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Are the Kingdoms becoming more nationalist, more separate?

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Posted by: stumpyjon

Thinking Scotland will be better off as a tiny part off a much bigger entity where it'll have next to zero ability to influence anything. You can just see it can't you, Germany, France, Spain going hang on a minute this isn't going to be good for Scotland we'd better change tack.

And to think people used to say that the problem with the EU was people didn't understand it...


 
Posted : 22/05/2026 12:58 pm
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Posted by: tjagain

Rather than being part of a smaller entity with zero influence?  When that smaller entity the UK actively works against Scotlands interests?

Of course neither of those statements are true, Scotland has about 9% of the MPs in Westminster, in the EU it's MEPs would equate to 2% at best. And if you really think that rUK actively works against Scotland's best interests you should have a lie down.


 
Posted : 22/05/2026 1:36 pm
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Posted by: stumpyjon

And if you really think that rUK actively works against Scotland's best interests you should have a lie down.

Which way does the oil, whisky, farming, fishing and tourist revenue go? Which way does the renewable electricity go? Who pays most for electricity and fuel? Empires don't grow for the benefit of the fringes. London rule has and always will work for London's benefit. Doesn't matter if it's railway lines across India, Mineral mines in Australia or pylons beside the A9 in Perthshire. See also Rome, Moscow et al.


 
Posted : 22/05/2026 1:55 pm
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Posted by: stumpyjon

And if you really think that rUK actively works against Scotland's best interests you should have a lie down.

Plenty of evidence.  Energy is the most obvious area where Scotland produces cheap electricity but because of the high access charges and UK policy we pay a high price for our electricity.  Scotland was refused permission to build two new gas plants to give us energy security and black start capability.

 

Immigration is an other.  We want immigrants but are not allowed them due to xenophobes in Westminster

 

Plenty of other policy areas

Posted by: stumpyjon

Scotland has about 9% of the MPs in Westminster, in the EU it's MEPs would equate to 2% at best.

Yes - and Sco0tland has zero influence at westminster as our MPS are ignored and activly7u so whereas in the EU we could make deals with like minded folk.  Scotland has very rarely since WW2 voted for the government we get at Westminster

 

Name one occasion that Scottish needs were considered at Westminster?


 
Posted : 22/05/2026 1:56 pm
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It really is remarkable you Scots thinking you're getting a bad deal from the relationship. It's highly beneficial....mostly one way. Delusion is sad to see. 


 
Posted : 22/05/2026 1:57 pm
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@northersouth Physician heal thyself.


 
Posted : 22/05/2026 2:12 pm
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Benefits like having an energy surplus and paying the highest prices in the UK for energy? Always getting the governments England chooses despite that rarely matching Scottish voting intentions? If that's highly beneficial, I'll stay deluded. And if the argument is Barnett based.... anyone paying attention knows that Barnett was a sop to voters, created the year before the 1979 referendum to appease the natives. It's as much an illusion of prosperity as post Brexit sunlit uplands and has been similarly exposed as such many times since implementation.


 
Posted : 22/05/2026 2:16 pm
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And GERS methodology was created deliberatly to make the case that an independent ~Scotland was not financially viable - as admitted by its creator Lang ex secretary of state


 
Posted : 22/05/2026 2:45 pm
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