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It’s all down to education isn’t it.
The wild camping sites need to promote a more responsible approach. There needs to be clear advertising campaign in the areas where there are problems.
Look at what Sustrans do to promote cycling. They also seem to keep the cycle paths very tidy. Staffing and costs aside if there were occasionally people at busy areas encouraging responsible behaviour, it would go a long way to improve things.
My current beef is lorry drivers. Whole bags of rubbish dropped out the window. One roundabout near my work has a pile of lemonade bottles. Obviously same driver drinks one a day and deposits it in the same place at the end of every shift. Utter filth.
Anyone else seeing the Sur-rons?
They're the current menace in Sherwood Pines - as at least with petrol you can hear them coming.
Luckily they're expensive.
Cars parked on the entrance to bridleways. So the lazy arseholes can get their country fix. This was a rare thing, if ever, before the last couple of years. Now see it multiple times on every ride.
Anyone else seeing the Sur-rons
There's a cycling / MTB family near our street who have bought two for the kids. I've seen them setting off to the local woods with mum and dad on proper Eebs and kids razzing off on SurRon things. If I meet them on local trails then 😡
One roundabout near my work has a pile of lemonade bottles.
25p deposit on plastic bottles, if said scum still throw them away, kids will retrieve them and cash them in.
There used to be more on street (or in car park) garbage receptacles that would get emptied by the council, do they exist any more in the uk? can't remember noting them on my last visits back. I think our living environment is another victim to austerity and 40 years of neoliberalism.
Anyone else seeing the Sur-rons?
3 of them on the black/red trails at Hamsterley yesterday, passed me on a fireroad with the old 'u wanna get one of these mate, it's much easier' all 3 then got stuck trying 2 get up a not particularly technical singletrack climb, where I passed the 3 of them on a non electric mtb. F****n morons. Local woods where there have been unofficial trails tolerated for years, some pretty big jumps n berms etc have been torn to shreds by kids on them over the winter, and unfortunately I only see the problem getting worse in future
The hills are alive with the sound of ars*h*les.
Just as slight counter to this. We did the MTB Jennride last weekend, the weather was stunning and people were out in hoardes. We didn't meet a single arse, see lots of litter or any dodgy BBQing.
Not sure I would encourage kids to pick up litter in the middle of a busy roundabout. I get the Idea but still needs a re-education of said arseholes to not drop it in the first place.
Saw same at BPW. Bloke in nice well looked after modified car packing up his bike and kit. Fiddling about. Gets in car drives off leaving the McD’s wrappers from his car neatly left under where the car was. 5m from a bloody bin. If my wheels had still been on my bike he would have got both barrels!
Community service for litter dropping arseholes is what we need.
It's unfortunate that there's almost total overlap on the Venn diagram of the types of people most likely to drop litter and the types who eat the most fast food.
Classic this morning - in Clumber park. Someone had a campfire around the no BBQ sign and burned it to the ground.
It makes me go all retired Tory campervan slacks reactionary - for 5 mins.
Classic this morning – in Clumber park. Someone had a campfire around the no BBQ sign and burned it to the ground.
Sorry but that is pretty funny. I find the superabundance of signs, warnings and petty little notices a major irritant. More so than litter to be honest. Maybe if people weren’t constantly treated like morons they wouldn’t act like morons.
Just as slight counter to this. We did the MTB Jennride last weekend, the weather was stunning and people were out in hoardes. We didn’t meet a single arse, see lots of litter or any dodgy BBQing
True. Every cyclist we passed did smile n wave, all the people eating the ice cream were happy, we were passed by hundreds of cars - all happy (bar one..), but, somehow the few numpties are lurking and creating issues....
Sorry but that is pretty funny. I find the superabundance of signs, warnings and petty little notices a major irritant. More so than litter to be honest. Maybe if people weren’t constantly treated like morons they wouldn’t act like morons.
Trying not to burn the forest down in super dry conditions is not a bad idea.
Maybe if people weren’t constantly treated like morons they wouldn’t act like morons
I’d like you to produce a single shred of evidence for that in this country at the moment
The tedious, perma-outraged howls from the libertarians about the ‘nanny state’ etc could generally amount to cries of ‘how dare anyone try and prevent me from doing whatever the **** I like’
So in reality, the opposite is true.
