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I cannot imagine what club will take him now. Maybe a second division side? Will one of he relegation threatened clubs take him on for the last couple of games?
TandemJeremy - Member
I cannot imagine what club will take him now
Melbourne Rebels. Home to washed out stars of the tabloid press. They look like they're about to drop their current tabloid wasteofspace, so perhaps they'd like another.
Maybe Max Evans might start going out with Charlotte Church...
I do wonder. flee to the antipodes.
Idiot. I thought it all looked set up so nicely for him too, a good start at Toulon, a chance to break back into the Welsh squad...
I think it all a bit of a shame really. Very talented centre, still plenty to offer rugby but can't get his attitude sorted.
I was thinking the same as CFH in that he may well go to Oz. I have a feeling that wales will still take him to the WC though.
Has Powell still got a job?
Like AA I am a huge admirer of GH, one of the best players Wales have ever produced but enough is enough. I hope he finds whatever he is looking for but I am done with supporting him.
I am sure he will lose sleep over it 😉
I honestly can't understand his thought process.
Slagging off your team mates in a bar is not a great idea at the best of times but to directly slag off Jonny Wilkinson, who - despite anyone's personal view - is a man who has played at the very highest level and come away with the medals to prove he has the mental toughness to do so.
Can he not see that this perpetual 'bigging himself up' attitude can only carry you when you've actually got a very, very good record over a decent length of time, and even then it's not really a great idea.
The way i see it he seems to think rugby owes him a living because he has a talent, the problem is Gavin lots of other blokes do too and they work a LOT harder at it than you have been doing.
All that talent and he's blown it, he'll not go to this WC and i can't really see him anywhere near the Wales squad in 4 yrs time - in fact i'll be very surprised if he's even playing top flight rugby by then.
"Henson has had an attitude which has been difficult to manage," admitted Boudjellal on Friday.
Manager can't deal with demanding player, so the solution is to sack shocker!
"He's a cut above and makes me think of Sonny Bill Williams. They are boys who are cuts above. But sometimes they hit rock bottom."
Maybe it's the attitude that makes him a cut above the rest. 🙄
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/9465489.stm ]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/9465489.stm[/url]
Manager can't deal with demanding player, so the solution is to sack shocker!
The point is he doesn't have to. Henson was given a chance by a club who many very talented players would love to play for.
What I will say though is the toulon management were concerned that he would be going to the world cup and in my opinion, this affected the decision to sack him.
Maybe it's the attitude that makes him a cut above the rest.
Well he's not the best player on the planet (by some margin) and other better players seem to be able to hold down a job.
The point is he doesn't have to.
This will go round in circles now, but there are also class managers who know how to deal with difficult players. Nice position for a manager to be in to be able to sack any one in the team who requires a bit of effort. Just saying it's not always so clear for me.
Well he's not the best player on the planet (by some margin) and other better players seem to be able to hold down a job.
And players with less of a profile who maybe get away with more.
other better players
I heard someone compare and contrast him with BO'D. Both the same generation, similar positions, not too far apart in age.
One of them will be remembered as a great by everybody.
One of them will be remembered as a "could have been great" by some one-eyed welshmen 😉
One of them will be remembered as a great by everybody.
Not everybody, Darcy, not everybody.
🙄One of them will be remembered as a "could have been great" by some one-eyed [s]w[/s][b]W[/b]elshmen
Not everybody, Darcy, not everybody.
Your opinion doesn't count flashy. You couldn't even dredge up the good grace to congratulate the Irish on their grand slam. If you don't think O'Driscoll is great, then, honestly, what the **** do you know at all?!?
Thing is DS, whether you like him or not Jonny Wilkinson has been (and continues to be) a huge draw at Toulon, having some new bloke come in and start slagging him off was never going to go down well.
Phillipe St Andre is no stranger to 'difficult' players as we saw from his time at Sale. PSA handled some players - Chabal for example - brilliantly, allowing him a little slack but always expecting him to step up and be a team player. Other players were out of the door, it depends on how they acted. PSA has a very low tolerance for violence from his players, one was fired after punching a visiting supporter who grabbed the player.
GH was pretty disinterested whilst at Sarries, that won't have gone unnoticed by PSA, it's a small world and players who are deemed to be lazy and/or have a bad attitude will get found out pretty quickly i think.
