On the other hand, there are some people, me included, who would re-subscribe gladly.
same here. I’ve gone from being a print subscriber to both Singletrack and Grit.cx to none, in around 12 months. Lack of money or being tight is not the reason.
edit: quoting is wrong way round and it won’t edit properly on an iPhone. Obviously
Some people want to pay subs some people don't. I don't why Paying £2 a month makes you more a part of this community that creating and responding to threads. Interesting, useful and funny posts are what make me come here.
I have to sign in every time i visit the site, this often takes ages due to the adds
The dedicated login page - http://singletrackworld.com/wp-login.php - doesn't have any adverts at all. Bookmark that?
editing your post after submit doesn’t work properly
It does, it just takes a few seconds for your edits to be visible because the previous page is still cached. Count to 30 and hit refresh and it should be fine.
my issue is with the shite software the site uses and not wishing to validate it
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they had the chance with the new forum
My understanding is that the whole point of the upgrade is that the forum and the rest of the site is now the same single platform rather than a hodgepodge of disparate systems hacked together over the years by successive developers. Changing the forum software isn't as simple as, well, changing the forum software because it would impact the rest of the site and be a step backwards under the hood.
I feel very strongly that they have their priorities wrong.
I'd rather more focus was given to the forum too. However, I have little doubt that I know considerably less about the site, the process and the business, and what works and what doesn't, than someone who's actually been running it for a couple of decades.
I would pay a reasonable amount to be a forum only member.
What would you consider a "reasonable amount," out of interest?
I expect the danger with a "forum only" sub would be the sense of entitlement suddenly going stratospheric. "Why isn't everything fixed now, I gave you 50p yesterday!!" It's certainly not a business model I'd enter into lightly if I were STW.
If it's a case of unifying all the systems as a single step towards something better I can get with that. But that's never been said or implied by anyone in a position to do so, if it was the case I can't imagine why they wouldn't just say so.
As it is, with all the bugs and the way it has been done I reckon just archiving the previous content and starting a fresh would have been less hassle, its not like the old topic posts actually get served in chronological order anyway.
. “Why isn’t everything fixed now, I gave you 50p yesterday!!” It’s certainly not a business model I’d enter into lightly if I were STW.
Especially as paying more still leaves you being told it's not important and stop asking.
Last update was nothing is going to be done
But ultimately, I’m beyond spending my time making the site work to the satisfaction of people that don’t contribute their own cash to what we do,
Where have all the emoji gone? 🙁
Just out of interest, I would like to donate to the site, but don't really want a premier sub.
Would STW towers rather me sign up for a year as premier for business reasons or could I just donate the same amount via Paypal?
All ads, facebook crap, trackers and third party cookies and scripts are blocked on this site anyway, so there is no real reason for me to buy a sub, unless the actual number of subs sold has some benefit to our illustrious overlords or something.
And yeah, as said above,the emoji panel has buggered off.
If it’s a case of unifying all the systems as a single step towards something better I can get with that. But that’s never been said or implied by anyone in a position to do so, if it was the case I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t just say so.
It has, though it probably got lost in the noise.
Just out of interest, I would like to donate to the site, but don’t really want a premier sub.
There used to to be a donation button, but literally no one used it, unless they were getting something extra in return (a change of tag, iirc)
Next up - You've already used your 2 free forum posts today, 50p to post again or get 3 additional posts for a £1.
I think the whole pop-up ad thing is very clever. Assuming STW get some cash every time someone clicks through to another site, using ads that miraculously pop up and/or move position at random means that a click intended for navigating within the site can generate click-through revenue all on its own.
Genius.
I do wonder sometimes whether some people are career trolls or just idiots. There needs to be some sort of Poe's Law equivalent to cover this.
I do wonder sometimes whether some people are career trolls or just idiots. There needs to be some sort of Poe’s Law equivalent to cover this.
Wonder away, but it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.........
You’re exasperated at the complaints, I’m exasperated at the stuff that causes people to complain. Whatever shall we do?
Whatever shall we do?
Buy a sub? 😆
It's the equivalent of buying the bar staff a pint every couple of months!
And you lot do know that, when you do this, the bar staff will usually look for and serve you first! 😆
Buy a sub?
Does that fix the bugs?
Does that fix the bugs?
I'd think it probably would, if they go up enough. At a minimum it would get rid of the ads for everyone(that much has been stated).
I’d think it probably would, if they go up enough. At a minimum it would get rid of the ads for everyone(that much has been stated).
The only add that causes me trouble is the one telling me this site is paid for by adds! The rest of the adds don't bother me.
Even if we dont buy a sub we still contribute to the forum.
Without content the forum will not exist. There needs to be a better balance.
Fix the forum and end up with more content.
