https://twitter.com/i/status/1414294866704617486
Sent to me by both German and Italian colleagues this morning.
The beautiful game. Makes you proud to be British. Engerland!
It's not "unbelievable," it's exactly what I'd have expected. The (even more) sad part of this is that if England had won it'd likely have been worse. I can only hope that this lot of ****knuckles aren't representative of everyone else who was there.
[obligatory tangential brexit reference]
It says that those people who are getting punched are those without tickets.
Oh, well, that's alright then.
Not sure how that makes it acceptable to punch a fleeing child in the face.
I clicked on the link and didn't see any "unbelievable footage", I'm sorry to say. Add the apparently expected 38% rise in DV following an England loss to the visible assholes and it's a sorry picture all round.
I hope that person punching the kid is found and given a long long time inside.
Flaming hell, the Gammons are getting angrier! That's someone's Dad punching all around him. Embarassing, depressing stuff.
Sent to me by both German and Italian colleagues this morning.
Neither nation gets to be high horsed about football violence do they, I mean its not solely an English disease is it?
Heck they pretty much closed off access to central Rome last night, banned having glass bottles in public after 7pm (I think) and so on in fear of what would happen after the game.
It's the fact that many (if not most) of the folk dishing out the punches and kicks are clearly looking for opportunities for violence that it's clear that's what they're there for. Check out the tallish thin guy in the brown check shirt and shorts for example.
I agree its not acceptable in any mind.
It also seems to be people swinging for anything. Which just shows how mindless these people are.
https://twitter.com/Urban_Pictures/status/1414241047883001856
Leicester Square at 4pm yesterday. Four hours before the game started.
But yeah. ****ing imigrunts rooinin are ****ry. Obvs.
Needs a title change. I can't think of any animal that acts out of such mindless malice.
England in a tournament brings out some of the worst people in society. I wish this would have changed since I realised it in the 90s but I'm not surprised to learn it hasn't. Probably a good job we lost.
The beautiful game. Makes you proud to be British. Engerland!
Still got two minutes to correct that Cougar....
Its a shame the police weren't able to surround the building and pull them out one by one for some hard judicial action. That's always been a hope of mine when i see this level of violence, but they act such and seem to always get away with it. The perpetrators are there and easy to spot.
£1000, £2500 fines handed out en-masse or some real lengths of time spent in a 6x8 cell would probably do more to curb their inhibitions, than a 60 quid public order fine, which is peanuts and doesn't dissuade anyone.
I thought this thread would be about Priti Patel, is disappoint.
I'm just listening to our plant manager ranting in his office,
"this is the one circumstance when the police should be armed and just shoot the ****!"
I'm finding it hard to disagree! 🤣
Why are they getting so upset and violent about others without tickets getting in? Is it because they have borrowed thousands they haven't got from Quickquid or whatever for their tickets and that plus booze gives them the right to swing at anything moving in a gammony rage?
Still got two minutes to correct that Cougar….
Nah, the dissonance was intentional.
But yeah. ****ing imigrunts rooinin are ****ry. Obvs.
Have you got some kind of ex-mod swear filter avoidance privileges? 🙂
Its a shame the police weren’t able to surround the building and pull them out one by one for some hard judicial action. That’s always been a hope of mine when i see this level of violence, but they act such and seem to always get away with it. The perpetrators are there and easy to spot.
Well, the perps weren't women attending a vigil, so that's absolutely fine.
Why are they getting so upset and violent about others without tickets getting in?
Because it's a handy excuse to justify kicking people with a slight tan in the head. They could equally as likely got all fighty because someone had bought pizza with pineapple on it.
Why are they getting so upset and violent about others without tickets getting in? Is it because they have borrowed thousands they haven’t got from Quickquid or whatever for their tickets and that plus booze gives them the right to swing at anything moving in a gammony rage?
Why on earth do you think they're poor ?
Have you got some kind of ex-mod swear filter avoidance privileges? 🙂
I can't help the S****horpe Problem.
A lot of chubsters there!
£1000, £2500 fines handed out en-masse or some real lengths of time spent in a 6×8 cell would probably do more to curb their inhibitions, than a 60 quid public order fine, which is peanuts and doesn’t dissuade anyone.
£60 public order fines are a convenience because the court system can't handle the workload. Football Banning Orders are a common result when they do make it to court.
Police Scotland are still identifying and prosecuting people from George Square trouble after Rangers won the league - I'd hope that the Met will be similarly persistent as all this footage should make it easy to do. I suspect though the main focus will be on how the security was breached rather than the vigilantes enforcing it. I'd be happy to see those breaching security also prosecuted, but there's some nasty shit there even if your aim was to do the stewards job for them - kicking at someone's head when they are on the ground, potentially jail time for that.
I've never really understood it, do any other Sports attract this sort of behaviour? They supposed to be the minority, but is it the same minority that turn up every time?
They could equally as likely got all fighty because someone had bought pizza with pineapple on it.
At least that would be more justified. (Joking)
The fact football seems to be the only sport that attracts this level of knuckle dragging tribalism is something I don't understand. It's not like rugby and cricket spectators don't get trolleyed and make fools of themselves, but they don't seem to have the nasty violent side.
Shocking but unfortunately, expected. Football fans being their usual selves, added with a mix of over 12 months of restrictions. Not a good recipe.
