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Sounds to me like Ro is actually feeling quite lonely, and desperate for some contact. STW is a good place for that. But Ro; you need to work out why you feel such anger and resentment to others, because it's clearly not doing you any good, despite your desperate attempts to try to show us all what a fantastic and great time you're having. You comments on here and other threads, including the Sharki thread, reveal that you are seeking attention, but are unsure as to what kind of attention you really want, or are unable to get that which you really need, hence the hostility and antagonism.
Take it easy mate. Seriously. You don't need to fight everyone all the time.
Blimey Talky, not sure if that makes perfect sense but it sounds [i]grrrrrreeeat[/i]! Like a Robin Williams film, but better! 😀
Group hug?
i can tell when i'm being trolled, julian, but i shall bite...
yes, i know a little of sports medicine, enough to be fairly sure that the OP to whom i replied was unlikely to suffer death or disablement should i be wrong. can you say the same of the OP requesting advice in this thread? i can't.
and jeeze, you still don't get it, do you? there are areas in medicine upon which you SHOULD NOT GO without full information if you have the best interests of a patient at heart. i happen to believe mental health is one of those fields. if someone was smart enough to give the OP good advice they were breaching every ethical standard of which i'm aware in so doing. and if they weren't smart enough, what the hell were they up to?
frankly, i long ago ceased to care about the myriad of problems within the nhs, out-of-hours, pcts or whatever. it's your issue now, you sort it out, i have other things to do. it just pisses me off to see people looking for medical advice on a mtb forum. it's like i'd ask a baker for advice on bleeding my car brakes. sure, he may also be an excellent mechanic, but would you want to take that chance?
Well, thing is, some folk just come on here for technical advice and stuff, but most folk get sucked into the social aspect of it. I've made loads of friends on here; many of whom I've met in 'real life'! Granted, you're not going to get on with everyone, but it's good to get on with at least a few. Ro could have this, it's up to him.
One of the nicest people I've met off here, I did so because they were having difficulties that they were struggling to cope with, and came on here late one night, basically looking for support. That person has also supported me when I've needed it, and is a true friend. Sharing is good for the soul.
So, group hug? Why not? 😀
Ro, you're being rather racist there. Generalising vastly about two countries.
Oh and do you see the irony in you complaining about Brits complaining?
You don't need to fight everyone all the time
but it's fun! 🙂
[i]So, group hug? Why not? [/i]
No kissing though.
Not yet.
i wondered when you'd be along. always late to the party, mr munro.
it's been fun, chums, but i have to go now. it's 8 pm here and i needs my beauty sleep.
i like the group hug idea. but no touching below the waist. i'm homophobic.
kisses,
r.xx.
but it's fun!
Hmm, sometimes. Not all the time though.
I've got my midday anger out of my system now, and can look forward to a calm afternoon. Might even go for a little pootle if I finish what I'm meant to be doing.
Medical services in VN?
what's VN ?
But enough about me doing something useful for some decent people, while you cater to the wasters, the DNA's and the skivvers in the UK...
oh dear, so only [b]decent[/b] people deserve help ? How does one tell who is decent ? Do we just stack the others in a pile ?
Trolling? Now that is honestly the first time i have ever been accused of that!
Ro, if you don't know how simple/complex the OP's issue was, how would you know whether it was a straightforward answer/signpost or worse? Perhaps there is a safe zone between 'Nothing at all' and 'high risk of advice causing imminent harm to self or others', much like the heel pain runner. That was what I was trying to point out.
Like it or not, not everyone agrees that Mental Health is a field which demands complete acess and scrutiny of casenotes before you dare open your mouth.
You mentioned the Samaritans as an alternative to off-forum chat earlier too, I suppose they still do the job we did in OOH years ago before any form of electronic records, and all without even finding the caller's real name sometimes.
Surely if you'd spent much time in mental health you would be much more aware of the huge range of uncertainties everyone works in. Much like those travelling salesmen with two families and two houses, we would get 'hospital hoppers' who would have a different name, patient number and crucially a different psychiatric history in 2 or more different trusts. You never ever ever rule out what the client has not or has yet to tell you, or in a very few cases what they have fabricated. Even at the very luxuriously funded and time-rich ends of psychiatry, doctors get suprised by their patients, just like we do when someone is admitted at 3am with a brief assessment from the SHO (well, F2) in A&E. Or when they get sent home again after an overdose. Happily we often get pleasantly suprised at what someone is capable of achieveing too. 🙂 Accepting this is not a million miles away from accepting that there may be something to offer (like 'ask to see a counsellor') or indeed 'un-offer' (like 'cut down drinking') that is likely to help given the limited information, and most unlikely to make things worse.