I honestly can't see how he can come back from this, if he'd kept his head down and worked hard, polishing his skills and letting his rugby do the talking he would have been most likely have been on the plane to NZ this autumn, instead he'll be sat at home wondering why he's been picked on again 🙄
Touched a nerve, have I, petal? 😉
Touched a nerve, have I, petal?
Actually no flashy, but I can remember how quiet you were the day we won it. No grace, that's your problem. Despite all that breeding you'd like to have STW think exists, you lack graciousness.
Oh and apologies to Simone for the lack of capital 😉 (Slap me again? 😉 ) x
Thing is DS, whether you like him or not Jonny Wilkinson has been (and continues to be) a huge draw at Toulon, having some new bloke come in and start slagging him off was never going to go down well.
So who's the prima donna then? Poor little Jonny... 😥
one was fired after punching a visiting supporter who grabbed the player.
Kind of difficult to defend, no?
I was just pointing out a different point of view, two sides and all that... 😉
Proper bitch slapping for you sonny Jim.
Crikey, you remember that sort of thing? I may just have been in the pub, I really can't remember! Sorry if my silence offended you so....
🙂
It seems he fought with Matt Henjak and slagged off JW and the Toulon Captain Joe Van Neikerk. I rather suspect it was the insulting of his Club Captain rather than JW that upset PSA - along with the fighting of course.
He was annoyed at Sarries for not getting enough time in his 'preferred positions' - excuse me? You waltz out of Ospreys with your nose in the air after pee'ing off the club, spend 18 months fannying around then expect, nay, Demand that a Premiership Club should accomodate you rather than the other way around?
You then slink off to Toulon, a big club in a League most players would love to play in and the first thing you do is insult, upset and fight with your team mates???
The lad is an idiot i'm afraid, a great talent unfortunately wasted on an immature, spoilt brat.
So who's the prima donna then? Poor little Jonny...
??? what a ridiculous comment, he wasn't even involved and may not even have been there. You could accuse JW of many things but he is no primadona.
Henson, although a good player has pizzed off the management and players at Ospreys, Saracens and now Toulon. See a pattern emerging? Is it all of the respective coaches and players faults for not making allowances?
It's still a shame as I think the game would benefit from Henson in form playing good rugby and keeping his head down. It is seeming less and less likely to happen now.
and slagged off JW
🙄
WTF??pizzed off
Nicholas Anelka? Ring any bells?See a pattern emerging? Is it all of the respective coaches and players faults for not making allowances?
An idiot and wasted talent for sure, but still managed to achieve more than most on the international scene - lions test caps and 2 grand slams.
I half expect another Premiership level team will be taking him on - we won't see him playing for Cornish Pirates anytime soon. Possibly on a pay as he plays deal, if that can be done.
and slagged off JW
And? How is JW a primadona because his team mates stuck up for him?
WTF??
WTF?
Nicholas Anelka? Ring any bells?
Nope
Anyway, it seems we may have jumped the gun;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/apr/26/toulon-gavin-henson
And? How is JW a primadona because his team mates stuck up for him?
Because the Handsome Gav called him a nasty name and pizzed (sic) him off and he had to get his friends to help him, poor little Jonny.
Nicholas Anelka? Ring any bells?Nope
Maybe you should broaden your horizons a bit then to see that managers and difficult team members exist in all walks of life.
Because the Handsome Gav called him a nasty name and pizzed (sic) him off and he had to get his friends to help him, poor little Jonny.
So JW was there was he?
"handsome Gav called him a nasty name"?
Maybe he should havve proved his worth as a player like everyone else had to before gobbing off to the point that he got banged out.
Maybe I have very broad horizons and just plain don't like football.
So JW was there was he?
Dunno, ask your felllow Handsome Gav hater...
muddydwarf - MemberI honestly can't understand his thought process.
Slagging off your team mates in a bar is not a great idea at the best of times [b]but to directly slag off Jonny Wilkinson[/b], who -
muddydwarf - MemberThing is DS, whether you like him or not [b]Jonny Wilkinson[/b] has been (and continues to be) a huge draw at Toulon, [b]having some new bloke come in and start slagging him off[/b] was never going to go down well.
muddydwarf - Member[b]It seems he fought with Matt Henjak and slagged off JW[/b] and the Toulon Captain Joe Van Neikerk. I rather suspect it was the insulting of his Club Captain rather than JW that upset PSA - along with the fighting of course.
