[Closed] Aliens and UFOs - do you think they're really here?

Aliens & UFOs ?

Do they exist ... I'm sure of it...

Are they here ?

What ........ on this forum ?

Quite possibly reading some of the threads 😉 .......

[i]but in an infinite universe the improbable is certain to happen
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Doesn't that only apply to stochastic processes ?

Some people take far too many drugs, others are just dumb hick yanks, and a few, need to be institutionalised.

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The folks that try to reason with science that ‘there are no other life forms’, ‘proximity to the sun’, etc need to take a step outside the box, anything is possible and it doesn’t have to be constrained by physics or biological make up.

If it's made it here, why has it only made itself known to dumb hick yanks?

😀

[i] Whether people understand the math and the theory and believe that or not is an irrelevance, it's true.:) [/i]

But aren't many of the components of these theories hypotheticals which, with our current technology and understanding, cannot be experimentally verified ?

Surely there are sufficient gaps in "the scientists" current description of observed phenomena for there to be reasonable doubts about their ability to accurately predict all the unobserved ones ....

The best we can say is that it might be possible to find a way to circumnavigate the physical constraints that we have so far observed, but you wouldn't want to bet a lot of money on it.

I prefer to agree with the creationists on this - but replace "god" with "an alien bloke in a lab" and surmise that we are actually a virus in a petri dish and our total span of evolution is actually the time it's taken him/her/it to set up an experiment, go get a cup of coffee and have a quick look on alientrackworld while their boss is in a meeting. This leads ultimately to one of 3 destinies for us :

1) We'll be a successful virus and will be given the means to infect other planets and solar systems as a means of biological warfare
2) The boss will come out of a meeting and explain that funding has been cut and we'll get thrown into the incinerator
3) The alien bloke will drop his morning eclair into the petri dish a la Robbie Coltrane in the Young ones and we'll all die under a flood of whipped cream

So in summary, yes there probably is life out there

"But aren't many of the components of these theories hypotheticals which, with our current technology and understanding, cannot be experimentally verified ?"

If you are talking about elementary derivation of the equivalence of mass and energy, to a degree the Lorentz transformation and absolutely velocity,(which I was) no they are pretty much all proven with approximately 100 years of supporting repeated observation and evidence, which is about as confirmed as you can get, and more than good enough for me to work with:)

Do I believe there is intelligent life out there: Yes
Do I believe aliens are among us: No

Funny thing is, while on this single planet we have things that look like this:
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Aliens are always depicted as looking something like this:
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I suspect they probably don't

The drake equation simply states that in an infinite universe there must be other life no matter how rare but that they tend to destroy themselves before we get to know about them

Does it? I don't think so.

Also where has this talk of space and time being infinite come from?

Jahwomble seems to be the only person with a clue on this thread.

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WTF sort of mole is that?

Ta very much indeed retro:) mind you I've wandered quite a way of topic now, so I'll shut up.

[i]WTF sort of mole is that? [/i]

Star Nose. A(n imaginitively named) thing of beauty.

[edit] fab [url= http://www.itsnature.org/ ]website[/url] btw

What's the thing above it Dez?

Sea slug of some sort. Far more interesting than aliens from another planet eh?

We are currently surrounded by a bubble 60 or so light years in diameter. There are a lot of stars within that and therefore if an alien race could travel just under the speed of light and were only 4 light years away they could have started popping up in the late 1940's had they detected the first high power TV transmissions or atmospheric atomic blasts.

It could also be coincidence that once science put rockets into the air and gave us supersonic secret aircraft that elves, pixies and fairies became aliens 🙂

Either way you have an explanantion.

Star nosed moles are brilliant especially when you can see their nose tendrils or whatever they are flapping about.:)

[i]It could also be coincidence that once science put rockets into the air and gave us supersonic secret aircraft that elves, pixies and fairies became aliens

Either way you have an explanantion
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I've read that 4 times and still it doesn't make sense.

Indeed, and real too!

Right so lets gat back onto whether or not God exists.

I'm with Calvin on this one,

"The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us".

Matt

had they detected the first high power TV transmissions or atmospheric atomic blasts.