Leicester Square FOUR hours before the match. There were folk queuing to get in pubs from opening time. FFS. 8-9 hours of drinking before the match. Many city centres were totally rammed.
All that's coming home is Heard Immunity and a massive rise in Covid. FFS.
Sent to me by both German and Italian colleagues this morning.
Absolutely shocking but I do wonder what type of relationship you have with those colleagues for them to send you this. I would never highlight it to colleagues from those countries if (when) the boot was on the other foot. What is their motive?
It's horrendous but I'd also consider it pretty ****ty of your colleagues to send it to you. England do have a terrible element to their fans but people seem to think we are the only ones with a problem.
Italian clubs have very close links with their hooligan elements so I don't think they can get on any kind of high horse.
Exactly surfer.
Look at all that common sense that BoJo was talking about being displayed there.
Maybe send your Italian colleagues this:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/10242296/italian-football-ultras-knives-grenades-hooligans-gangsters/
Its a shame the police weren’t able to surround the building and pull them out one by one for some hard judicial action. That’s always been a hope of mine when i see this level of violence, but they act such and seem to always get away with it. The perpetrators are there and easy to spot.
If the police were able to surround the building effectively on short notice, then they should have done it before the match, to stop people without tickets getting in.
I am not in any way condoning the violence that happened, but I am massively shocked that in a modern stadium like Wembley, people were able to get through security without tickets.
You would think Hillsborough would have made a difference to how this was policed, but apparently not.
Not condoning violence but, hypothetically if everyone sat on their hands and it had been another Hillsborough, would we all be here saying "I'd have done something to stop them getting in", a bit of the STW staples, owned with bombers, fist pie (and mash, being London and football-related), then bum their dog?
Rather than the slight weirdness of this thread getting all frothing mouthed and angry at the idea that other people are getting frothing mouthed and angry (but it's Ok because they're gammons and you're not).
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Absolutely shocking but I do wonder what type of relationship you have with those colleagues for them to send you this. I would never highlight it to colleagues from those countries if (when) the boot was on the other foot. What is their motive?
I was thinking that too. Did they send a video of school shootings to their US colleagues, 9/11 to Muslim colleagues etc. Or is this an anti England thing?
I talk to them all day everyday. Like they are in the next office. The conversation was along the lines of
"what about the fighting?"
"What fighting?"
"This."
Not trying it on. Just a conversation.
You would think Hillsborough would have made a difference to how this was policed, but apparently not.
I suppose the issue is at least partially that you can't lock fire exits when people are inside, which presumably makes them relatively easy to jimmy open or perhaps some steward took an ill-advised shortcut out and got mobbed, maybe we'll find out.
Whereas in Hillsborough they were let in the wrong gates to attempt to alleviate crowding.
Can a chuck in a slightly different but more positive football and cycling related story.
The Chris Hoy velodrome is opposite Celtic Park.
We were there for the track cycling, Euros I think, a few years ago. Our session ended just as the crowd left Celtic Park.
So there we are in a crowd of Union Jack drapped cycling fans as the tricolour waving folk of Glasgow arrive.
Uh oh, thinks I.
Actually we got asked in a slightly confused tone why we had Union Jacks outside Celtic Park (technically our family didn’t but hey).
The cycling.
Instant interest and how does track cycling work and who won and was anyone riding they’d have heard of.
Genuinely lovely conversations with folk who were just interested.
YMMV
As expected 🙁
how that makes it acceptable to punch a fleeing child in the face.
it's an impressive amount of emotive spin you've used there, but that "fleeing child" had just forced his way past police and security to get into a stadium without a ticket. And he wasn't really "fleeing" was he, he was breaking in.
I still don't think those administering "justice" were right to do so, but the mob that forced their way in without tickets can hardly claim to be blameless victims can they?
how that makes it acceptable to punch a child in the face.
Better?
I was thinking that too. Did they send a video of school shootings to their US colleagues, 9/11 to Muslim colleagues etc. Or is this an anti England thing?
Surely it's about time we looked at how others perceive us, in order to gain a more objective perspective, instead of conveniently falling back on idealised images we have of ourselves? The fact is that we have a growing problem of anger, xenophobia and violence amongst let's face it, white men, in the same way the USA has. Growing far-right wing sentiments, fuelled by the 'divide et imperium' policies engineered by the ruling elites. Where is the challenge to this behaviour? Our prime minister and government are actively encouraging such people with dog-whistle and even overt racism, there is the spectre of fascism looming over us more than at any other time since WW2, and a mainstream press controlled by those same elites who want us all to be at each others' throats, fighting over scraps, docile and incapable of challenging the status quo. instead of just bleating 'but what about x,y and z', how about we look at ourselves for a change. Because this situation isn't going to change until we do.
As for those insinuating that 'football' is the root cause; it's just that football is far and away the most popular sport, in both participation and spectatorship, than any other. I've seen drunken racist rugby crowds at Richmond station, and in London, and even a mob of drunken cricket fans at St.Johns Wood station, so that same alchohol-fuelled jingoistic belligerence isn't exclusive to one sport. I'm sure if table tennis or synchronised swimming were as popular as football is, you'd still get the same kind of trouble makers attending major events. Tribalism just needs an excuse, any will do.
