Now has a bed in ICU. His family all have tested positive. Things aren’t looking good for him just now.
I don’t understand his mindset
Beats me too. But what’s taking place here is pure Darwinism. The gene pool is cleansing itself.
That’s why I’ve continued to wear a mask all the time in indoor public places and I’m now triple jabbed. I cant think of a single reason why evolution would dictate I should be allowed to breed and continue living, so I’m not taking any chances
The anti-everything brigade are essentially climbing into a swimming pool containing a hungry crocodile and just hoping that it won’t eat them.
Let them get on with it
the amount of people who have a gypsys and just walk out is baffling!
As an old friend once said, "I don't pee on my hands and I haven't got a dirty nob so why would I wash my hands?".
Also, the chances of catching Covid from yours or someone else's nob is pretty low!
Not saying that it's not filthy behaviour mind you, it definitely is!
Probably all the English people going up to Scotland on holiday.
For balance, we had to travel all the way from Derby to Edinburgh in order catch the damn virus 🤣
the amount of people who have a gypsys and just walk out is baffling!
As an old friend once said, “I don’t pee on my hands and I haven’t got a dirty nob so why would I wash my hands?”.
Also, the chances of catching Covid from yours or someone else’s nob is pretty low!
This is demonstrably wrong. But, if you can't be bothered to wash your hands after using the toilet, then the chance of you being hygienic in other parts of your life are pretty low.
It's handling bog infrastructure that makes me reach for the carbolic. Doors in particular. Washing before opening them is obviously essential, but why oh why is it always hard to wash outside afterwards.
I was lucky.. straight to the lab sinks next door.
Quick update from my shop today....
Last week 80% of people didn't wear masks ! - today that's dropped to around 20%.
I've reminded my most vocal anti mask/vaccine customers it'll be mandatory tomorrow and although obviously peeved I've not had any arguments yet.
One group of sub 30yr olds who buy there lunch regularly maskless, even went back to their office to get them when they realised they'd need them!
So far so good....
That and the incorrect use of low quality non FFP2 masks..
The law only requires a face covering. Does anyone actually claim that proper FFP2 masks don't work? What doesn't appear to make any difference is the type of face coverings that are commonly used.
Ah did you study at the FB School of Epidemiology as well? I don’t see how you can possibly think you have enough data (or ability to interpret it) to make such a bold statement.
And the insults start. Covid rates across the UK have been broadly similar despite face coverings being mandatory in parts. The simple explanation is that the requirement to wear face coverings in certain places doesn't work. It certainly seems more likely than that it's very effective but everyone outside of England has increased transmission elsewhere.
Washing before opening them is obviously essential, but why oh why is it always hard to wash outside afterwards.
Always annoys me that so many bog doors have to be pulled to exit. Got nice clean hands? Oh wait, prepare to grapple with some dirty scutter's piss on the way out!
Oddly only 1 of the 4 people working at the mobile testing unit I went to today was wearing 1.
On our site that is firing offence. There again our Covid warden caught it and infected her 3 close friends at work. Somewhat compromised her authoritory...
The simple explanation is that the requirement to wear face coverings in certain places doesn’t work.
Simple explanation of these things doesn't work & seems to be where/why&how antivax/mask get there info from, selective or face value data.
It seems the evidence for masks is pretty limited.
And the experiment with different masks laws in Scotland and England hasn't shown SCotland to be better off.
I'm double vaccinated and boosted. I have reduced social contacts. I give everyone 2m space where possible in shops. I'm not convinced that after that masks make any difference.
In fact is it possible that risk compensation may balance out any benefit from masks as people feel safer and increase social contact and are less careful about spacing? Since this whole thing started I have only once been in a jam packed restaurant where everyone was elbow to elbow with both their own company and neighouring tables. Everyone wore masks walking around but the risk was from being in such a crowded place at all not whether masks were worn.
. I give everyone 2m space where possible in shops. I’m not convinced that after that masks make any difference.
Well that's me convinced 🙄
@irc I assume as people were wearing masks in the restaurant track and trace was in place ? Which is why they were allowed to reopen without masks.....
In fact is it possible that risk compensation may balance out any benefit from masks as people feel safer and increase social contact and are less careful about spacing?
Conversely is it possible not wearing masks brings a false sense of complacency and increases transmission? Personally when wearing a mask I'm more aware of social distancing as it's a constant reminder.
If you can’t hear a raised voice through a bit of cloth I suggest you get checked out for hearing aids. Since all this broke, the one and only time it’s presented an issue for me is with a deaf neighbour who lip-reads.
Bit of cloth and a perspex screen makes it challenging and I seemingly have perfectly fine hearing if my annual medical is anything to go by.
And the insults start. Covid rates across the UK have been broadly similar despite face coverings being mandatory in parts. The simple explanation is that the requirement to wear face coverings in certain places doesn’t work.