Great, that means that at a friend’s barbecue the vegetarians are on buttered rolls and if they’re lucky a side salad.
Nonsense.
For nanny state outrage-ists read making it safer for the for everyone who isn't a 90s Clarkson cry baby.
Hasn’t Clarkson been eclipsed by Laurence Fox nowadays?
Somewhat implausibly, he’s easily managed to be even more of a bell end
Lozza Fox has a new type of confused DNA for mask-screaming freedoms than 90s Clarkson for sure - which was basically built around speed camera bed wetting.
Funny though these right-wing mouth horns are not actually that bothered about what I would call 'freedoms.'
Julia Hartley Sewer - also became a top legal advocate for human-rights ... when she was told to wear a mask.
Trying not to burn the forest down in super dry conditions is not a bad idea.
Well yes. Obviously.
Out of interest, was the sign installed due to the “super dry conditions” and explained the reason in a non condescending manner? Or is ir a year-round ORDER which doesn’t seem to make any sense outside of “super dry conditions”.
A bit like those NO BALL GAMES signs that we used to spend the summers smacking a football against as kids.
Out of interest, was the sign installed due to the “super dry conditions” and explained the reason in a non condescending manner? Or is ir a year-round ORDER which doesn’t seem to make any sense outside of “super dry conditions”.
I'm not 100% sure.
But without the signs people will just stick their BBQs on and do what the hell.
To be fair to your point the NT did use lockdown as an opportunity to fence up and sign up.
So I know what you mean - but fire risk to me is a whole different demon in terms of people being idiots. And it has been proper dry for the last few summers.
My favourite sign is one that’s on a bridleway up on to the moors behind our house, placed there by Greater Manchester Police that says this (in this instance turned into a t-shirt)..
It regularly gets nicked but is then replaced
We’ve lived here over 12 years and have never met anyone who has any recollection of any illegal raves having ever taken place here
So maybe the signs work? 😂
Have just seen a post on Wasdales MRT fb page that their stretcher box has been broken into and ransacked again last bank holiday. Items missing and litter left and you guessed it a disposable bbq left too. What can I say.
Not arguing chaps. We’re all in agreement about dicks being dicks.
Signs are just my ‘thing’. For some it’s litter, others it’s graffiti. Mine is signs, oh and spitting.
It’s a question of aesthetics. My lovely local park has become infested with a crop of peevish little signs that say: “If you brought it with you, you can take it home with you”. They make me want to upend a bin onto them and light it all up.
They’re aimed I guess at the huge amounts of students and young people who party in the park on sunny weekends and bank holidays. They won’t heed the signs. It’s dark when they leave. And anyway, the next day the council come and clear up the mess (they should be polishing every blade of grass for the outrageous amount of council tax they extract…). So hundreds of youngsters have had a great time and the mess gets cleared up the next day. No one ever takes the signs away… so what’s the problem? They could install some bigger bins maybe but oh no, they’d prefer to remove them.
I can see where you’re coming from with that, to be honest.
The people who actually need telling to not be a dick are the ones who’ll just completely ignore the signs anyway and carry on being dicks, thus the whole exercise in putting the signs up in the first place is completely pointless
Maybe if people weren’t constantly treated like morons they wouldn’t act like morons
Maybe if people didn't act like morons the wouldn't be treated like morons.
So hundreds of youngsters have had a great time and the mess gets cleared up the next day. No one ever takes the signs away… so what’s the problem?
Litter is the problem. There is no excuse. None. If you carried it in you can carry the leftovers out.
Reminds me: driving through North Wales recently all the bins in lay-bye’s had been blocked off. I mean, it worked for me as I just carried on and put my litter in a bin in the next town. But what’s the logic? Just cost cutting? I imagine a lot of people just hoy it into the undergrowth.
Needs a national government campaign every year that outlines how to be behave in the outdoors. This should also be pushed in schools along with anti-littering.
But some people will not change how much you educate them.
Comments about spitting. This needs to be addressed in sport especially football. If you spit in a game then you get a fine. More that 2 times in a season then it's community volunteer work.
