Well I can’t find anything on the Harrogate council website to report it.
Nothing on the AO website to report it either..
I think it’s the other way round.
I picked up about 25 discarded bags of dog excrement hanging from trees alongside my normal dog walk a few years ago, before lockdown
In my experience, folks must think it's a service that's provided, as it comes back all the time.
They leave it there, it gets taken.
Would dearly love to rub their faces in it.
Reported on twitter to them with a screenshot of the video in an open public reply
but I suspect that’s a symptom of my middle-class upbringing
I'm as working class as can be and can assure you, most respectfully, that is absolute shite.
I’m as working class as they come and I started this thread and now subsequently have reported the incident.
Tossers are tossers, their background makes no difference
In fact I also drive a company van fully logoed up
It really irritates me, but I suspect that’s a symptom of my middle-class upbringing.
Welcome back to the 1960s!
Welcome back to the 1960s!
The cool thing is, we never left!
Why is it almost always McDonald’s and KFC, almost never the local chippy or Indian takeaway?
Have you tried eating a curry in your car?! 😂
@breninbeener I expect your rules in Wales may be different to the English ones. I had a nice chat with our EHO in Suffolk and they are willing to go after people but the reporting person has to commit else it's not worth their time. I believe the fines in court if they don't accept the fixed penalty are a bit stiff.
That’s the reason they’re popular, not the reason a large % of their customers are Dicks.
Because they’re popular more waste is produced. Also you can’t recognise a generic takeaway container’s source.
In the countryside as opposed to town I guess it’s more likely to be a fluffy squirrel than a diseased pigeon that could potentially be harmed by some of it.
It's still a bloody eyesore.
It does seem to be a uniquely British problem too. Everywhere has it's rougher areas of course, but I don't recall ever seeing it being anything like here whilst on holiday in continental Europe or the US. It's like, it's so widespread we're blind to it, we just expect it.
Great British pride! Sovereignty! Best country in the world! *throws fast food wrappers out of the car*
I think you know the answer to that
What? Presumably that it's worse to chuck shite out of a van window in Greenhow than in Keighley? Because one's pretty and the other isn't? (Fwiw K has its nice bits; G is just bleak, though the struggle up the hill means my rose tinted specks have misted over by the time I'm there...) I don't think it is that obvious though. I'd never litter in either, but doing it in town is going to piss more people off and be more immediately antisocial.
You could argue that folks who litter are just lazy and don't care about others, and are unconstrained by social norms etc and more likely to infract a bunch of laws. And also maybe that they don't feel any particular stake in whatever environment they're messing up as a possible reason why they do it. Whatever, this all matters more in the middle of town than in the middle of nowhere.
this all matters more in the middle of town than in the middle of nowhere.
I'd say the opposite.
It's unacceptable anywhere, but if I have see a pile of discarded beer cans then I'd far rather it was in town than in somewhere leafy. I go to the countryside to get away from the scrotes and all their shit, and singletrack doesn't tend to attract many road sweepers.
Either way. Just because something is worse something else doesn't mean we should stop caring about the something else.
Sorry, bit off-topic but this thread prompted a couple of thoughts.
Why do McDonalds and KFC have to brand their outer packaging, surely generic brown paper would be cheaper for them.
If it's for advertising benefit then is there a way maybe to charge/fine them if their bags are littered.
Maybe all outer packaging, carrier bags etc should be banned from being branded or be taxable maybe...If they aren't making money from advertising on their packaging maybe they would reduce it...
If it’s for advertising benefit then is there a way maybe to charge/fine them if their bags are littered.
Petty sure that there have been proposals to go one better than that by printing the reg. number of the vehicle on drive-thru bags so the offender can be traced and not the provider.
Petty sure that there have been proposals to go one better than that by printing the reg. number of the vehicle on drive-thru bags so the offender can be traced and not the provider.
More expense for them though & the scruffs would just tear the registration off the package or use a marker pen over it.
Na, Mcdonalds, KFC & Costa need to do more to educate their consumers. I mean monkeys can learn so why not customers.
I was thinking of invoicing McD's, Costa etc for disposing of their litter and chasing them for the inevitable unpaid invoice.
Same litter - every day.
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Christ is that one of Bert's poo bags?!
Na, Mcdonalds, KFC & Costa need to do more to educate their consumers. I mean monkeys can learn so why not customers
It's hard to educate against selfishness, it's not stupidity that causes people to litter
I was thinking of invoicing McD’s, Costa etc for disposing of their litter and chasing them for the inevitable unpaid invoice.
