What a perfect example of some grumpy middle-aged f'kwombles this thread is (OP excluded). STW truly excels itself here 😆
S3s strike me as a bit small for armed response. Round here they are all A6s and X5s to carry the weight of all their armour n ammo n stuff. Spose they could just be training in hire cars though; bit irresponsible without blue lights IMHO.
You were probably middle lane hogging like 99% of people that drive on the 62 for absolutely no reason.
I've nothing to add to the OP as I wasn't there but,
The M62 is the worst place in the world for shitty lane discipline. I don't know what it is about that particular stretch of road but I'm forever encountering the Lane Two Owner's Club conventions on it.
Agreed V8, regardless of advance training, the people they are hooning around, aint, and theres the possibility to be a tad unpredictable when faced with someone up thier chuff doing nearly twice the limit.
Nobshaftery of the highest order
Come and try the M27 Cougar......
S3s strike me as a bit small for armed response. Round here they are all A6s and X5s to carry the weight of all their armour n ammo n stuff. Spose they could just be training in hire cars though; bit irresponsible without blue lights IMHO.
I think we've established that they were simply 'Special Response Traffic Wardens' en route to a particularly poor piece of double parking 'somewhere in West Yorkshire'.
Seriously though, I hate all the 'nudge, nudge, wink, wink!', I know who they are, but I'm not going to tell you because I am/they are so important, nose-tapping daftness. If you're certain they're armed response units 'training' or a unit of elite midwives en route to an emergency caesarian or something, why not just say that?
Worst driving I have ever seen was a golf gti overtaking me on a corner with a traffic island, I was doing 30 it was going at least 70+ went around me and had to serve so hard to avoid the traffic island it went onto two wheel and was inches from rolling down an embankment, somehow he got away with it...
May have been the best bit of driving you have ever seen!
I haven't read all the replies cos I was getting bored with someone who only seemed to want to question me about why I was in the middle lane, even though I said why initially!
I know absolutely zilch about Popo procedures because I left Frankland prison before I did the Cat A driving course (the one where you follow armed police cars a few feet behind at whatever speed they deem safe & quite often with a helicopter in attendance).
You can train rapid response drivers to your hearts content but you can't train someone to be a mind reader (of other road users minds) & without blue lights at least to warn other users of a presence, who knows. These two didn't even have headlights on. From what I saw they were two drivers having some scary fun.
Having seen the way a large minority of drivers act when something with flashing lights comes up behind them it's probably safer at 120 mph+ to just fly past unannounced.
Around here the procedure seems to be to do nothing until the flashing lights are right behind, then swerve wildly when you finally notice them 'cos you weren't paying attention.
I haven't read all the replies cos I was getting bored with someone who only seemed to want to question me about why I was in the middle lane, even though I said why initially!
Middle lane hogging means that traffic travelling at higher speed then only has the one option of overtaking in the outside lane. This blocks two lanes and the ability to overtake. If these guys were indeed on their way to an emergency and needed to get through were left with the option of undertaking.
They obviously couldn't undertake you as the vehicle you were overtaking would have blocked their path. Yet for some physics defying reason they could.
I see it all too often where bad drivers resort to name calling when their piss poor driving is called out. 🙄
All the nudge nudge,wink wink,nose tapping Walter Mittery stems from the same lack of clue as the rest of us, the spirit of Surfmatt is strong in this one!
Captain - try reading the OP - he was not undertaken but saw the two cars in question undertaking others. Invoke Hattersleys rule " when in a hole stop digging"
captainsuperior - yes it is quiet possible for a nobber to undertake you if you're overtaking safely and sensibly in the middle lane and the nobber doesn't care about safe gaps. Or would you only ever pull out to overtake when there's less than a car length gap to the vehicle in front? Get back in your box.
when [s]in a hole[/s] under a bridge [s]stop digging[/s] keep trolling
Captain - try reading the OP
Aw leave him alone he's trying very, very hard at being Columbo!
Seems I gave the OP too much credit.
Anyhow, driving in close proximity and undertaking at very high speeds without blues and twos is reckless, no matter how trained you are. I don't believe we have an 'acceptable collateral damage' policy in this country, every life matters. Everyone driving on that motorway or indeed changing a wheel on the hard shoulder (although it's recommended you call for rescue and get over the barriers) deserves protection regardless of whether there's a critical incident that needs training for. The "I know who they are so it's okay" brigade seem to be living in a James Bond fantasy where normal motorists are just disposable extras who don't even make the credits. If it's that much of a secret, should you even be posting on the foremost general information forum in the country? Because they will obviously know who you are.
^^^^This
I've seen far worse, the 4 lanes that merge to 3 approaching Saddleworth- young woman in 4x4 chatting on phone flooring it and forcing a line of cars to move out of her way with inches to spare. She then settled at c65mph for the next few miles in the fast lane so it seemed. Still chatting away.
Its one of those occasions where you accelerate or hard brake to stay well away incase she repeated.
I seen a bloke eating a mellon with a spoon ,in a pea souper fog coming 'tother way a few year back
I'd be more concerned about drug drivers tbh.
Hang on - you're saying they were drug squad, hora?
He could tell you....
I absolutely refuse to believe that anyone managed to get above 35mph on that section of the M62
Drugged up drivers not them. In Hudds a while back I was passed twice by a car stinking of weed. Made me feel very vulnerable on a bike.
Drugged up drivers not them. In Hudds a while back I was passed twice by a car stinking of weed. Made me feel very vulnerable on a bike.
I doubt you'd be able to inhale a meaningful amount just from a passing car, you'd be fine. Could just be a Magic Tree air freshener mind? They bring out new flavours/aromas all the time.
