[Closed] 42mph in a 30...what will the fine/points be?

fixed penalty - £60? & 3 points

£60, 3 points and spit roasting on here

I got 3 points and £60 fine for 41 in a 30, about 5 years ago though so may have gone up.

Google "SP30"

Car or MTB?
Car SP30 3 points + fine
MTB - respect 😉

Might get 60 quid and a speed awareness course, meaning no points

Nice to know [i]something[/i] is inflation-proof.

I'd like to think you'll get more than 3 points but unfortunately you probably won't.

Why were you speeding BTW ?

I can tick the box for the speed awareness course and see if they will let me on it but there usual boundary is 39mph - not sure if a first offence is given more leniency or not? Ive only got the NIP at the moment so will have to send that back and see where it goes from there

What you get castigated for is whinging about being caught. Extra hot roasting for claiming its a stealth tax

Was it cops? If they say fixed penalty then as above - £60 and 3 pts.

Why were you speeding BTW ?

Coming into a 30 from NSL and didnt slow down quick enough - the police van was about 100m back from the speed limit sign. Road I drive every day so a touch of cockiness no doubt.

Ah, I see - harsh one then.

Extra hot roasting for claiming its a stealth tax

You've got that wrong TJ. Use damp wood for a slow and painful burn for a Mailism like that.

Examine the the NIP carefully - you may be able to find a technical error in it somewhere & have if declared null & void
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Right, that's my Saturday evening entertainment sorted, can you all wait till I've got a beer & are sitting down again? 😆

Blame the wife? and yes you deserve it for speeding in a 30mph area sorry and don't do it again!

If you're on your roadbike then I quit.

I got done for 43 in a 30 in Oct '08, disputed the ticket as the 30mph sign was 250m outside the 1st house in the village, it didn't work and I got another summons threatening me with additional charges if I went to court, so I did...and got humped with £450 and 6 points for non disclosure of driver details. Justice done? Not quite, I challenged that ruling (after paying the fine to avoid further legal issues) and I've just won as the 2nd judge ruled that the positioning of the sign contravened the Homeoffice guidelines (No street lights, no raised curbs etc) so I could reasonably presume that this part of the road was still a 60mph zone. Of course its entirely up to you but nothing is ever cut and dried and if you have reasonable grounds to challenge the road signage then there are numerous legal precedents.

Examine the the NIP carefully - you may be able to find a technical error in it somewhere & have if declared null & void

Ive got a couple of things that im sure i could stall them on etc etc to get it thrown out- not notifying within 14 days, not positioning the camera in a accident prone area etc etc but I WAS IN THE WRONG and trying to get out of it on a admin technicality is in my opinion morally wrong as well

hopefully you will be dry-bummed by hulk hogan..

but I WAS IN THE WRONG and trying to get out of it on a admin technicality is in my opinion morally wrong as well

That sort of reply really isn't going to keep this going for too long - still time to edit it 🙂

Wasn't Hulk Hogan a steroid freak? Surely there is someone better to dish out that sort of punsihment? Geoff Capes?

That sort of reply really isn't going to keep this going for too long - still time to edit it

Sorry! Would it be better to keep it going for some saturday entertainment!

Dont know but I got caught doing 75 in a 50 with an MOT which expired a week earlier. Court hearing on Tuesday. How bad will that be....?

Depends mcmoonter, did they find the corpse in the trunk as well?

Dont know but I got caught doing 75 in a 50 with an MOT which expired a week earlier. Court hearing on Tuesday. How bad will that be....?

£150 - 4 points

How many points for a corpse?

I pled guilty to the charges but the PFs office said it would be worthwhile going to court to respect the gravity of the case. I renewed my MOT next day. Doubt that will make any difference.

I hate speeding fines! They're a stupid tax on a victimless crime.

I see many people who are capable of driving a little faster. And I see awful drivers duffing along at lower than the limit and having no control of their cars.

Speed as a metric is not a good predictor of driving skill.

Tbh, if there was a technicality you could use - then do it!

That sort of reply really isn't going to keep this going for too long

How about that one then? 😀

I hate speeding fines! They're a stupid tax on a victimless crime.