Same litter – every day.
Or just walk into the nearest branch each day and empty the bag out on the floor in front of the counter...
Shame you can't send parcels to them/head office and make them deal with it (and the cost of postage) there. Hundreds of bags turning up each day from all over the country might make a point.
Personally, the polystyrene containers are a bigger issue, last bloody years. And all our local Chinese takeaways seem to completely ignore the plastic bag charge.
To be quite honest, I'd happily see the back of takeaways altogether.
Or just walk into the nearest branch each day and empty the bag out on the floor in front of the counter…
What do you suppose that's going to achieve, other than create a load of work for minimum wage staff?
I think see where you're going, but it's not their fault. It's like giving a call-centre handler a bollocking because your delivery is late. Filling a tipper with the stuff and depositing it at their head office could be a different story.
I don't really know what McD's et al can do though. Their packaging isn't overly excessive and the thing about takeaways is, well, the clue's in the name. There's not a lot McD's can be expected to do when the customer is halfway up the M6.
More expense for them though & the scruffs would just tear the registration off the package or use a marker pen over it.
UV printing?
Hell, they wouldn't need to even do it so long as they could successfully convince everyone that they were. Pane of glass on the serving hatch counter with a purple light under it, tell all the staff it's an invisible ink printer.
To be quite honest, I’d happily see the back of takeaways altogether.
There's not much there aside from the bins.
Whatever, this all matters more in the middle of town than in the middle of nowhere.
That's really just a human perspective. Remember that litter is massively damaging and dangerous for animals and the environment in general.
I don't need to post a picture of an animal garroted by discarded beer can ties. Most of us have seen that stuff, or plastics breaking down into water courses etc.
It's not just about how litter affects us.
There’s not much there aside from the bins.
First laugh of the morning!
Riding around our gorgeous countryside it was noticeable the changes when a local Costa coffee opened. Discarded cups and wrappers are found in hedgerows, farmers fields, even trails that I've mtbed on for years.
If one challenges these litter louts then a firing off of abuse and even threatening behaviour puts me off. But I see red mist and absolutely love our local countryside, fauna and flora, meaning it's hard not to mention it.
A few years ago I wrote to the new head of our local primary school and littering was almost gone from the area around and about when she sent out a letter, (I think the mention of rats put people off dropping their crap). Would you believe it was mostly the parents and not their offspring who were the perpetrators.
I don’t need to post a picture of an animal garroted by discarded beer can ties.
Hence my leading with fluffy squirrels vs diseased pigeons comment. I'm not advocating littering in the country, just wondering why it's seen as worse than in town. If people respect and look after where they live, I'd say it's likely they'll look after the countryside too. I just don't like a town vs country bipolarity.
Anyway, back on track. Have AO responded to the tweet yet?
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, Mcdonalds, KFC & Costa need to do more to educate their consumers. I mean monkeys can learn so why not customers
It’s hard to educate against selfishness, it’s not stupidity that causes people to litter
TBH honest McDs do have quite strong guidelines and send teams out of litter duty in the area near by. The issue is the ****tards that drive to the nearest beauty spot / dogging site/ car park and smoke weed and then chuck the stuff out of their windows
(if anyone know the Shoreham area, I was cycling up past Mill Hill yesterday and there were about 10 or McDs cartons that someone had lobbed out of the window)
I saw a load of McD's crap on the roadside between Reeth & Gunnerside, god knows where the nearest McDonalds is to there but the tramps must've saved it up to piss me off!
I don’t need to post a picture of an animal garroted by discarded beer can ties.
I always cut / rip mine up.
It looks like we're finally addressing this now. I've started seeing 4-packs with cardboard rings, or effectively glued together.
there were about 10 or McDs cartons that someone had lobbed out of the window
What's the saying, the best way to create a large crowd is to start with a small one? First person just doesn't care, second thinks "what shall I do with my wrappers? Oh, I'll just put it next to the other one, they'll probably get cleaned up together" then before you know it there's a big pile of shit so "what's one more cup?"
Yep, this is my thinking. Broken windows theory applied to littering. I have to compartmentalise it to stop it becoming a full time job (that ends with me hanging from a tree). Pick up discrete items if I'm out on foot or the bike; go out on a mission locally specifically to clear out paths/tracks I use. I prefer to take public transport or ride out of the door, but when I do use the car I make a point of cleaning up wherever I've parked, thus:
I don't delude myself I'm making a difference; the barbarians are at the gates, but if you're not part of the solution, etc.