So I won't be offering any advice on knee pain, baking or plumbing any time soon, but neither will I ignore or slope a shoulder to someone who wants a brief word about something that is within my field and level of competency. I would like to think that I have a bit more wisdom and experience in this field than the average baker or mechanic, thankyou for the excellent Daily Mail analogy. I'm not a pushover or a bleeding heart, and I first joined the service as a nursing auxiliary because it paid better than the Esso garage, not to cure my own demons (blissfully uneventful childhood here) and despite my comment above I have a 'no hug' rule at work 😆 . I know where to end something, and I can see something that is out of my depth or another health worker's 'territory' well in advance.
In the times on this forum when I did announce my professional credentials as it were, I have cooled a couple of peoples' boots, posted a couple of links (to the Royal College of course: their website is ace!) and pointed a few people towards helpful things and away from unhelpful ones. None of what I said was risky, controversial or undermining of treatment and all of it was relevant to what the poster reported as opposed to having my own axe to grind. I hope it was at least listened to via poster being aware of what my day job is. How bad is that really?
I am repeating myself a bit but I do think that often this is better done off the forum because of how unhelpful some comments can get, but neither am I bothered if someone ignores what I said or seeks the opinions of someone else.
Nighty night Ro.
Wilson FTW!
meh.
Can I just say a big thank you to those who have e-mailed and texted? I do appreciate it and there's certainly been some constructive pointers.
But I do feel rather saddened that the tone has changed.
Ro - I would never dream of asking anyone about specific medication matters, please credit me with a little common sense. But, you know, sometimes people like to feel they are on the right track and appreciate some sensible ideas and suggestions too.
You may mock this Forum and the U.K. but, guess what, I rather like it here. In fact I would go so far as to say I have lost a lot of my cynicism cos there's such a community spirit here. I've also made many good friends too. 🙂
julian - some interesting stuff you have written but bet you didn't anticipate writing an essay 😉
Peace. 8)
molgrips - what does FTW mean please?
Another edit: I knew that there were some medical professionals on there, it wasn't some random post. And, yes, I have sought guidance on here previously.
Real life - you never know what's around the corner.
All credit to julianwilson. Good on you mate.
CG - I’ve just found this thread and it seems that may well have had your questions answered, but if I can be of any help please free to email me (in profile) – my particular field of expertise is Older Peoples mental health.
RO – TBH your talking out of your arse a clearly have no particle knowledge of Mental Health Service and how they function – nobody pretends that they are perfect but its still good with skilled and dedicated practitioners (you would have to be to but up with all the crap) – Re read Julian’s post ‘cause he speak the truth and rather eloquently
FTW=**** the world
good on ya julianwilson!
and ro? I bet "VN" love the quality of brits that visit them, just don't get sent back like that nice mr glitter.
Wow, just read this and only 2 comments to make.
Glad CG received some help and guidance.
Well done to JW for being [b]very[/b] restrained when another 'professional' (although I suspect he is really an admin assistant who has read an ethics manual) called his judgemnent into question. 😉
+1 julianwilson FTW.... ( meaning in modern www.forum lingo and in this instance For The Win...)
for the win... doh, sometimes i have to accept i'm pretty coarse.
y'see? this is the problem with mass internet access. back in the day, forums were places where you met interesting, opinionated and insightful folk who were happy to have their views challenged.
today they're infested with the barely-educated, the unemployed, dull admin clerks or IT network analysts, sitting at their computers bored out their skulls on facebook or hobby forums, desperately hoping to come across something to fill their lives before lunchtime.
but let's press on in the spirit of international brotherly love. although i think this particular dead horse has been flogged enough, don't you?
nicely argued julian. out of all the contributors to this thread, you were the only one who made sense. would you like a post out here? i think i could swing it for you 🙂
Are you a "professional" typist JW?
😛
Better late than never....probably...
It seems you got your issue sorted C-G, which I'm glad about.
Ro - any professional in any profession should be aware of their limitations of the advice they can offer, and trim the details accordingly. I have given 'simple' medical advice in numerous threads, but also advised that more detail needs to be sought and an actual visit to their GP is needed.
I'm unclear on your professional status, but I must say a lot of you comments appear more of a rant than as expressed concern over the offering of medical advice.
To top it off, your comment of [i]...I don't know of any patient who has 18" of medical notes'....[/i] suggests a lack of exposure to modern medicine here in the UK? Typically I would say that the 'mental health/personality disorder' patients have the thickest notes by far...
DrP
DrP
You have hit on the perfect way to settle this.
Get RO and JW to call up their medical notes, and we will see whose is the biggest ??
out of all the contributors to this thread, you were the only one who made sense
I hope you include yourself in this statement ro, you strange and terrible little entity..
today they're infested with the barely-educated, the unemployed, dull admin clerks or IT network analysts, sitting at their computers bored out their skulls on facebook or hobby forums, desperately hoping to come across something to fill their lives before lunchtime.
