[Closed] Advanced driving course

I've got Surfmatt's phone no. somewhere......

I am led to believe that the advanced police driving in Scotland no longer includes skid pan training, due to the stability control systems on modern cars that can react so much quicker than the driver. I guess cadence braking used to be included until ABS became standard.

Hora, are you a driving god?

I suspect you are not, no matter what you might [i]think[/i] about yourself, so please just stop making irrelevant suggestions.

[b]Attitude[/b] plays a big part in driving well, not the ability to [i]talk[/i] a good drive and fantasise about your extreme car control skills (or even mountain bike skills)on various internet forums.

IAM/Rospa are good organisations that aim to get people to a high standard of safety whilst making reasonable progress.

I did the IAM motorbike course (and a Corporate IAM driving course) and found it worthwhile, even if I was aware of much of the content beforehand. Being observed and tested is a useful experience in itself. Some people might be afraid of what they might hear.

By all means disagree with some of their dogma/mantras, but they teach a solid, safe method of driving -If not necessarily exciting, dynamic or particularly 'advanced' in the sense of extreme vehicle handling.

I have recently done some courses, Pass Plus, Drive and survive and a skid pan session. Despite being aimed at new drivers ( approx 2 years after passing) I think the pass plus would be ideal for her as it irons out bad habits and builds confidence.

For someone who isn't comfortable and flowing/smooth with the fundamentals of driving, and there are a lot of drivers who fit into that category, following a systematic approach (as per IAM/Rospa) can be a big help.

Skid control is very useful (look how many drivers were absolutely hopeless when it snowed during the past 2 winters), but better to first understand what gear/rpm you should be using and learn not to be a hazard on the road.

Racing lines, late braking left-foot-braking, heel-toe, hand-brake turns, drifting etc. are all great for people who are interested in driving and like to push it a bit, but not necessarily that useful for someone who doesn't really understand the basic mechanics of the car or have an awareness of what is going on around them.

I think the expression is: Learn to walk before you learn to run.

Where do you make your assumptions about people? Am I driving God? Mostly definitely not. Neither are you. Its an opinion and when did I talk about drifting, hand brake turns or heel and toe? You also completely missed my suggestions about refresher courses with a normal driving Instructor didn't you? Why do people have to go for Gold on qualifications when a refresher may well do?

Really, as with nbt earlier, sometimes people on STW get ahead of themselves after taking a few courses on a particular subject.

The basics of driving are driving. First and foremost. [b]Confidence[/b] for a nervous or unsure driver plays a massive part. The OP mentioned hesitation.

If you don't like my opinion fine but who cares if you have been on a Corporate IAM course? Does that mean you can lecture and make assumptions? No.

hora, stop talking out of your arse will you?!? For the OP, the IAM route is probably the best route. And as I think you suggested, doing it together is a good idea. We'd probably all benefit a lot from something like this (apart from hora of course).

This thread is missing SurfMat. That is all.

Really, as with nbt earlier, sometimes people on STW get ahead of themselves after taking a few courses on a particular subject.

Hello Mr Pot, have you met Mr Kettle?

Where did I "get ahead of myself"?

The basics of driving are driving. First and foremost. Confidence for a nervous or unsure driver plays a massive part. The OP mentioned hesitation.

Correct. Where would a skid pan help with this? Your suggestion of a refresher was noted but was not in your first post, and would not be as cost effective as a RoSPA or IAM course 🙄

BTW I haven't been on a corporate IAM course. Does that mean I'm not allwed to say anything at all?

I am partly coming at this from the wrong angle. My angle is she knows all the basics, there is something underlining maybe. My comment on track day is wrong as it gives the wrong message. I mean refresher and skidpan - possibly to give back some confidence and remind her.

Good day. I don't think we should spend forever arguing. Its not good for us 🙂

hora - Member

Where do you make your assumptions about people?

Like quite a few people on here, I know you in real life... 8)

[i]Somebody[/i] was talking about track days and skid pans earlier. Somebody else made further references to track days.

I'm making no claims about my skills, but I do have experience of IAM, on 2 wheels and on 4, which you presumably don't.

IAM & Rospa are a good thing, and a starting point, if not the complete answer to everyone's motoring dreams.

My angle is she knows all the basics, there is something underlining maybe.

Knowing the mechanics of making a car move does not make you a driver. It's the roadcraft that needs to be worked on.

I don't think we should spend forever arguing. Its not good for us

And on that we can agree. We can even agree to disagree. Back to work for me

Like quite a few people on here, I know you in real life...

But your making an assumption on that. I've not seen you for going on 4yrs and even then it was on a few rides over the space of circa a year.

It'd be lovely to go on rides again though 🙂

And on that we can agree. We can even agree to disagree. Back to work for me

[i]Like quite a few people on here, I know you in real life...[/i]

Hora Wrote: [b]
But your making an assumption on that (?)[/b].

ps. We last met about 2 years ago (you turned up!) ...I remember it as you were wearing a Flecktarn camo German army jacket -for maximum outline distortion and maximum invisibility to drivers- to cycle on the main road into Manchester when it was wet, foggy and dark... Just saying like 😉

Kinda blended in didn't I. That was the Christmas Market I think.

Maybe you need a [i]Cycling Proficiency[/i] refresher?

😆

BTW your (Pacific branded) TV is still going strong in the spare room.