“colourblindness” can led to inadvertent discrimination and other issues
Eh, surely that's where we want to be going, colour of someones skin is so unimportant it doesn't register any more than eye colour.
Eh, surely that’s where we want to be going, colour of someones skin is so unimportant it doesn’t register any more than eye colour.
No, to ignore the colour of someones skin is ignorant to the unique struggles they have/do face in our society, the like of which the majority populous has no experience.
There's a difference between that and ignoring the colour of someones skin during a potential prejudicial decision e.g. a job interview.
W00dster has the first garden I’ve ever seen on STW that passes the “Your garden could do with…..” test.
The sign of a warped and twisted mind? 😉
“I don’t see colour...”
Always a sure sign.
@Kryton, @stumpy made a point about where we should aspire to be going and you respond with a point about where we are now. Can you see how your response does not address his (gender assumed from name) point?
Also as a colourblind person I am mildly annoyed by people using the term in relation to race issues. I would also point out that nobody on this thread has claimed to be "colourblind" in relation to race issues, indeed tj specifically said he wasn't, so it is a bit of a straw man.
Comparing a picture of a fake tanned person to compare with a mixed race person then claiming you can’t tell the difference seems somewhat flawed no?
I thought it was an excellent example of the difficulty involved when people who earn their living in a visual medium use all sorts of methods to manipulate their image.
m trying to help you see that there’s more than the colour of peoples skin that determines their race,
No, to ignore the colour of someones skin is ignorant to the unique struggles they have/do face in our society, the like of which the majority populous has no experience
So the bigger problem is the ignorance of the unique struggles of people who aren't visible minorities. So then the question becomes is Meghan visibly mixed race or not, if so than we have no excuse for not appreciating her uniques struggles. Which brings us right back to why tj's picture matters.
The sign of a warped and twisted mind? 😉
Without a doubt.
I think I'd have to disagree with the "Danny Baker racist photo" comment. Danny Baker has used the photo of an "aristo" couple with a chimp on dozens of occasions without ever causing a furore. I guess he did it without even twigging there might be a convoluted reference towards mixed race.
..and another thing... What is "racism"? Why is it always painted as an absolute? There's a massive spectrum; from simply noticing characteristics ("mommy, why has that man got a big nose?") to putting petrol bombs through a letterbox. When I used to visit potential customers at home I freely admit to being racially prejudiced. When I saw them coming to the door, their appearance would give me an expectation (often correct) of their attitude towards me. The times my heart would sink most is when through the obscured glass I could see a portly white haired moustachioed old white man with a tattershall check shirt and cravat.
And we always remind our children, when they have a baby due, that my grandmother (whose father was named John Left, after being a foundling, left in a church as a baby) had a wide nose, full lips and curly hair, so there could well be some African DNA making an appearance.
Oh, another thing... Do people really air their dirty laundry? We usually wash it first so it's clean.
Danny Baker has used the photo of an “aristo” couple with a chimp on dozens of occasions without ever causing a furore
Sure, it was a long running gag about the Royal family being no more than performing monkeys.
A couple of things then happened; people pointed out to him that the child's mother was mixed race and the child's grandmother was a black woman, and just perhaps they might not think it was very funny, and in fact may be offended when he used the joke this time...and was that worth a pretty lame-assed joke?
Danny firstly tried to claim that he didn't know Meghan was black, then when people pointed out that they'd just told him, he tried again to justify the joke. When he realised (too late) that he was going to be sacked for comparing a new born mixed race child to a chimpanzee, he tried to blame other media saying "it's my turn in the sights"
Now, I liked Danny Baker's show, and I don't think he was trying to be intentionally offensive, and if he'd had just just come up with the tjagain defence, he might have held onto his job, as it was, he tried to blame other people for pointing out that he'd just been racist to a new born...and maybe that's why there's still a problem.
Do people really air their dirty laundry? We usually wash it first so it’s clean.
It's an idiom.
Kryton - I guess we are both getting each other wrong! I have not been trying a desperate defense - I have been trying to get you to understand a point I made that you missed.
Never mind - I actually think we are coming from the same place overall.
I’m trying to help you see that there’s more than the colour of peoples skin that determines their race
I completely understand that - its just at a quick glance at a picture I did not notice that Merkle was mixed race. Why? Because its not that obvious and I only took a quick glance not because I'm oblivious in general
Ok - its just a misunderstanding
Eh, surely that’s where we want to be going, colour of someones skin is so unimportant it doesn’t register any more than eye colour.
erm.... can. open. worms... everywhere. why don't you try that line with your friendly hr manager.
Err so you're suggesting it's important to notice someone's skin colour, racial background, based on the way they look and alter your behaviour based on that superficial impression? I think you might be the one who might be having an uncomfortable conversation with HR.
Discussion on "colourblindness" here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness_(racial_classification)
its a complex area but generally thought nowadays not to be helpful
@tjagain - your argument is not helped by referring to her as the German Chancellor. She was a minor celebrity actress before she married that posh bloke.
😉
Academics have written papers about how the tabloids skew photos of Kate and Megan. That might seem trite until you see these: Here
Some might say that certain elements of our press have an agenda.
Err so you’re suggesting it’s important to notice someone’s skin colour, racial background, based on the way they look and alter your behaviour based on that superficial impression? I think you might be the one who might be having an uncomfortable conversation with HR.
Yes it is and if you can't see that then we cannot have a discussion as we will never agree. I suggest you go away and do some reading. These days saying things like "I don't see colour" is really incentive and not really a most up to date way of thinking / talking about race. Its not so much about altering your behaviour its about understanding and listening why someones background / past experiences may mean their interpretation of an incident is different to yours
DDN - The video the royal family don’t want you to see
Sounds a bit clickbatey but I think my views are aligned with his.
Not sure whether that makes me ‘woke’ or a gammon.
