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Who would you say was better than BOD?
Edit - I was only thinking of the home nations 🙂 Plenty of great s from the trinations 😳
BOD the greatest player in 40 years? I'm only 30 myself, can only remember any international rugby as far back as 20 years ago, but can think of several greater players! Best Irish centre in 40 years, quite possibly, but greatest player... No chance.
Back on topic with Henson... Took the pee out of my mate Ernst, who incidentally is number 8 for Saracens, when Gavin joined them. Get the feeling Sarries were glad to see the back of him! The guy is his own worst enemy, a bit of a joke if you ask me. By being a bit of a school girl pinup, and posing for whoever would pay him money to endorse a product, as well as marrying a famous singer, he's kind've done the David Beckham thing... Only Beckham has always had the sense to know that none of the rest of it actually matters, it's On the pitch where it counts...
I hope for his sake Henson takes this as a prompt to sort his priorities out, cos otherwise what could have been a reasonably promising career is all but over due to his ego!
TandemJeremy - Member
Who would you say was better than BOD?Edit - I 'm frantically back pedalling now, as I realise the error of my earlier statement....
FTFY!
BOD's a good player, no mistake. I have issues with his tackling (or lack thereeof at times) as well as his attitude at times. When the game is going against him, his head often drops and he goes in to a little sulk!
You want great? Jason Leonard. Richard Hill. Michael Jones. Jean-Pierre Rives. Serge Blanco. Etc. etc. etc.
If we're going back forty years, we're almost in to JPR and Gareth territory as well!
BOD is the greatest player I have seen by far in 40 years of watching [b]home nations[/b] rugby
Clarification is the key TJ...! 😉
BOD is a great player in a good team. The key is to be the greatest player in a great team. For the home nations? Richard Hill - an astonishing flanker; subtle, incredible work-rate, who was the keystone of a good side. Dallaglio (also excellent), Scott Gibbs, Phil Bennett, Gareth Edwards, etc.
The greatest player ever? No question.
Michael Jones. More complete a player than has ever played before. Could have been a back or a forward.
For the home nations? Richard Hill - an astonishing flanker; subtle, incredible work-rate, who was the keystone of a good side.
Lovely guy as well. I played alongside and against him a lot in my youth. Great, great player.
Which team did you play for?
I played at 6 for London Scottish against Hill a few times and have a somewhat different view of him.
Which team did you play for?
Clearly, you don't read much of Flash's posts. He's bullshitting again.
For clarification, the reason I brought BOD into the discussion yesterday (or whenever) was because I heard a discussion about Henson on 5live Rugby Special when his latest cock-up in Toulon had come to light. The chaps on there used BOD as a comparison because he and Henson are of a similar age, of the same generation and came to prominence at a similar time.
Their inference that when we look back on the two of them in years to come, that only one of them will be remembered as a great player.
O'Driscoll will never win a world cup; it's fair to say that nobody in an Ireland shirt will ever win a world cup so there's not much point using that as a marker. He has kept himself fit (the odd injuries aside), won a Grand Slam (even if according to bullheart, it was only a "good" team), captained Leinster to Heineken Cup glory and a few recent hammerings of Munster, a team to which they'd played second fiddle in Ireland for a long time. He's won games almost single-handedly for Ireland when they've struggled.
I'm not putting O'Driscoll up there with some of the legends of the game, but he'd have his position in most international teams of the last decade were he available to any of them for selection.
Labelling any player as "great" is always putting oneself on shaky ground.
He's certainly one of the best six nations players of the professional era - probably the best centre of the last decade. He's also a nice guy, a model professional and I'd be happy for any kid to look up to him as a model of how to be a fantastic rugby player.
Ugly ****er though, ain't he? 😉
I'm not putting O'Driscoll up there with some of the legends of the game, but he'd have his position in most international teams of the last decade were he available to any of them for selection.
Maybe. Maybe not. Umaga, Mortlock, De Villiers, Nonu, Roberts, there are a few that might argue...
probably the best centre of the last decade.
Maybe.
He's also a nice guy, a model professional and I'd be happy for any kid to look up to him as a model of how to be a fantastic rugby player.
Most definitely.
...won a Grand Slam (even if according to bullheart, it was only a "good" team)
It was exactly that. A good team. And in the following team, granted with some injuries, that 'good' team lost to the Baa-Baa's, NZ Maori and to Australia.
Chunky, this was at schoolboy level, so many, many years ago...!
O'Driscoll is going to finish up with 120-plus caps for Ireland, he has been a key player in 3 Lions Tours, won a load of Triple Crowns, a Grand Slam, and a Heineken Cup. He has been the best outside centre in the world for the best part of a decade. He is a constant threat in attack, he can rip a team to pieces himself or create space for others, he hits like a flanker and turns over more ball than a lot of forwards.
Its fashionable amongst a certain type of rugby fan to knock O'Driscoll and pick holes in his game but he will be remembered as one of the most influential rugby players of all time. For all the strengths of his game, the biggest attribute any rugby player can have is the ability to turn a game with a moment of individual brilliance - he has been doing that his whole career.
BBC 100 Cap Tribute with a few salient points from other leading lights of the game.
Maybe. Maybe not.
It's all debatable - that's what I was trying to say - but it doesn't matter what I say, you'd find a name or a stat to pick at, but that's ok, if it keeps you occupied. Really, I'm comparing him to Henson - as someone who wasn't intent on pissing his talent down the drain.
probably the best centre of the last decade.
I meant, of course, in the six nations.
Chunky, this was at schoolboy level, so many, many years ago...!
Yep, thought so...bullshitting again.
Which school CFH? Mr Hill is here today.
Shandy, thanks for the link. Goosebumps - had forgotten it.