I see many people who are capable of driving a little faster. And I see awful drivers duffing along at lower than the limit and having no control of their cars.

Speed as a metric is not a good predictor of driving skill.

Tbh, if there was a technicality you could use - then do it!

allthepies - Member
Ah, I see - harsh one then.

Wasn't Hulk Hogan a steroid freak? Surely there is someone better to dish out that sort of punsihment? Geoff Capes?

where's Giant Haystacks and Big Daddy when you need them most..?

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You don't get any grief from me if you admit you did wrong, which you did 🙂

Speed as a metric is not a good predictor of driving skill.

It is however a great metric of the consequences of an accident.

where's Giant Haystacks and Big Daddy when you need them most..?

Dead?

Stocks and rotten tomatoes.

Molgrips - how can speed be a metric of the consequences of an accident?

Broken ribs and dented wings aren't measured in mph?

But it isn't a good metric of driving skill. If I go 90 on an empty motorway in a well serviced car, sober and untired. Am I more likely to cause an accident then a dozy driver in a pile of junk not paying attention but going 29 in a 30 limit.

I appreciate moral highground is measured in mph by some so there's little point in me offering an alternate point of view.

3 points and £60 fine. I know as i got done for exactly the same about 1 month ago.
I even made the local paper in " Police crack down on boy racers" article.
41 year old in 100bhp Passat Diesel estate at 10pm . Hardly a boy racer, still makes the stats look better to the local busybodies

I hate speeding fines! They're a stupid tax

got one for 41 in a 30 through the post today... B4591 on my to Cwmcarn. Don't even remember going through a camera or even seeing one flash... which kind of speaks for itself - What it'll change about my driving is to make sure I spend more time looking out for cameras than I do the road in front. First ticket for about five or six years.

Kev

What fine for looking like Big Daddy in a pair of bib shorts?

What fine for riding a SS without a Giant Haystack beard?

What it'll change about my driving is to make sure I spend more time looking out for cameras than I do the road in front

Why not learn to drive the speed limit? Serious question.

Molgrips - how can speed be a metric of the consequences of an accident

Kinetic energy is related to speed. Hit a wall at 10mph, scratched bumper. Hit one at 70mph - death.

It's also a metric of how fast you can stop. Kid runs out infront of you when you're doing 30mph, you can stop. Same thing at 50mph - death.

Driving skill is a separate issue. Bad drivers are bad, good drivers are good but still make mistakes. If we keep our speed down as a matter of habit (or law) then we'll all have more time to correct mistakes and avoid stuff happening.

Surprised I have to explain this tbh.

[i]Surprised I have to explain this tbh. [/i]

You didn't have to, you just took it upon yourself to do so then told us you had to. Patronising tbh.

This was the question I was surprised at, and what the explanation was for:

Molgrips - how can speed be a metric of the consequences of an accident?

Surely the faster you drive through a built up area the less likely you are to hit someone in the first place?

Length of built up area in miles / speed of vehicle mph = exposure to hitting a child.

60mph through a mile long village = 1 minute in which to hit a child.

By halving your speed you double this risk.

How much do you get for a Noble prize these days?

...and mobile cameras don't have to be in an accident prone area.

and RS**** is clearly on a wind up.

It's also a fact Yeti that 28% of all accidents are caused by drivers under the influence of alcohol or drugs

Ban all sober drivers for an instant 72% reduction in accidents

Can we share the Nobel Prize?

Uplink, can't you just wait until next year to submit your thesis.
Or maybe the year after...

95% of accidents on country roads aren't caused by excessive speed. Which basically means 95% of accidents on country roads are caused by people going to slow.

Well...you'd need to look at what the percentages are in the whole driving population

sorry, the ticket is a bit of a sore subject. I'm actually very annoyed with myself for not even seeing the camera - kind of tells me I wasn't looking where I was going. Not good. Shouldn't have called you patronising, not good either. Need an early night.

Kev

Molgripes - you missed the point. How is speed a metric of a consequence of an accident.

The key word is consequence.

The consequences of an accident are injury, pain, death? How are these measured by speed?

When you've learnt to read, then you can answer.

Bad driving is not a separate question. The police use speed as a surrogate marker for good driving - but there's little sense to this.