[i]I suspect they probably don't [/i]

I'm still hoping they do look like Zoe Saldana nevertheless.
It's more likely they look like klingons and have big pasties stuck to their heads and say things like 'We could copulate but I'm not sure what your pleasure thresholds are'

"Which assumes another lifeform, even if it is scanning for signs of life, has a tool to pick up such activity."

And if they live in a student house, do they have a licence to pick 'em up anyway?

Sorry, off topic again, but look at this. Had to post it somewhere!
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A black dragonfish. Cool.

more importantly, we haven't been recieving any radio transmissions from anywhere else depsite looking like crazy with SETA and the like. Which suggests there's nothing much close at all or aliens use some astounding technology that still eludes us to communicate like mental telepathy.

It's more likely they look like klingons and have big pasties stuck to their heads and say things like 'We could copulate but I'm not sure what your pleasure thresholds are'

If the universe, space and time were infinate as TJ has suggested then even though it's pretty improbable, there is something out there that looks like Klingons, that have big pasties stuck to their heads and are, right now, saying exactly that.

Which, must finally prove that he's wrong about something 🙂

there is something out there that looks like Klingons, that have big pasties stuck to their heads and are, right now, saying exactly that.

This bit from MIB says it all to me....

1500 years ago everybody [b]knew[/b] the earth was the center of the universe. 500 years ago, everybody [b]knew[/b] the earth was flat. And 15 minutes ago you [b]knew[/b] that people were alone on this planet.

Seems like knowledge is evolving all the time, so just because "the man" says it can't happen , doesn't mean it won't ... just means that to the best of his knowledge at this time ... it can't, but things change....

But as H2G2 tells us..
Don't panic - the most reassuring words you're likely to read all day

That's true to some extent and I'm guessing that will prove correct for gravity/dark matter nature of space time etc. But faster than light speed travel is a different matter. Even close to light speed travel does some crazy crazy things and you would need infinate energy to get to light speed. The only way to travel that fast or faster between two points is by bending space around you which is inconcievable with current understanding of what space 'is'

the problem is whenever us humans have come accross a less 'developed' society we tend to enslave the natives, take all their gold and generally shit on them eg, africa, south america, australia

you know what that means for the future of humans........

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how scary would that be- not enslavement by a race of john travoltas, which would
be scary enough, but that scientologists were right all along!!

and as for the OP yes i think they are definately out there but will never come here

Guido - Bronze age wasn't that long ago.....I nicked this from Wikipedia:

Belief in a flat Earth is found in mankind's oldest writings, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh. In early Egyptian[3], and Mesopotamian thought the world was portrayed as a flat disk floating in the ocean, and this forms the premise for early Greek maps such as those of Anaximander and Hecataeus of Miletus.[citation needed]

The Hebrew Bible carried forward the ancient Middle Eastern cosmology, revealed partly in the Enuma Elish, which described a flat earth with a solid roof, surrounded by water above and below. [4][5]

You can have a look yourself & follow the links on WIki. I'm sure that medieval people, bronze age people & whoever else knew that the world was a sphere, but there were people who believed the Earth was flat.

Interesting thread following so soon after the paranormal, "My 2 1/2 year old is talking to dead people thread".

Most interesting because there are several posters who were absolutely positive that there was no such thing as the paranormal, yet they believe in aliens. 🙄

In early Egyptian[3], and Mesopotamian thought the world was portrayed as a flat disk floating in the ocean

In Egypt they thought the world was a ball this can be seen on thousands Statues of Amen Ra, Ra, Horus The Elder etc. It is clearly a ball-(not a disk as they are in 3d).
Also they believe that a huge scarab beetle rolls the ball across the sky.
Never trust Wikipedia

Most interesting because there are several posters who were absolutely positive that there was no such thing as the paranormal, yet they believe in aliens

but science and aliens are much more compatible than science and ghosts

im pretty sure NASA or someone will find bacterial life or traces of bacterial life within our own solar system, europa, mars, io etc etc

these 2 on the other hand are a just clowns
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I think we're not far away from proof of "life" on another earth-like planet, more and more are being discovered all the time, now that we know what to look for, so in that respect, I reckon less than 10 years away. What sort of "life" that is, whether it's a recognisable civilisation, and whether we'll ever meet are more difficult to answer.

Are "they" here now? Who can say?

Most interesting because there are several posters who were absolutely positive that there was no such thing as the paranormal, yet they believe in aliens