Or that the way they are being worn, construction or use habit is ineffective. I presume you have data for that too?
I have often wondered what the big deal is?
Its just an easy state to default to, wearing one. I went out summer 2020 and bought the F1 ones for the four of us, thinking we are going to be using these for a while. Not sure how good they are, worth a try..
I live at the end of a train-line into Waterloo. I went on the train for the first time in a few years to get to one of my offices in Wimbledon. At my end of the line everyone had a mask on and as I got closer to central London there were more and more not wearing, noticeably.
Last Sept we went on a holiday booked a while back to Greece and then I went cycling with some mates to Italy. Everyone was good-as-gold in both these countries, everyone wore masks, even kids. Inside shops and even outside when there was a build up of people. Got off the plane in the UK and called into the local petrol stn on my way home and almost everyone was in there without masks, even though it said on the door you need them. I also had a couple people bump into me..
I asked the checkout dude why dont you tell them off and he said people start getting really arsey about it, so they dont bother.
What is this about? I bet the amount of people who cant wear masks for health reasons are super low numbers, and not like 50% as it seems. The dude on STF who is very knowledgeable about this stuff, said on his Pod-Cast that people do what they perceive they can get away with. If they know they had a 1 in 10 chance of catching it and popping their clogs, they wouldn't go out let alone not wear a mask!
Covid rates across the UK have been broadly similar despite face coverings being mandatory in parts. The simple explanation is that the requirement to wear face coverings in certain places doesn’t work. It certainly seems more likely than that it’s very effective but everyone outside of England has increased transmission elsewhere.
whilst this could be one explanation, the other could be that the places where not wearing a mask is allowed, is where transmission is more likely? the requirement to wear a mask in public indoor spaces and then not wear one in a pub when drinking (or have a drink in hand/table/waiting to be poured) or dancing, so clubs and gigs to me seems daft, but I do understand that there isn't the central government backing (i.e. funds) to enable potentially reducing the income of social venues, so we have to be advised to do what we can.
Lots of 'the measures we have aren't perfect so why bother' arguments here - pretty dire stuff.
Last week 80% of people didn’t wear masks ! – today that’s dropped to around 20%.
I’ve reminded my most vocal anti mask/vaccine customers it’ll be mandatory tomorrow and although obviously peeved I’ve not had any arguments yet.
Glad to hear that
Lots of ‘the measures we have aren’t perfect so why bother’ arguments here – pretty dire stuff.
It's not that the measures aren't perfect, it's they appear to be entirely ineffective. Why legislate for something that doesn't appear to make any difference in practice? Why not force people to wear bobble hats in shops instead? My main problem is that certain people seem to be overjoyed about forcing others to do something they think they should and the sneering attitude towards those who question it. Wear a face covering if it makes you feel better but don't pretend it actually makes any real difference. There's a very good reason other countries mandated at least FFP2 masks for public transport etc.
My main problem is that certain people seem to be overjoyed about forcing others to do something they think they should and the sneering attitude towards those who question it.
This is pretty much entirely projection on your part and bears no relation to my reality.
Wear a face covering if it makes you feel better but don’t pretend it actually makes any real difference. There’s a very good reason other countries mandated at least FFP2 masks for public transport etc
I'm wearing FFP2 masks thanks, I wish everyone was too and I don't see why it's not mandated. Maybe the government doesn't have mates with good links for them yet. I don't see how you think you can say with such confidence other masks don't work though.
Anyway it's not really about making me feel better, but I can tell you people like my mum would feel much more able/confident to attend public events she'd love to go to (like the recent Kendal Mountain Festival) if even a decent proportion of people were wearing masks in crowded areas, being conscientious about hand-washing/sanitising, and maintaining social distancing where feasible.
She's currently waiting for a cancer op and her husband has just had heart surgery and they're getting on in years and have been advised to be v careful. Them having to sit out doing activities they love in possibly some of their relatively few remaining years because other people are too selfish to take some basic precautions doesn't sit well with me.
But hey carry on your righteous crusade against your imaginary oppressors if it makes you feel better - I'm surprised you haven't talked about virtue-signalling yet.
I bet the amount of people who cant wear masks for health reasons are super low numbers, and not like 50% as it seems.
On Northern Rail, they have automated announcements saying "Please wear a face covering to help keep everyone safe. We understand not everyone can wear a face covering" which is the get out clause. I'm assuming that'll change now as masks become mandatory again but there does seem to be a lot of people who have all sorts of spurious reasons as to why they can't wear one... 🙄
If you are too anxious to be wearing a simple piece of cloth, you probably shouldn't be on a crowded commuter train.
This is pretty much entirely projection on your part and bears no relation to my reality.