I was neither there nor jumping to any conclusions.
And none of the posts you've quoted suggests that he was there either but you did say
Because the Handsome Gav called him a nasty name and pizzed (sic) him off and he had to get his friends to help him, poor little Jonny.
Which suggests that you were indeed jumping to conclusions. Why call me a handsome gav hater? I mean, I'm handsome but I'm not a gav hater.
Which suggests that you were indeed jumping to conclusions.
I see what you did there, that's clever. And it's [b]H[/b]andsome [b]G[/b]av too. 🙄
Oh, and the Grauniad article you linked to.
Toulon's silence leaves Henson in limbo. A week ago he was suspended for one game for allegedly fighting with an Australian team?mate, Matt Henjak, and bad?mouthing Jonny Wilkinson and the club captain, Joe van Niekerk, during celebrations at a night club in Hyeres following Toulon's win over the European champions, Toulouse.
Kind of suggests that saying nasty words to JW was part of the problem at the same party where he was involved in a fight as well as saying nasty words to JvN. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions. 😉
don simon, this isn't about hating a rugby player who we've probably not even met (I thought he was good on the snowy competition) It's about discussing a bloke who seems to be trying to ruin every chance he gets. This has nothing to do with JW, he was just one of at least 3 team mates he decided to criticise including his capt. He wouldn't be the first bloke to drop a bollock on the pi[i]ss[/i], but he does know that everyone is watching him and many (I don't include myself in this) want him to mess it all up again. All he has to do is toe the line and keep his handsome nose clean. It shouldn't be that hard.
Does this mean you don't think I'm handsome? i have got feelings you know.
And the above link also doesn't suggest that JW was there either.
😯And the above link also doesn't suggest that JW was there either.
Are you some high flying lawyer?
All I suggested earlier was that a lesser player would have got away with it, probably, but Handsome Gav is close to being fired.
For a Saes you scrub up well Backhander 😉
Thanks pigface. Hang on, should I be offended by that?
Oh dear oh dear. It all descends into what would be called " a bit of handbags"
BOD is the greatest player I have seen by far in 40 years of watching rugby. Henson is pissing his talent away.
Punching a teammate? Instant sack in my book
he is a thick tosser and thats the end of it
Henson was a massive talent, a player of genuine class, trouble is he believed the hype and turned into a preening show pony. Will he get it back? mmmm maybe. I now put him in the same pigeon hole as Danny Ciprianni, they both had it all (in and out of the game) and f*cked it up!
They both now have a massive job to do.
So do any of you know why Henjak left australia?
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/rugby/sare-back-from-broken-jaw/story-e6frey4i-1111116031615
Seems like a the type of person who deserves a slap.
Henson is an idiot clearly. But you read these threads and opinions about him being lazy and disintrested and flash and its so far from the bloke who plays rugby. He's clearly got himself very fit as his two games for Toulon proved, not many players would be able to get that fit without match practice. He's far from being lazy in his defence, he works very hard to get back into the defensive line, much moreso than many and he isnt flash he just does the basics well.
BOD is the greatest player I have seen by far in 40 years of watching rugby.
**** you havent seen much rugby!
Henson is pissing his talent away
True
Fitness wouldnt be Hensons problem he clearly lives for the gym. I wouldnt tag him as lazy either.
and if Gavin said Van Niekirk was an idiot for getting a dumb yellow and that JW's play would improve if he actually passed to his 12 rather than every time do a miss pass to the 13 using 12 as a dummy runner then Henson would have been spot on.
Oh dear oh dear. It all descends into what would be called " a bit of handbags"
Sorry, don't want to step on your toes, TJ. 🙄
Seems like a the type of person who deserves a slap.
Same could be said for Henson.
Anyway, in the real world....
BOD is the greatest player I have seen by far in 40 years of watching rugby
Classic! 😀
BOD is a fabulous rugby player without doubt. But that is by far the funniest line I've heard all week.
Bullheart, +1 🙂
A.A, does Gavin still know you are there for him? I would echo what others have said,he had/has great deal of talent on the pitch but is lacking the ability to coduct himself off it.In these days of the professional game the two are linked.And the two of you,bh and ds STOP BITCHING, big parts of each others post quoted,it is like a thread on religion or helmets,remember this is AA's fanboi site,show some respect. Now what hair product for subs appearance at 12?