance is bliss' has ever been more fitting.
What other rules and guidance imposed by governments in the interests of public safety do you disagree with and refuse to follow? Accepting that this is the most incompetent and corrupt UK government since maybe Georgian times?
And have you personally lost a close friend or family to Covid? That removed any doubts I may have had about the need for mass vaccination, when it took people I knew in Wave 2.
I refuse to follow guidance and disagree with hate speech laws. It's something that goes against free speech and the liberty of expression based on other people's behavior, feelings etc. I also refuse to pay for a TV license, granted I don't watch TV but I would if I didn't have to pay for such a terrible propaganda set up.
I haven't lost anyone to covid no. Although I have had a cousin and family supposedly got it (all be vaccinated) and turned out fine.
I don't actually know anyone who even knows anyone who knows of someone who has died of covid. I don't think covid is even a big deal to catch.
if you were travelling abroad to Africa for example would you have typhoid and yellow fever jabs, take malaria tablets or would you risk it?
No..
You would never find me wanting to go to such a place.
Sweet Jesus. Fingers crossed that this is weapons grade trolling, as the alternative is deeply troubling.
don’t want to take it because I believe it’s a death sentence
You're either off in fantasy land or just trolling. You joined the forum a week ago and you're posting garbage like this? You'll be heading home crying before the month is up at this rate.
I don’t actually know anyone who even knows anyone who knows of someone who has died of covid. I don’t think covid is even a big deal to catch.
Its easy to say that when you haven't caught it (yet)
You still haven't addressed the large elephant in the room here. Your clinical obesity is a far, far greater risk to your health than any number of vaccines. Perhaps you need to redirect your energy.
I don’t actually know anyone who even knows anyone who knows of someone who has died of covid.
I do. I lost my uncle in May 2020 and my mother just before xmas. My mum spent a week on CPAP and I got to speak to her the evening before she died.
Two of my colleagues were hospitalized due to Covid, one has no underlying health problems and is under 40. One of my best mates is in charge of a high dependency unit in the midlands too, he's had some harrowing experiences treating Covid patients.
You’ll be heading home crying before the month is up at this rate.
I'll suspect they'll just be back at school with something else to entertain them.
Move along people, nothing to see here.
As an MTB’er especially, I hope your tetanus is upto date. Even a sedately gardener needs them.
Nope.. no recent tetanus shots, no recent shots of any kind. I've obviously had the shots given to children but as an adult I've chosen not to take any, I don't even take medication when I get the flu!
I don’t believe this in the slightest.
How do you argue with that? It's the functional equivalent of someone pronouncing that they don't believe in gravity, and refusing to acknowledge the fact that they're attached to the ground.
Maybe it's too punitive, but I'm not totally against the idea that you have to either prove vaccination (or have a medically valid reason not to be vaccinated) to partake in various aspects of society, such as to attend mass events or similar. Opting out for no good reason strikes me as fundamentally breaking the social contract we have with each other.
Bliss - I have had Covid. It developed into Pneumonia and then Sepsis. I was in ITU for 4 days (not ventilated but for Sepsis treatment). So I know someone who has had it.
My neighbour caught Covid and has died from it. He leaves a wife and 3 daughters.
Currently 2 members of my extended family have Covid (not too ill thankfully).
I really hope you are a weapons grade troll. If not then please stay off the internet. It won't do you any good.
Definitely a Troll.
it’s a situation where not everyone can be treated because there aren’t enough hospital beds.
But that's just not true is it? Hospitals have never been so quiet and empty during this pandemic. I also don't know of any undertakers who have expressed an increase of workload.
but as an adult I’ve chosen not to take any, I don’t even take medication when I get the flu!
so, sort of hopeful exceptionalism then?
Genuine question, how do you think you would have felt if your Mum had refused it then died from COVID, that is a realistic scenario, would you have regret?
Genuine question, did you think they were going to answer that?
Yes, troll for sure. But let’s test my theory:
Bliss, you say:
I also don’t know of any undertakers who have expressed an increase of workload.
Ok so what is the ‘normal’ average annual death rate of the UK? Around 500K?
There were over 600k deaths last year. About 130k of them recorded due to Covid-19. If you divide that figure between all of the funeral providers in the UK - how many ‘extra’ funerals will that be in a year per provider?
How many undertakers do you know? In my area we have had 17 deaths since the beginning of the outbreak. I don’t know how many the deceased had local funerals in this side of the county
But let’s say 12 have had funerals fairly locally. There are around 8 funeral providers locally. So thats maybe 0.6 burials a year up per provider compared to most years.
ymmv what have you?
I also don’t know of any undertakers who have expressed an increase of workload.
me neither.
but then I don't know any undertakers. makes you think eh...
I don’t think covid is even a big deal to catch.
everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. m tyson.
Has to be a troll..
But that’s just not true is it? Hospitals have never been so quiet and empty during this pandemic.
Evidence?
If you'd like I'd be happy to get you and my mate Matt (the chap who runs an HDU at Leicester) on a Zoom call to discuss?
I also don’t know of any undertakers who have expressed an increase of workload.
personally I don't know any astronauts, I do know men have been in space though...
I think you're just trolling now though.
I find it a bit ironic that you won’t take a vaccine that protects both you and others because of concerns around your health, whilst at the same time you maintain a weight of 23 stone which is clearly not at all healthy.
That's just not true, I am not maintaining my unhealthy weight.
