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I do feel like the Xenomorph was almost completely superfluous to the plot though. Imho they could have killed it off in the ship crash and focused more on the other, more interesting aliens and synth/android/UI issues, without the fans losing interest.
Yeah, I tend to agree. It was, for me, the least interesting character and the full body shots did make it look a bit 'bloke in a leather suit'.
Reading comprehension fail. I said the first three episodes of Gen V could teach AE stuff about pace and scripting. I didn't hate AE, just thought it was a bit shit and in no way worthy of the forensic dissection you've subjected it to. I kept watching because I'm in my late 50s and grew up with the franchise.
I thought it was entertaining. That's why I watched it all.
Reading comprehension fail.
Ahh, yes. Still weird that you sat through eight hours of something you didn't enjoy. FWIW, I have started watching Gen V – it's okay, but it just feels a bit X-Men just with added sex, swearing and drug use to make it edgy. After one episode it hasn't caught my attention like A:E did.
Like everything that has come after Alien, it was just disappointing.
Big fuss made about all the new aliens they've discovered and half of them just end up as plot devices, and didn't explore one at all until the last episode and then Surprise! It eats you...
the xenomorph as v aggressive sheep dog is a bit too daft for me
the "synthetic human" hierarchy storyline could've been interesting but they've just made the children comic-book superheros so that's going to be boring now. And they go from bumbling idiots and the mentally unwell to Unstoppable super computers on legs in the space of a few hours...
Loads of script that was waaay too portentous and daft, and plot development needs that make idiots of the characters.
And they go from bumbling idiots and the mentally unwell to Unstoppable super computers on legs in the space of a few hours...
Well, one of them does. Over the course of the whole series. The rest are failing and falling apart in all sorts of different ways. Is that about family?
why have the alien womble around like a puppy, obeying Wendy and doing nothing else? Where’s the horror from the universes most awesome lifeform?
They operate as hive controlled by a queen, not independently unless there is no queen. Wendy became the queen.
Well, kinda. If we believe cannon, they can exist as individuals outside the hive (Alien, Alien3), but can be directed by a queen for more effektiv results (Aliens, Resurrection). In this case, the Xeno and the baby Xeno seem to have accepted Wendy as the queen and are happy to be directed by her (or so I see it).
I mean, animals bond with non-same species others for that sort of thing.
I'd be more interested to see the collection of said beasties over what comes next. And only one eye? I suppose it might parthenogenesise but it doesn't feel like that much of threat and could be killed pretty easily.
Well, kinda. If we believe cannon, they can exist as individuals outside the hive (Alien, Alien3), but can be directed by a queen for more effektiv results (Aliens, Resurrection). In this case, the Xeno and the baby Xeno seem to have accepted Wendy as the queen and are happy to be directed by her (or so I see it).
That’s exactly what I said.
well well well, so the aliens got out and and killed everyone and the robots* rose up and overthrew their masters. If only the boy genius saw this coming
Security guy: "I saved your life, the lung, yeah? Doesn't it feel great to be more than human?"
Poopscoop: "The lung? Pfft. Let me tell you about my cock."
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I'm really torn by this series. Alien, and Aliens 2 (SE ofcourse) are right up there with my favourite films ever.
The series? Well... It's better than ok but the series really made me work for it sometimes.
The kids. Hmmm.... I dont mind the premise but they are so bloody unlikable. I really wanted Wendy to be the new Ripley but she's utterly forgettable and had the nerve to go postal at her brother for protecting his friends after she went full on "One Man and his Dog" and started talking dolphin out of her ears or something.
All that said. The baddies in the series!?
Oh yes. Oh my.
Superb, I luv 'em, one an' all.
The nutty professor, bad arse security guy, the pervy crewman and our Adrian obvs. Ruddy excellent and I was rooting for them most of the time. The eye too, wonderfully gross but so will imagined. No bloody idea where these other aliens fit into the Alien universe but it's fine by me if they add to it rather than detract from it. (Plant and fly, I'm looking at you.)
So...
The "kids"...sigh... they had to be there for the ratings and that's absolutely fine but I mostly just yawned and waited for the wonderfully nasty grown ups to arrive and really liven things up. The child genius? Annoying but he was always meant to be just that so that's cool and we all know who's he was meant to be, right.😉
Other than that, if Musk brings back alien life forms from Mars and outsources quarantine to G4S and also let's turn also design the quarantine enclosures I think it's fair to say it's entirely what we deserve! 😁
There'll be a series 2 I'm sure and though it won't happen, I really wish it could all be set aboard a deep space research ship like ep 4 or whatever it was. Fantastic bit of TV. Genuinely, it made me remember just how good Alien was all those years ago.