Tbh, I'll defer to the likes of Marshall, Johnson and Wilkinson in their opinions of him...rather than the STW detractors.
As we all know rugby is more than just being able to show flashes of brilliance, its about teamwork and diplomacy/politics off the field which will affect how you play and how others play with you on the field.
Henson is only capable of the first of these, and then only sporadically. So really he doesn't rate as far as I am concerned because he hasn't been able to convert much of his on field talent by narrowing down his opportunities.
I feel bad for so many other welsh players who are better and have done so much better than Henson, we should be discussing them.
Which Richard Hill, Chunky? 😉
Which Richard Hill, Chunky?
Consider your bluff called.
Caught bullshitting - you're struggling a bit.
Not at all Darcy, you're the only one obsessing about it!
I was at a school which played against the school where both Richard Hills were pupils. I also played alongside one of said Richards in county/divisional level rugby at schoolboy level.
deadlydarcy + 1
watching GH on Strictly (I was forced m'lud by t'wif) I was struck by how immature he was and hoped that maybe the experience would've made him grow up a bit.
Given his behaviour at Sarries & Toulon I guess not 😳 at least he's in the right country to act like a Coq
Not at all Darcy, you're the only one obsessing about it!
Methinks thou dost protest...
Obsessing? Not at all. Enjoying your bullshitting exposed? Absolutely.
CaptainFlashheart - Member
Which Richard Hill, Chunky?
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Ah ok. Thought we were talking about the Mr Hill mentioned above.
I was, Chunky! Always found it rather amusing that both Richard Hills went to the same school, though!
ok
I meant, of course, in the six nations
Of course. 😉
Which school CFH? Mr Hill is here today.
CaptainFlashheart - Member
Which Richard Hill, Chunky?
CaptainFlashheart - Member
Always found it rather amusing that both Richard Hills went to the same school, though
erm...
Glad to come back to this thread and see that more than a few people had mentioned Micheal Jones as the best player of the last 40 years.
Phew, he's set to stay at Toulon for the rest of the season... come on Gavin, show them they've made the right choice!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/may/02/gavin-henson-toulon
A mate who is a fanatical Dragon swore blind this weekend that he was going to Newport 😀 heard it from a friend who is the neighbour of a friend who knows the Hazells etc.
Phew, he's set to stay at Toulon for the rest of the season... come on Gavin, show them they've made the right choice!
So he's bitten the hand that feeds him (Wilkinson in this case), and he's staying at the club? He'll get lots of ball then won't he! 😕
Composition du Rugby Club Toulonnais :
1 - Laurent EMMANUELLI
2 - Sébastien BRUNO
3 - Davit KUBRIASHVILI
4 - Christophe SAMSON
5 - Dean SCHOFIELD
6 - Juan Martin FERNANDEZ-LOBBE
7 - George SMITH
8 - Joe VAN NIEKERK (Cap.)
9 - Fabien CIBRAY (m)
10 - Jonny WILKINSON (o)
11 - Benjamin LAPEYRE
12 - Gavin HENSON
13 - Gabirieli LOVOBALAVU
14 - Paul SACKEY
15 - Rory LAMONTRemplaçants :
16 - Jean-Philippe GENEVOIS
17 - Benjamin BASTERES
18 - Kris CHESNEY
19 - Joe EL ABD
20 - Fotunuupule AUELUA
21 - Felipe CONTEPOMI
22 - Pierre MIGNONI
23 - Carl HAYMAN
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Wales squad v Barbarians (Millennium Stadium, Cardiff; 4 June 1430 BST):Forwards: P James (Ospreys), J Yapp (Cardiff Blues), R Bevington (Ospreys), S Andrews (Cardiff Blues), H Bennett (Ospreys), R Hibbard (Ospreys), L Burns (Newport Gwent Dragons), A-W Jones (Ospreys), R Jones (Ospreys), L Charteris (Newport Gwent Dragons), L Reed (Scarlets), D Lydiate (Newport Gwent Dragons), T Faletau (Newport Gwent Dragons), J Turnbull (Scarlets), S Warburton (Cardiff Blues, capt).
Backs: M Stoddart (Scarlets), G North (Scarlets), A Brew (Newport Gwent Dragons), S Williams (Ospreys), J Davies (Scarlets), S Williams (Scarlets), G Henson (Toulon), S Jones (Scarlets), R Priestland (Scarlets), M Phillips (Ospreys), T Knoyle (Scarlets).
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"As he did not satisfy us, we have decided to release him," said Toulon president and owner Mourad Boudjellal.
Sacked!!! 😆
Brrrrrum Tish 😆
Oh someone lost their job. Hilarious. Glad you find it funny.
No the funny thing was watching the useless tit impersonate a rugby player
"As he did not satisfy us, we have decided to release him," said Toulon president and owner Mourad Boudjellal.Sacked!!!
It refers to Paul Sackey, not Tango Gav.
You want sacked?
Take a look at Sale Sharks - they've released 21 players and 4 backroom staff after getting humped into oblivion at the weekend!
I know we've got players like Richie Vernon coming in but 21 players in one go??? 😯
It refers to Paul Sackey, not Tango Gav.
woosh
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/13347400.stm ]Some people are not impressed at his return to the wales squad[/url]
woosh
Oh.
Glaws put ten tries past Sale at the weekend. The Shed were singing "can we play you every week". A few of them just looked pretty resigned to their fate to me.
Just read this thread - Gavin Henson is a cock. FACT. Now p off and write something interesting about Rugby.
well brilliant work there chameleon, and most likely true, but what makes him interesting is the fact that when it comes to rugby he is hugely talented.
He's not hugely talented as there is no such thing. He has lots of ability which he fails to fulfil mostly.