Read the first few posts in the tread. It might not be your view but what else would you call "pig ignorant idiots with an unwarranted sense of entitlement", "Selfish, entitled people", "They are vain", "a sign of some sort of mental illness"
I’m wearing FFP2 masks thanks
Good for you. I don't personally see the need as I'm vaccinated. I'll wear a face covering where it's mandated as I've done when I visited Scotland despite thinking it pointless. I'm not being oppressed by occasionally having to wear a mask. However I object to laws being enacted with little scrutiny or point just to at best appear to be doing something, or more cynically move the news cycle on.
Gribs, mask wearing should be seen as one of a number of measures which, when combined, have a measurable effect.
You don't see the need to wear one as you're vaccinated? Are you an immunologist of virologist or qualified medical professional with expertise which give weight to your emissions and give them some relevance?
Are you some relation to twrch who's been posting on the coronavirus thread?
You both have similar views.
I don’t personally see the need as I’m vaccinated.
Ah, the "I'm alright so bollocks to everyone else" argument. I'll remind you of that when my stroke-survivor and double kidney failure near-80 mother is dead because some **** thought it was an infringement on their civil liberties to be asked not to sneeze on her.
It's a bit of cloth. Think it's pointless if you like, but grow the hell up.
Had the omicron transformer speech from a guy at work. As soon as I mentioned it's a Greek letter of the alphabet he moved on to find someone more aligned to his way of thinking. Heard the words boffins and morons float up the stairs. Yep ok.
O hai you called!
I had an interesting theory presented to me on the other thread, about mask wearing in the Nations. Apparently, because Wales is historically fatter and less healthy, we need more masking, to stop us dying of Covid. I therefore claim my exemption, because I am not fat and am in fact quite healthy.
And as for being vaccinated - well, vaccines don't do much for transmission. You just need one, even if you're not particularly at risk. You also need to keep wearing the mask, even though it also doesn't do much for stopping transmission. Because you might kill someone's grandma (who is also presumably vaccinated, and with a vaccine that is apparently very effective at reducing symptoms).
Just wear the bit of cloth! It's easy, and we don't need to talk to or smile at strangers.
^^ You did attempt to formulate coherent arguments on the other thread in the main.
You've now switched to blatant trolling which has done nothing more than undermine any points you tried to make.
Far worse though, to make light of people trying to protect elderly/ infirm or both, family members, which happens to include myself and a fair few others on here.
twrch = troll.
Funny you should say that, I am basically a recovering internet addict with a penchant for trolling. I also happen to like mountain biking a lot.
Still, I stand by every word I've said.
Also - I have no issue with you doing what you gotta do to keep your family healthy and sane. I suppose the problem comes when you are convinced that someone not wearing a mask is putting your family in deadly peril, and the other person is convinced that (especially as a healthy person with no symptoms) wearing a mask creates practically no difference in the level of risk they present to the general public.
Yawn.
Still, I stand by every word I’ve said.
Yeah but you are making stuff up, like this :
Apparently, because Wales is historically fatter and less healthy, we need more masking, to stop us dying of Covid. I therefore claim my exemption, because I am not fat and am in fact quite healthy.
No one has mentioned anything about Welsh people being fatter, apart from you.
And someone pointed that the high rate of lung diseases in industrial areas can affect the level of fatalities from a virus which is known to specifically target lungs, a perfectly reasonable point.
You also don't appear to understand that wearing a face covering has nothing to do with protecting the wearer, so you being allegedly fit and healthy is irrelevant.
I don't know why you don't understand, it has been pointed out to you several times and it is not exactly complicated. Most people have no problem understanding the role of face coverings.
OP, it’s because it spoils things for them. That’s why they are angry. That, and they believe it’s a big old lie.
New in from anti-mask central:
“We were talking about it, ie what are they going to do? They are going to ruin Christmas! And lo and behold, it’s nearly Christmas…they ruined Christmas”
There we have it folks. Hirsute TV Historian-turned-GeeBeebiesJesus knew all along that this so-called ‘variant’ has been a setup by them to spoil his Christmas.
Words fail me.
And the experiment with different masks laws in Scotland and England hasn’t shown Scotland to be better off.
Well I'd always be hesitant about inferring too much from different differences north and south of the border, given there are more than just mask differences (slightly higher vaccination uptake in Scotland; a bit more working from home still happening but on the other hand shitter weather / darker nights meaning likely more indoor mixing). However if you want to make assertions as you have then you might at least get the basic facts right:
- Scotland has about 20% fewer new cases per 100K people last week than England. (Interestingly Prof Wood, the author of the Spectator article you linked to, says the Scottish Government's "scientific justification" is based on a paper that suggests a 15% reduction in transmission.)
- R number in England is estimated to be >1, but is probably ~1 (or maybe below) in Scotland
If you have an R number of 1.1 then something that can reduce that by even 10% is hugely significant! If it can do so without a huge impact on people or economies (which has other long term health effects) then it's surely a no brainer - if you allow R>1 you risk inevitable further more draconian measures?