It's been a long wait and it's only what we deserve. 😉
By the way, if any of you SF nuts haven't watched Foundation yet for lords sake, go and watch it. It's the best SF series I've watched in my 56 years on this particular planet.
Brought to you by the happily merry Poop of the Scoop.
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Meh
my sentiments echo most of the above, I am only, and will continue to watch, because the Alien franchise is one of my favorite things...
I hate the Xeno/man in a rubber suit.. some one said earlier that the original alien man in a rubber suit was more realistic..and after some of the outdoor shots in this, i agree.. and why is the big xeno a brown colour?
Oh look, an eye alien has just tried to crawl into my brain, luckily my sister kicked it aside.. no idea where it went so we will just have a conversation and not bother looking for it...
The only redeeming thing, in the entire show...is Sidney Chandler's acting...being a kid in a synthetic body and finding her place in the world...bad writing aside...
As soon as i watch thunderbolts i can pause my disney plus now
Came to say similar to Alan1977, echoing most of the sentiments. The pace and story was all over the place, perhaps intentionally to keep us guessing. Certainly seems like this first series is just teeing up a multiple threads for future series. The only interest I have in the whole series is with the eyeball.
Sidney Sweeney's acting
You must be thinking of "Euphoria: Earth" there 😀
For me, it was silly, but good enough, and violent enough 🙂 to watch the whole series and look forward to the next one.
The only interest I have in the whole series is with the eyeball.
I see you.😉
Joking aside I forgot to mention something another poster alluded to.
An alien, even when done well, simply isn't the terrifying creature of the 70's when it's seen in broad daylight in a beautifully green jungle.
Scott became a bit of a meme for it I suppose but less really is more. From Bladerunner to Alien, lovely bright scenery rids us of the fear of the darkness that is innate in all of us. It's easy to forget just how dark the setting was in Alien. Sure, it hid a million sins but just like a good book it let us paint our own shade of horror.
Meanwhile... how many egg pods are left in the lab?
I was waiting for a closing shot of some Yutani troops meeting face huggers.
So, all of this talk of GenV got me interested and I have just started season 2.
It's pretty good though – it hasn't held my attention quite so much as Alien: Earth did, but it's still very enjoyable.
I waited till the full season was out before reading much about it... I like it but some of it is so utterly stupid...
I know, we'll get some dangerous organisms and give a bunch of kids unsupervised acess to them... I mean, come on...
Is that a "plot hole" or the "whole point" though? The arrogance of one man with ultimate power in his own far reaching organisation. He both thinks his new creations can handle anything... and also doesn't really care what damage might be done do the Earth and all the people on it if they fail. He likes tearing things up. He likes destruction. He likes making monsters. He's excited by new monsters from elsewhere. He has a complete distain for all other humans. The whole point is that he's the problem here, no? Hoping to see more of the monsters running the other 4 corporations in more series.
He likes tearing things up. He likes destruction. He likes making monsters. He's excited by new monsters from elsewhere.
Yeah, the look on his face at the end when Wendy said 'now we rule' suggested that he was rather looking forward to seeing what will happen next 🙂
I do wonder if it will turn out that he has inserted some programming into them so he can control them – he's just chosen not to do it yet.
Finished it the other night.
Slightly flawed and uneven but pretty good overall, maybe an 8/10 from me (mainstream viewer, not a sci-fi purist/pedant).
Will watch the next series, but won't be counting the days.
Yeah, the look on his face at the end when Wendy said 'now we rule' suggested that he was rather looking forward to seeing what will happen next
Indeed. And we learnt...
Is that a "plot hole" or the "whole point" though? The arrogance of one man with ultimate power in his own far reaching organisation. He both thinks his new creations can handle anything... and also doesn't really care what damage might be done do the Earth and all the people on it if they fail. He likes tearing things up. He likes destruction. He likes making monsters. He's excited by new monsters from elsewhere. He has a complete distain for all other humans. The whole point is that he's the problem here, no? Hoping to see more of the monsters running the other 4 corporations in more series.
I actually thought that after posting my post...
It's a bit of a shitty low effort plot vehicle though.
I'm being overly harsh.. It's entertaining I'll give it that.