As someone who probably most closely resembles the "barely-educated" description, I've been following this thread with vague interest and a rather great deal of incredulity.
An early conclusion I came to, was how rather unhappy you sound. Your contributions and successful hijacking of cinnamon_girl's thread, seemed far more to do with you, than any concern about any worries she might have had.
I hope that whatever it is that appears to be bugging you, gets sorted. And that you find rather better fun things to do before lunchtime in the future.
I must say ro, you come across as a particularly cynical, unsympathetic and obnoxious person.
yes, yes, soup, i'm the devils daughter too.
ernie, you have read some of your posts, haven't you? thread hijacking or a morose nature seem to be your constant companions. pot. kettle. black.
i like you too yunki 🙂
Dr.P, you sound like a GP. i never did undertand why anyone would voluntarily become a gatekeeper for real medicine. could you explain this?
my medical notes are tiny. does that mean i lose?
Your contributions and successful hijacking of cinnamon_girl's thread
To be fair Ernie, I did bite!
although I suspect he is really an admin assistant who has read an ethics manual
No mileage whatsoever in slagging Ro off. From his comments on here I have no reason to doubt he is not a doctor and even if I used it to point something out to him in a somewhat stw-geeky way, I honestly did think his advice on the running thread was helpful and worthwhile.
CG, I'm sorry I blew your thread way out of proportion with my rambling enormo-posts. I think it was a good thing to challenge something so sweeping and i feared quite undermining to you as the OP: if it had been me in your shoes I would have read it as "Julian, whoever has popped up and atempted to help you is a fraud and should not be listened to".
BUT in retrospect I really should have done all this rambling/arguing on my own thread! 😳 My apologies again.
I'll shut up for good on this thread now.
J.
ernie, you have read some of your posts, haven't you? thread hijacking or a morose nature seem to be your constant companions. pot. kettle. black.
I'm not impressed with your analytical skills 😐
I can hardly be accused of not sticking to the original topic or purpose of a thread.
ernie; remove your hairpiece, fluff up your blouse and snuggle down with a nice mug of tea and your copy of 'the independent'. the world will soon seem a much nicer place...
ernie; remove your hairpiece, fluff up your blouse and snuggle down with a nice mug of tea and your copy of 'the independent'
You sound bothered
true. i'm utterly furious.
or could it be that, like so many on this forum, i just enjoy winding you up?
you choose 🙂
You sound bothered
To be fair, he sounds like a lost, lonely old man clinging to an outdated and unreasoned point of view. I think it's very giving of everyone who is engaging him in dialogue as it is clearly providing him with the attention and company he needs. Mind you, I hope none of you are talking to ro in a 'professional' capacity.
Ro, you're an idiot.
[i]Mods, sorry if you're offended by the above but (s)he doesn't seem able to comprehend normal human behaviour.[/i]
the direction this thread has taken today doesn't seem to be amusing you guys, but it has about ten people here in stitches.
when did the uk get so angry? is it the election result?
Ro; what are [i]you[/i] so angry about?
Come on, you can tell us.
Dr.P, you sound like a GP. i never did undertand why anyone would voluntarily become a gatekeeper for real medicine. could you explain this?
I've actually spent many years in acute hospital medicine and am a member of the royal college of physicians, and have now chosen to persue a carreer in general practice.
In response to your comment, I'm certain there are [b]many[/b] things you don't understand.
Out of interest, what is it you do? I must say, you certainly don't sound like a caring person.
DrP
ro is clearly just trying to wind people up. I mean look at this quote from him:
The best, indeed the ONLY answer to a potentially serious medical question on any forum is simply, 'Consult a professional'. Stop pretending otherwise. It's free, it's what the NHS is there for and it works.
People would have offed themselves by the time they reach the front of the waiting list for mental health advice.
The confusingest thing for me is that I call my daughter Ro 🙂 Interestingly [b]ro[/b] claimed to be the devil's daughter...
seems i owe mr chipps an apology. he searched his emails yet couldn't find anything from me as regards offering to write for singletrack.
sorry, mr chipps. i was wrong.
i'm about half way through my piece of humble pie. do i really have to eat it all? it tastes absolutely foul 🙁
wrong bloody thread. bugger.
ok, dr.p you win the willy-waving contest. i failed in my first try at the MRCP exams and sulked so badly i never tried again. does this make me a bad person? i suspect it does.
but on the positive side, i'm 12,000 or so klms away from you, so i think you can relax. i shall practice my inability to care on the unsuspecting vietnamese. they've been dumped on by so many westerners i'm sure they won't notice me being evil. well, i hope not anyway 🙂