I can forgive it in sport. Well, hard physically demanding sports like football, not snooker. But some cretin flopping out a huge loogie onto the pavement in a town? No. They need working on.
Litter is the problem. There is no excuse. None. If you carried it in you can carry the leftovers out.
Yeah well, they won’t so... They’re too off their gourd on crack candles and ecstasy pipes to be dragging 72 empty beer cans and a smouldering bbq onto the next juke-joint of depravity at 1am.
I mean you can shout at the sky forever or get all extreme and have the park bristling with CCTV issuing fines by AI facial recognition.
Or just put out a few big bins and send in a team of council workers in the morning to clear up a bit. And maybe some education in the schools.
Sorry but that is pretty funny. I find the superabundance of signs, warnings and petty little notices a major irritant.
I have often wondered if the "no fly tipping" signs are in any way effective.
Saw same at BPW. Bloke in nice well looked after modified car packing up his bike and kit. Fiddling about. Gets in car drives off leaving the McD’s wrappers from his car neatly left under where the car was. 5m from a bloody bin
A few years back I saw a group drive off leaving a similar mess… but it also included a 20mm fox axle.
Always smile at that bit of instant karma.
At Coniston yesterday coming off Grizedale to lakeside could smell burning but no people around. Some kind soul had tipped the charcoal from their 'proper' BBQ onto tinder dry leaves and scrub by the lake edge so I'm not sure the mini BBQ sets are the answer, still made for idiots.
As per the fire in Scotland, much of the media seems to be blaming 'wild campers' which is probably unlikely given most wild campers are usually quite a responsible bunch.
Could have been caused by anything really. a broken bottle magnifying the rays coupled with really dry heather.
This why I camp in winter. My fire is safe because snow doesnt burn.
As per the fire in Scotland, much of the media seems to be blaming ‘wild campers’ which is probably unlikely given most wild campers are usually quite a responsible bunch.
They'll be people who claim to be wild camping but who would be more accurately descried as fly campers. Sadly there's far to many people now who don't expect to have to deal with their own waste, even to the extent of just taking it home in their own car. Sadly it's not just the chavs but middle-class people will just dump rubbish by already full public bins.
"thus the whole exercise in putting the signs up in the first place is completely pointless"
But extremely profitable for sign makers, especially those with a mate on the local council.
And come to think of it, has anybody ever obeyed, or ever observed anyone else obeying a 'cyclists dismount' sign?
Signs are just my ‘thing’. For some it’s litter, others it’s graffiti. Mine is signs
Me, it’s dickheads bagging their dog shit, tying a neat little knot at the top and dropping it on the ground. If you think that a few signs are worse than that, then I’m wondering about your priorities.
Oh, and as regards to assholes who are far too entitled to obey instructions to not light fires in areas highly susceptible to turning into a wildfire, this country might consider leasing a few amphibious water-bombers - two warnings about ignoring signs and instructions about not lighting fires, and they get a water bomber.
Sorry, no photo, I’ve given up after eight attempts to post a photo from the internet. 😖
Finally, something like this:
Or these, the Canadian Canadair bombers, Spain uses them - they’d be ideal.
Oh ffs! What is wrong with image posting on this site now? It’s really pissing me off, nothing I’m posting from image search will post.
Not even the one that posted the first time now.
Most of these arguments date back at least as far as the 1930s when leisure time and mobility enabled people to get out of cities. As someone else posted, there's more people now.
25p deposit on plastic bottles, if said scum still throw them away, kids will retrieve them and cash them in.
We have this in Queensland now (once Coca Cola were overcome as they didn't want it). Consumer still pays though as the price of everything goes up.
There's a big depot near me with conveyor belts. You put your cans/bottles on the conveyor, it counts them out and either debits your account or gives you cash. In some places charities have bins, so you put your rubbish in and they get paid.
I've definitely seen people scouring the roadsides collecting.
Does it work to keep litter levels down? No idea, but it must be better and obviously it means more material is being recycled.
And come to think of it, has anybody ever obeyed, or ever observed anyone else obeying a ‘cyclists dismount’ sign?
IIRC those signs have no legal status and can be happily ignored - merely advisory not mandatory
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