I've still got 3 episodes of season one to go through though.
I guess I just yearn for the epicness of the first two movies and I think it's in danger of turning into more of a soap opera.
It's a bit of a shitty low effort plot vehicle though.
Maybe. But it has a strong resonance right now, as we seem to be leaving it to a few very powerful men to decide how embedded AI will be, and what controls (if any) should be placed on it (and them).
I guess I just yearn for the epicness of the first two movies
But neither of those movies would have made a good series – people would have stopped watching new episodes after the first couple because nothing really happened. With a series, there has to be lots of sub-plots and reveals in each episode to keep the viewer interested.
I guess I just yearn for the epicness of the first two movies
But neither of those movies would have made a good series – people would have stopped watching new episodes after the first couple because nothing really happened. With a series, there has to be lots of sub-plots and reveals in each episode to keep the viewer interested.
Sure, but if you take the alien/sci-fi theme away, this could easily be a series of Eastenders or Hollyoaks.
Sure, but if you take the alien/sci-fi theme away, this could easily be a series of Eastenders or Hollyoaks.
All stories are variations on seven basic plots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots
Having watched the entire series - I found the cliffhangers vs the next episode time jump quite jarring & like I had skipped an epidsode.
Oddly I wanted to carry on watching after the first 2 episodes, my wife not so much & by the end she was keener to finish it & I was a bit meh about it.
As a man of a certain age I love the first 2 movies, & feel since then nothing has come close to capturing the feel, special mention to Alien Romulus tho, I thought that was the best Alien thing since 1986.
I am slightly disappointed that they didn't tell the story in one series, I am not sure I want it keep putting them out what's wrong with one & done? The Watchmen series did this much better & managed to get it's points across much better too.
Just finished it, thought it was a complete mess but also very enjoyable. They definitely could have tightened it up and made it basically less ridiculous without losing anything, but there does come a point somewhere along that line where you start giving up on the opportunities you get when you set aside having to make sense, it's not a one way thing. And it definitely did gain in places from just doubling down on the ridiculousness, it never feels like it's in a box.
And like anything else where you have The Smartest Person In The World they always inevitably end up doing really stupid things. Partly because nobody can write The Smartest Person In The World because to do that you have to be the smartest person in the world, but mostly because it's more fun to have people do stupid things. But it glares sometimes. Equally the entire franchise is rooted in Let's Do Something Stupid so why not.
(I spent a bit of time just catching up on internet threads and theories and such and I think that's actually pretty funny, lots of stuff that they clearly just did Because It's Cool and then there's 10000 words of fan theory on why this ties to that ties to that. My dudes, they threw a lot of pasta at the wall and made a picture out of what stuck, and then just for lolz made one entire episode out of what was on the floor)
Beautifully filmed, lots of great performances, great soundtrack, lots to like. The best bit was obviously the awesome organ noise at the start, it's like Russo just went "well OBVIOUSLY they should have got Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross for this thing, I will now make the most Reznorian noise ever. GRRRAAAAAAAHHHHHHHIINNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGWAAAHHHHHHHH"
Thought it looked amazing, always wanted a movie sequel on earth. As a series it got about half way before it fell apart but yeah, I still enjoyed it a lot. Roll on series 2
Equally the entire franchise is rooted in Let's Do Something Stupid so why not.
Apart from Kane looking into the egg (and why not he's wearing a space suit after all) no one in Alien does anything stupid that cannot be explained by circumstance and not simply for plot purposes. that's why it works and everything after it isn't nearly as good.
Kane didn't just "look into the egg", he went "yeah guys lower me from the room with the alien guy who exploded from the inside, through this anus, into this terrifying cave full of weird alien shit specifically so that I can stare into a weird egg".
And then they break all the quarantine rules, and bring him back- which is understandable, but stupid. They put him in "isolation" but when the facehugger falls off him, they go running into the medbay and even leave the door open- sure the facehugger is dead but they don't know that. And then they just let him out and sit having breakfast with him like nothing ever happened.
Going after the cat was stupid, going into the vents was stupid, the whole thing with "Ripley has translated the warning but we can't communicate with Kane" was stupid and it all happens just for dramatic reasons. Which to be fair, some of the stupid stuff in the rest of the franchise seems to happen for no reason at all, not ever for drama.
And then they break all the quarantine rules, and bring him back- which is understandable, but stupid.
Nah, Ash breaks quarantine when it looks like Ripley won't, because that's his programming, remember?