You'd think that but it can make you paranoid, and hora said he felt very vulnerableI doubt you'd be able to inhale a meaningful amount just from a passing car, you'd be fine
Makes you think
The section of the M62 between Manchester and Leeds should be easy pickings for the motorway cops. I have regularly driven that road and al ost every time I get passed by at least 1 nutter doing 120mph+, undertaking and weaving between traffic.
The smell weed from passing cars is another issue, but there seems to be loads driving around Lancaster and Morecambe. I'm not sure if it's common in other towns.
Checking my mirrors regularly, as I do,[b] I spot a blue vehicle approaching from behind in the inside lane[/b] going like stink, now I've been driving since 1976 ish & reckon I'm a reasonable 'estimator' of other cars speeds [b]but this thing blew me away[/b] (literally) I'd estimate it was doing 130mph plus
Sounds like he was undertaken to me.
If you're undertaken and cut up by inches, the undertaker is a nob.
If you're undertaken at 130mph with plenty of space around you for the undertaker to manoeuvre, well, they're still a nob going at that speed, but you're in the wrong lane and part of the problem.
HTH.
I've been undertaken on the M66 by a car 'going like stink' up the hard shoulder of the M66 just before Bury. For a moment I thought it was going to run straight into the back of me. There's a special breed of dickhead round these parts.
nudge nudge,wink wink,nose tapping Walter Mittery
I need to engineer a conversation where I can use that phrase!
Last time I was up there Mrs Rusty, who used to live in those parts, said 'Watch out here, this is where the boy racers come out to play'. And right on cue, 2 Evos and a Scooby came off the slip road and into the outside lane in a single unbroken maneuver and proceeded to disappear over the horizon.The section of the M62 between Manchester and Leeds should be easy pickings for the motorway cops.
Yes, I was 'undertaken', but no, [i]I [/i]was wasn't the problem.
Sounds like my commute
Greater Manchester Police have a few S3's, there is at least a Blue and Grey one.
I reckon Captain dullard is one of those mirror, indicate, pull out, mirror, indicate, pull in, pull out, pull in, pull out, pull in, pull out, pull in drivers who reckons that spending your entire journey weaving across the line between the driving and first overtaking lane is somehow safer than not pulling back in if the gap is less than say, 8-10 seconds. Which would give Audi driving nobbers doing 120mph plenty of time to cut up two cars. One on the way in, and one on the way out.
Unless Captain dullard pulls in of course. Then the nobber is deeply in the shit (or halfway up the embankment) and captain dullard is right in the 2 second limit for the vehicle he's just failed to overtake safely.
overtaking slower vehicles while quicker stuff are passing me
How did they manage to transpose the vehicles through the vehicles you were overtaking
They were nobbers but so is hogging the middle lane and both are offences
Jesus, this really is getting monotonous for me & I wish I'd never mentioned it!
If you're undertaken and cut up by inches, the undertaker is a nob.If you're undertaken at 130mph with plenty of space around you for the undertaker to manoeuvre, well, they're still a nob going at that speed, but you're in the wrong lane and part of the problem.
HTH.
For the record & try & picture the situation, I Am in the middle lane. Doing just over 70. I am overtaking slower vehicles such as Eddie Stobart, coaches, a truck with 'Visbeen' on the back, tankers, you know, the stuff you & I overtake every time wer'e on a motorway. 2 Silly Billy's overtake me at speed. Proper speed. After they overtake me I see them weaving about & undertaking traffic on the HS. I am not 'hogging' the lane, I'm overtaking just as other people are.
Anyway, I digress again but it seems apparent that a lot on here are more concerned about keeping a lane all to ones self rather than doing nutty speeds in traffic!
2 Silly Billy's overtake me at speed. Proper speed. After they overtake me I see them weaving about & undertaking traffic on the HS. I am not 'hogging' the lane, I'm overtaking just as other people are.
Stage 1. Denial
Stage 2. Anger
Stage 3. Acceptance that other people on the internet who weren't actually there know what you were doing better than you.
[s]Getting[/s] 'Making progress' to stage 3 as quickly as possible will aid your coming to terms with this distressing incident. 🙂
This has been a most entertaining thread though, thanks for starting it!
That should clear it up for the dim essel, but I wouldn't count on it. Seems a weird thread people seem more concerned with your alleged middle lane hogging (you weren't) than some genuine dangerous driving 😯
At which point in the OP does egf say that HE was undertaken by the two speeders?
I am overtaking slower vehicles such as Eddie Stobart, coaches, a truck with 'Visbeen' on the back, tankers, you know, the stuff you & I overtake every time wer'e on a motorway. [b]2 Silly Billy's overtake me[/b] at speed.
Apologies for missing that in the OP and subsequent comments, I can't imagine how. I think the only possible reason I missed it was because it wasn't frigging there.
🙄
Nice change of story though. 😉
The question is, where exactly did he say they'd undertaken him - or is that just something you assumed captainsuperior? So how has he changed his story?
At least we now know their names ;).
OP - you really ought to have taken extreme care with your words as it's not like you're new to STW!
The question is, where exactly did he say they'd undertaken him - or is that just something you assumed captainsuperior? So how has he changed his story?
He never pointed out that they actually overtook him, dear arser, he stated that they were hooning it up the inside lane and then left him standing. Now it has changed to an overtake.
I'll even draw picture for the hard of...
@ Herr Kapitan..
Checking my mirrors regularly, as I do, I spot a blue vehicle approaching from behind in the inside lane going like stink,
That was in my OP.
Inside lane being the one nearest the central reservation. No-one undertook me, that started after they passed. So are we clear on what happenned yet or is it a misunderstanding of what the inside lane is?
Anyway, wev'e clarified three things. One is that it's ok to speed excessively on a motorway, the second is that It's not ok to stay in the middle lane, ever.
