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[Closed] Anti mask anger - anyone explain it to me?

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I find it v difficult to do my job as photographer wearing a mask because it makes the viewfinder steam up and basically become unusable. If anyone has any bright ideas regarding that I’m all ears.

Then you drop the mask whilst looking in the viewfinder, but wear it the rest of the time. And everyone else continues to wear theirs. Not a show stopper is it?


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 11:07 am
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Why do these folk actually think that the government want to kill Christmas? Weird.

I’m not 100% convinced that GBN presenters, (same with Talk Radio, US right-wing channels) actually believe their own shite, it’s just cash-money guaranteed clicks to constantly press their devoted fan’s buttons. To rattle the monkey-cage. Tabloidism. It’s a well-tried business model and goes back at least centuries. Of course virtually all media uses outrage-bait which appeals to their audience/demographic - but these kind of channels are arguably the most cynical and unprincipled grifters of all.

They are literally happy (and paid very well) to worsen the pandemic/situation by giving out bad/deadly ‘advice’ (actually opposing public health experts).

When the inevitable then happens (ongoing pandemic, new variants) they can then utilise this news to rattle the monkey-cage some more. ‘We told you so, those the shadowy Christmas-hating commies had this up their sleeves all along, now you HAVE to believe us!’

It’s a very, very effective way to stoke division and ensure brand-loyalty.

The viewers literally see that bloke off Coast and that bloke off Balls Of Steel as some kind of Saint-Warrior-Saviours who have been delivered unto them in their time of need. Figureheads to lead them maskless and unvaccinated into freedom as they slay the ‘Elites’ the experts, and most of all those Orcs of ‘socialism’ by helping destroy the NHS (and the economy) along the blue-brick road to that Trumptastic Disneyland of their dreams.

I feel like I’m stuck in a fevered mutating nightmare which used to be my country.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 11:09 am
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No one has mentioned anything about Welsh people being fatter, apart from you.

We are on average fatter though, but it's because we are on average poorer due to centuries of exploitation by the English and subsequent abandonment after they used up all our natural resources. That's why we need to wear masks and also to portray us as better than the English. See also Scotland.

(note this post is deliberately antagonistic and nationalistic for the hell of it 🙂 )

the problem comes when you are convinced that someone not wearing a mask is putting your family in deadly peril

Well individually not necessarily but en-masse, they could well be.

(this part is serious)


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 11:11 am
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I don’t personally see the need as I’m vaccinated.

Just because you don't see the need, doesn't mean it's not there. You've got scientists testing this stuff all the time, and they are lining up to tell you to wear one.

I can't stress this enough: YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 11:16 am
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Then you drop the mask whilst looking in the viewfinder, but wear it the rest of the time. And everyone else continues to wear theirs. Not a show stopper is it?

Which is mostly what I do, but it is a pain. Much of what makes me good at my job is being quite alert and instinctive about looking for good moments/interactions/facial expressions etc. I would also need to be dropping and lifting the mask potentially hundreds of times a day, and IIRC really you're not meant to touch them once they're on.

I'm not saying it's impossible and I mostly do it, but there's no denying it's limiting and potentially a bit redundant.

And everyone else continues to wear theirs.

Except at KMF I would estimate only around 10% of people were wearing masks, even in crowded indoor areas.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 11:16 am
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Why do these folk actually think that the government want to kill Christmas? Weird

Is it so they can permanently rename it Winterfest?


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 11:23 am
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They want to steal your Christmas Winterval tree and give it to a disabled asylum seeker so they can use it to bum the Queen's swans, while good honest British folk go to jail just for speaking English.

You couldn't make it up.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 11:26 am
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I sometimes feel anger at non mask wearers. Quite strongly sometimes!

Have to say to myself "settle down YGH, it's just a mask - not exactly warranting that reaction!"

I've never actually said or done anything, but maybe people who are offended by masks and have poorer impulse control than me lash out?


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 11:30 am
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The comments under the Oliver video are a hoot. Each time someone asks for a link or a source, it's just a link back to youtube or, even better, tiktok.
Surprisingly, I've yet to see a link to a medical study.

Social media - helping morons find other morons.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 11:35 am
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They want to steal your Christmas Winterval tree and give it to a disabled asylum seeker so they can use it to bum the Queen’s swans, while good honest British folk go to jail just for speaking English.