In fact is it possible that risk compensation may balance out any benefit from masks as people feel safer and increase social contact and are less careful about spacing?
Whilst much noise is made about risk compensation the limited scientific evidence seems to suggest it is overstated: https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2913. My anecdotal experience is that social distancing is being less well adhered to parts of England where mask-wearing is low than in parts of Scotland where mask-wearing is high - so rather the opposite effect seems to be happening - people are interpreting "don't have to wear a mask" as "get back to normal" (FWIW 2m distancing is rare even in Scotland).
Words fail me.
Five minutes in,
"a desire to lean on a crotch".
4mins in
“Masks don’t work”
So there we have it. It’s all very much mock-earnestly
But they are pushing the boat out announcing now that ‘masks don’t work’.
Ofcom still won’t touch it. Guaranteed.
Reading hundreds of comments of angry anti-maskers it becomes clear that many/most of that demographic are fully convinced that we (under Boris Johnson) have so far suffered ‘draconian’ lockdowns and mandates as per the likes of China or Singapore. But they can’t of course explain why (to date):
UK = +2000 COVID deaths per million
Singapore= 128 COVID deaths per million
(also worth noting:)
UK population density: 281 per Km2
Singapore population density: 8,019 per Km2
It's the likes of Julia Hartley-Brewer and Laurence Fox constantly stirring this up on SM.
They are responsible for a lot of the vacant anger of the alt-right pushing against the best interest of society.
You see, these people are angry and they are targeting the wrong things in society. Often the thing that serves them. They use freedom as the excuse whilst ignoring anything the government has actually done to erode liberties or damage democracy.
Anger at the NHS is pretty much the next target too.
You create market led economies and you breed this attitude.
It's a warped sense of libertarianism.
We've lost the ability to care.
I find it v difficult to do my job as photographer wearing a mask because it makes the viewfinder steam up and basically become unusable. If anyone has any bright ideas regarding that I’m all ears.
Can't you just use an LCD monitor?
As a film maker/camera operator this is how we have got by. We mount 5" screens to everything instead of using an eye-piece.
a bit more working from home still happening
Pretty sure Scotland never had, and likely still doesn’t have particularly high levels of WFH. Not really sure what it is now, but I’ve not seen anything to suggest higher rates than the rUK to any notable amount.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/homeworkingintheuklabourmarket2020
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-8-4-million-were-working-from-home-last-year-as-pandemic-struck-12309068
Is there anything for 2021?
I find it v difficult to do my job as photographer wearing a mask because it makes the viewfinder steam up and basically become unusable. If anyone has any bright ideas regarding that I’m all ears.
Hold you breath sniper style.
I'd like to see that bawbag Oliver shot with a ball of his own shite.
Why do these folk actually think that the government want to kill Christmas? Weird.
You also need to keep wearing the mask, even though it also doesn’t do much for stopping transmission. Because you might kill someone’s grandma (who is also presumably vaccinated, and with a vaccine that is apparently very effective at reducing symptoms).
It’s not about absolutes. Vaccines are not 100% effective against severe symptoms or death, and masks aren’t 100% effective at stopping transmission.
If masks stop some transmission and stop some serious infections or death in those where the vaccine isn’t 100% effective, or the unvaccinated, are they not worth wearing in more crowded spaces?
I hate wearing them to be honest, I have doubts how effective they are, but I’ll stick one on as advised because I’m ill equipped to put forward an intelligent, informed argument to counter the advice given by people who actually know this stuff.
I don’t personally see the need as I’m vaccinated.
2 years in and someone comes out with this?
Can’t you just use an LCD monitor?
As a film maker/camera operator this is how we have got by. We mount 5″ screens to everything instead of using an eye-piece.
Maybe too much of a thread hijack but... I am one of those luddites who still uses DSLR cameras with an actual mirror box/viewfinder. It does have Live View but it's pretty slow and crap to focus compared to using the viewfinder. I assume an LCD monitor would just give me the same as Live View. Would work for some slower-moving stuff I guess.
I tend to shoot a lot of weddings and events documentary style with fast primes fairly wide open so need to be pretty quick/accurate with focussing.
I have wondered about updating to all mirrorless stuff which I guess would make using a screen easier as it's designed around an electronic screen in the viewfinder. Or just get more into doing video anyway seeing as that's the way of the world increasingly.
And @martinhutch I have tried one brand of lens fogging stuff but with limited success, any recommendations?
I find it v difficult to do my job as photographer wearing a mask because it makes the viewfinder steam up and basically become unusable. If anyone has any bright ideas regarding that I’m all ears.
2 years in and someone comes out with this?
Yep, a good example of how people just don't understand it. Yet those same people are against those very things they don't understand.