Just telling anyone who complains to buy a sub is not the best way to treat those who actually provide the content.
Just telling anyone who complains to buy a sub is not the best way to treat those who actually provide the content.
It's also really short sighted.
You’re exasperated at the complaints, I’m exasperated at the stuff that causes people to complain. Whatever shall we do?
I have no issues with justified complaints, I have issues with spurious ones.
I'm "exasperated" that any regular contributor would seriously consider the notion that the nature in which the site renders is deliberate in order to drive up revenue through misclicks. You either don't really believe that in which case you're trolling, or you do believe it in which case you're (in the literal rather than pejorative sense) ignorant.
I probably shouldn't mention Hanlon's Razor here.
I’m “exasperated” that any regular contributor would seriously consider the notion that the nature in which the site renders is deliberate in order to drive up revenue through misclicks.
No and very seriously given the way many things are implemented I'd not have faith anything like that could be implemented successfully.
Just telling anyone who complains to buy a sub is not the best way to treat those who actually provide the content.
It it is a sad state of affairs when the magazine, reviews, articles etc are no longer considered the content but the bickering of randoms in a chat room...
mind you I only used to go on Facebook to read the rants and arguments on the trending section
It it is a sad state of affairs when the magazine, reviews, articles etc are no longer considered the content but the bickering of randoms in a chat room…
Well if nobody read it there would be no ads here, the ads are here to make money to fund part of. Stw. The threads, jokes and fun provides revenue
The threads, jokes and fun provides revenue
less these days it seems.
Incidently, your opinions here are based on a bit of a misreading of this comment. no?
Last update was nothing is going to be done
But ultimately, I’m beyond spending my time making the site work to the satisfaction of people that don’t contribute their own cash to what we do.
I don't read that as nothing is going to be done for subscribers.
It it is a sad state of affairs when the magazine, reviews, articles etc are no longer considered the content but the bickering of randoms in a chat room…
If that’s where more users spend more time, then that’s where the most valuable content is.
It might be “sad” but you were here at least long enough to post and read the thread, so you are generating revenue by being part of the traffic, and creating some content.
given the way many things are implemented I’d not have faith anything like that could be implemented successfully.
I shouldn't, but I laughed. Thanks for that. (-:
I don’t read that as nothing is going to be done for subscribers.
Unless there is a 2 tier forum where the fixes only get applied to p members then nowt is going to be done. The lack of a stuff we are fixing list etc. and the I see no problems it's all in your mind attitude conforms this.
I have no issues with justified complaints, I have issues with spurious ones.
I’m “exasperated” that any regular contributor would seriously consider the notion that the nature in which the site renders is deliberate in order to drive up revenue through misclicks. You either don’t really believe that in which case you’re trolling, or you do believe it in which case you’re (in the literal rather than pejorative sense) ignorant.
I probably shouldn’t mention Hanlon’s Razor here.
OK. I don't seriously consider that the forum/site would actually try to increase click-through revenue by misclicks caused by ads jumping around and/or appearing from nowhere.
When I get exasperated, in real life as well as on the Looking Glass world that is STW, I often resort to being a bit sarcastic and flippant. In real life, I often smile to people as I'm doing this as a bit of humour can lighten the mood if I am making a complaint.
I am not trolling.
Ads do fairly regularly jump into view as I'm about to click - especially on the banner heading for 'Forum' etc at the top. This is when using Safari on an iPad. I have inadvertently visited the Commencal shop site as a result. Presumably this might count as click-through - although I imagine that a secondary click within the site might be required - I don't know (I am not one of the Internet Illuminati).
Since the 'upgrade' the forum has been less usable and more flaky - in my experience (as with many others it would seem).
Does it bother me that Mark isn't as concerned about forum users without a 'P'? No, not really. That's fair enough, but I don't actually have to use this forum/site at all if I think it doesn't work properly and gets on my wick. Whether you guys would view 'losing' me as a problem or not doesn't massively bother me to be honest.
You can mention "Hanlon's Razor" if you like - although I haven't got a clue what it is - but I suspect it is something that forum elites everywhere use as a sort of in-joke put-down(?) I'm not even interested enough to google it to help compose a retort.......
Interesting that the likes of Jamie can make witty asides about this stuff without being 'Cougared' though - it's a bit like a clique in some ways (sarcasm and flippancy again there - I just can't help myself).
Old style business models struggle with social media / internet and this sort of stuff.
We have a perfect storm:
Print media is in a death spiral
Subscriptions are eroded by free content on the site
The providers of the forum content are being ignored, or not treated fairly from their point of view
The unpaid Mods are the ones having to deal with the fall out
The business is chasing smaller bits of revenue from ads that annoy the users
These sorts of issues need to be addressed fast otherwise opportunities to get better / grow will be lost and the whole thing could fail. Slowly or quickly, depending on the competition.