You couldn’t make it up.

yep, sadly people genuinely believe that sort of stuff. One of our engineers wanted to bet me £50 that my street would be over run my Muslins in 10 years (as there is a new mosque down the road) and as a white person I've be forced to move out. He had a univeristy degree (in Engineering) and everything. Seems education isn't quite as good a vaccine against stupidity as you'd expect.

I tried to point out that there had been an old mosque even closer to us, for the last 50 years, and that hadn't changed anything, but to no effect.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 11:40 am
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More importantly, neither of those two people in the video can stop looking at the camera! Makes it really weird to watch....


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 11:43 am
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@grum

As a glaasses-wearing dslr photographer, it is pretty difficult, especially in this colder weather. Both my glasses and viewfinder steam up instantly and I do find myself trying to hold my breath.

But, one suggestion is to put something like micropore tape across the top of the mask, along your nose and cheeks. This blocks the warm breath and forces it out the sides instead. I noticed that my optician had done this to prevent his instruments and glasses steaming up with his mask on.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 11:46 am
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It’s a warped sense of libertarianism.

For the majority of the Julia Hartley-Brewer, Laurence Fox, Neil Oliver crowd its nothing to do with philosophy. It's the egotistical fear of not being noticed that most people grow out of at perhaps 17 or 18.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 12:22 pm
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Today’s gem in wearing masks is…


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 12:23 pm
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So far today I'm at 25% non compliant customers who won't put a mask on or didn't have one.... All exclusively male, either under 25 or over 60....

Unfortunately I can't afford to loose 25% of takings.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 12:24 pm
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Where does the tru-Brit-grit-shit we won the war attitude go to?

Maybe flag masks are the answer?


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 1:13 pm
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Today’s gem in wearing masks is…

A ram ****s all the sheep.

Perfect analogy in one way.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 1:14 pm
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Boots No Fog lens wipes work for me. To hours a day in masks and this is the best I found sin e I finished my old bottle of Oakley antifouling.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 1:28 pm
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I don't think you can underestimate the power of peer pressure/social pressure to be honest. Once it gets to the point where most people in a shop or any public place aren't wearing them then I think a significant portion of people who actually have no opinion one way or the other will stop wearing them as well.

I actually think it's pretty understandable- I went for a take-out coffee this morning and was the only one wearing a mask in a queue of about 8 people. I did feel a bit ridiculous to be honest and I'm a 40 year old bloke who by and large doesn't really care what people think all that much.

For what's its worth I don't really like wearing them at all and find them annoying and tedious to carry around but I wear them as I figure you can't really argue with the science.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 1:36 pm
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I can’t stress this enough: YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

If you find yourself disagreeing with the advice from people who have spent years being educated in, trained in, gaining experience in, and it being their literal job to be expert in, a particular field* then the first question you must ALWAYS ask yourself is:

Am I a genius or am I wrong?

The chances of it being the former are always slimmer than the latter.

If you find yourself convinced that you're not wrong then you'd better also have the knowledge, expertise, experience and evidence to explain and convince people why you are now the pioneering new expert in that field.

*especially so when that field is not your area of expertise.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 2:00 pm
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I think Derek Richardson his animals mixed up. He meant to say:

Don't Be a Chicken, Be a Cock!!!!


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 2:07 pm
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you’d better also have the knowledge, expertise, experience and evidence to explain and convince people why you are now the pioneering new expert in that field.

Hold on, they have YouTube so are able to do their own research.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 2:07 pm
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What I can’t ever figure out is why these people think that the government, scientists, the media etc would go to all the trouble of conspiring against them specifically?

What would any of these groups hope to achieve by this?

New Star Wars prequel to detail evil Sith plans to make everyone wear a cloth mask while shopping


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 2:16 pm
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Yes a functioning, healthy population is quite desirable.

(Governments are coercive for sure and do all manner of shit but on Covid they all got caught out of their depth, but probably did not deliberately try to make things worse.)


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 2:26 pm
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I really do feel for the shop owners though.

It's a lose lose for them.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 2:27 pm
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If you find yourself disagreeing with the advice from people who have spent years being educated in, trained in, gaining experience in, and it being their literal job to be expert in, a particular field* then the first question you must ALWAYS ask yourself is:

Am I a genius or am I wrong?

Very true, however I've noticed plenty of people masquerading as qualified experts. Of course there are some genuinely qualified people that take the contrary view from the rest of their peers however I've noticed a huge rise in charlatans.

Take for example the amount of "doctors" on social media that spout anti-vax stuff and conspiracy theories. To those that share their views, the fact they're a "doctor" adds credibility and weight to their viewpoint and garners support. However a quick click through to their social media page or often their own webpage uncovers the fact that they're a "doctor" of homeopathy or some other nonsense and they're in no way a medical doctor or PhD, but on the surface they appear qualified and credible to the gullible.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 2:29 pm
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What I can’t ever figure out is why these people think that the government, scientists, the media etc would go to all the trouble of conspiring against them specifically?

Ask and the Daily Mash will provide an answer!

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/six-****g-obvious-questions-anti-maskers-really-need-to-ask-20211130214798


 
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Posted : 30/11/2021 2:45 pm
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What would any of these groups hope to achieve by this?

I don't think most anti-maskers have actually given it much thought beyond "I don't want to"  Judging by what I hear in the waiting room, most folks seem to say the first thing that pops into their heads once they've realised their real reason makes them sound like a 4 year old who's been told they have to go home from the park now.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 2:54 pm
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I really do feel for the shop owners though.

It’s a lose lose for them.

Not sure about that. I've been steering clear of busy shops full of unmasked punters and buying stuff online more. I'm a lot more comfortable going in and spending money if everyone is masked up, and I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm not the only one.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 3:02 pm
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Oh they get better.

Can you cope not wearing one? My Mum didn't wear one when she was in the Land Army. Dad always bragged about landing on the Normandy beach with dry boots - should he having taken the order to drop from the landing board before it reached the dry sand? His mate did and got shot in the head. How many times have you washed your hands today? Don't forget to be a good girl and do as you are told. eg. Stay safe - the NHS is overstretched so can't treat you if you don't!


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 4:02 pm
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I’m a lot more comfortable going in and spending money if everyone is masked up, and I have a sneaking suspicion that I’m not the only one.

This is why we have a mask policy in my shop - don't understand the supermarkets attitude of 'we don't want to police it'....

I've several regular customers who will walk out if some one walks in without a mask or over the 2 at a time limit.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 4:14 pm
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One regular antivax/mask customer came in everyday  like this (and today)...

https://i.imgur.com/mOWLRjc.jpg

So obviously he's now only referenced as Drac when talked about privately.

We also had a customer who used a bunch of carrots as a mask - now called Bugs.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 4:26 pm
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That’s not me.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 4:35 pm
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😄


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 4:36 pm
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I'd call him The Count, or something like that.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 4:59 pm
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Local Tesco at lunch near me had damn near 100% mask compliance which is hugely up on last week. I think there was one female college student and one middle age women without.
Not bad at all.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 5:02 pm
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Oh they get better.

Isn't he being sarcastic?


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 5:04 pm
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Oh they get better.

Where's that from Drac? It's like a stream of consciousness...


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 5:10 pm
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Isn’t he being sarcastic?

No, deadly serious.

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Posted : 30/11/2021 5:12 pm
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Am I a genius or am I wrong?

It's not even about being a genius, it's about having done the work and studied the science, for years. I'm sure Einstein wouldn't know that much about viruses, but I'm equally sure he'd have worn a mask because he'd understand how science works and respect those who've been working in it for decades.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 5:20 pm
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Re steaming up - some of my wife's homemade masks are good for me when I'm wearing glasses because they have a decent length of the wire that you use for training roses and stuff to walls in the garden across the nose piece. It's more malleable than what you get in the standard masks and it fits across my nose which closes off the holes by my nose that breath would escape from.

So perhaps different masks or mask modding might work. Maybe slip in a bit of the stripped copper wire from electrical cable or something.


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 5:24 pm
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Marina Hyde seems to have had enough of anti-mask bullshit.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/30/anti-mask-blitz-war-public-good


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 5:27 pm
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Don't get it either
i cant see a negative to wearing one, ive encouraged my 10 yo lad to wear one all the time in shops etc.. as i cant see how it can be a bad thing.
i ride regularly with an anti vax/masker and as far as we got was deciding it was best not to mention it either way..
I do however, ask myself. .what if i am wrong? what if it is some sort of conspiracy... i mean, there is always a chance right?


 
Posted : 30/11/2021 5:40 pm
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The thing with conspiracies is that there’s always some ultimate, worthwhile end goal from which the conspirators benefit

It’s difficult to see what is achieved by anybody in making everyone wear a piece of cloth over there face in Tesco


 
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