Subscriptions are eroded by free content on the site
The free content that doesn't appear in the mag?
OK. I don’t seriously consider that the forum/site would actually try to increase click-through revenue by misclicks caused by ads jumping around and/or appearing from nowhere.
There we go, then. (-:
When I get exasperated, in real life as well as on the Looking Glass world that is STW, I often resort to being a bit sarcastic and flippant. In real life, I often smile to people as I’m doing this as a bit of humour can lighten the mood if I am making a complaint.
As do I.
You can mention “Hanlon’s Razor” if you like – although I haven’t got a clue what it is – but I suspect it is something that forum elites everywhere use as a sort of in-joke put-down(?) I’m not even interested enough to google it to help compose a retort…
You probably should - it was a comment about the forum rather than about your good self.
Interesting that the likes of Jamie can make witty asides about this stuff without being ‘Cougared’ though
No cliques here. I've "Cougared" 😆 Jamie in the past, I'm sure. I don't generally pay sufficient attention to individual usernames to keep track (case in point, I don't know offhand who I'm actually replying to here, I'd have to scroll back to check your username).
There we go, then.
Only up to a point - all I admitted to was being flippant and sarcastic in my delivery - the core issues are unaltered. I apologise for being flippant and sarcastic. I am not (and was not) trolling, however. We can get into the semantics of 'trolling' if necessary, but hopefully not. I was not being flippant and sarcastic just to illicit a response - I was trying to get a point across in a (probably ill-advised) jokey way.
Please don't conflate the reasons for the earache you lot are getting with the people who are giving it. The reason in 95%+ of the cases is just people telling you about problems they actually experience. Sorry to be blunt, but the STW forum is really not that important to me, and I won't be spending any more of my time on this thread. If things carry on as they have for the last 8 months, I will probably just drift away and eventually stop using it altogether. I don't have a 'P' so maybe Mark wouldn't be massively bothered, but if enough non-'P' users do likewise it cannot but reflect badly.
I am trying to be constructive (although my manner on my original post might have got things off on the wrong foot).
No apologies required, but thanks.
It's very difficult to express (and indeed, read) subtlety and nuance in written communication. I'm at least as guilty of it as you and many others, I default to assuming that people know me / know I'm probably just being sarky or otherwise not serious, which is demonstrably not the case.
Conversely, I perhaps tend to be literal in reading others' posts (something I hadn't really realised until just now). I should probably try to apply my own logic to everyone else....
Logic?
This is STW....
BTW - site disappears on refresh yet again on IOS12 and Safari
iOS 12? Hasn't the beta been pulled for that?
iOS 12? Hasn’t the beta been pulled for that?
The latest beta has but think it just went back to an older one.
With that said though complaining about a site not working with a beta version of an OS seems a tad unfair.
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<div class="bbp-reply-content">iOS 12? Hasn’t the beta been pulled for that?
The latest beta has but think it just went back to an older one.
With that said though complaining about a site not working with a beta version of an OS seems a tad unfair.
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I'm pleased I'm not an iOS 12 user, I wouldn't know wtf you were on about. 🤡
The latest beta has but think it just went back to an older one.
With that said though complaining about a site not working with a beta version of an OS seems a tad unfair.
Ah I seen something pop up on my newsfeed earlier but given I don't download them as well they tend not be supported fully. As perfectly demonstrated.
TL;DR.
I may be late to the party in many respects, however, I've just discovered a cool thing when viewing the forum on an iPad in portrait... Maybe I'm the only one who didn't realise this, in which case, I do now and realise why it's the cool thing that's not talked about. First rules and all that.
Anyway, as you were 😃
Its doing it on IOS 11.4 too so not just 12.
iPhone 12
iPad 11.4
Was mentioned 3wks ago and 2 weeks ago and last week.....
I'm on 10.3.3 Nothing but old skool here 😆
I've upgraded to 11.4.1 test it, I thought they said it was fixed recently.
No idea Drac - interestingly, if you tap the bottom right to view tabs its shows the site page you're on BUT tap on the page and its blank.
No "back" option, empty address bar, etc its as if you've opened a complete new page.
Sorry all working good on my iPad Pro.
Seems to me its pretty simple for many of us. Most are here because they ride mountain bikes, if they like what they see it they subscribe to the magazine or the website for a few quid per year to they can read articles and not see as many ads on the forum or site. They enjoy supporting singletrackworld, going to events, supporting our pastime/sport. I'm perplexed how many people contribute to a forum but don't seem to actually value any of the professionally created content and then expect to be rewarded for sharing their opinions. ho hum, maybe I'll go for a night ride- its a lovely warm clear night here on the ridgeway.....