There must be a better way? Constant reassessment? I don't know. But speed cameras don't stop bad drivers.

When you've learnt to read, then you can answer

Don't add shite like that, it's pointless.

The police use speed as a surrogate marker for good driving

Not entirely sure that this is the case to be honest.

But anyway, no matter how good you are there's always going to be mistakes. And when they happen, the lower your speed then a) the time you and everyone else have to correct it and b) the less severe the ultimate consequences of impact.

Surely you agree?

But speed cameras don't stop bad drivers.

That's obvious. However they are there to enforce a speed limit. The speed limit is there as a safety net for everyone.

Or, to put it another way, if there are bad drivers around, I don't want them ripping around at 80mph everywhere.

Sorry Molegripes if you think my response was 'shite'.

I was simply suggesting that you seemed aghast at my post and had needed to ask a four year old for clarification.

I was only saying speed was not a metric of consequence. It isn't. Is it?

"speed kills". No it doesn't. I did 75 today and I didn't die.

S****, that is a rubbish argument. I drove home drunk today, and I didn't die. So clearly drink driving doesn't kill either.

I was only saying speed was not a metric of consequence. It isn't. Is it?

It is. It's a metric of how bad things will be if you hit something.

"speed kills". No it doesn't. I did 75 today and I didn't die.

Do you honestly think that's what the slogan is claiming? Really?

If I go on an empty motorway in a well serviced car, [b]drunk[/b] and untired. Am I more likely to cause an accident then a dozy driver in a pile of junk not paying attention but going 29 in a 30 limit.?

my hubby was caught recently doin 38 mph in a 30 zone (which was a downhill steep road barely impossible to keep at 30 mph....anyway he had to pay 60 quid fine and had to go on a speed awareness course for a few hours... there were about 50 people in this classroom he said..

...barely impossible to keep at 30 mph....

does his car not have any brakes?

DrRS**** - Member

I hate speeding fines! They're a stupid tax on a victimless crime.

I see many people who are capable of driving a little faster. And I see awful drivers duffing along at lower than the limit and having no control of their cars.

Speed as a metric is not a good predictor of driving skill.

Tbh, if there was a technicality you could use - then do it!

well what a suprise RS**** being a tosser.

It is not a tax. It is a penalty for breaking the law. It is very easy to avoid. Don't speed

The consequences of a crash are worse the higher the speed, the faster yo are driving the less time you have to react.

Now I consider myself a good driver / rider. I have ridden at speeds that would make your hair curl. However if and when I get done for speeding I will not bleat. I will know it is my fault. I will know I was not being properly obnservant to get caught in the speed trap and I no longer speed in urban areas.

So Drs**** - do try not to live up to your name

Its not speed that kills . Its hitting stuff and the subsequent deceleration that kills. If speed kills then we should drive round at 0mph. At 0mph you are not speeding. At 0mph you will not crash or hit a child that runs out after his football.
However 0mph is not practicle. Drivers not paying attention, driving tired , distracted , drunk and / or on the phone are more likely to have accidents.
The speed multiplier tells you how big the accidint is going to be.
Revenue generation is part of the conundrum, if it wasnt then speed awareness courses would be mandatory .
The bummer is after 25 years of having a clean licence I now have 3 points which in todays job market does make a difference as so many job ads do say full clean current driving licence.
It also means having to drive really carefully as not to get any more as the points stay for 4 years , and 12 points means a court appearance and a ban. This aggravates others at 0515 when i commute through a 30 at 30 when mr white van man is doing 50mph.

TJ reckons the faster you are driving the longer the reaction times. Not exactly true. It will take further to react and further to stop, but then modern cars do stop very quickly. Peoples inability to steer whilst keeping enough presure on the brake pedal to acivate, and keep activated , the ABS system is more relevant, Think about it, have you ever had a full on ABS stop. Did it cross your mind that as the wheels are not locked the car will still turn and you can take avoiding action.

If we all get those big exhausts on our cars, and massive stereo systems then people will be able to hear us coming and get out of the way, then we can drive as fast as we like 🙂

I don't care about the speeding argument anymore. I'm just enjoying being tingly at TJ saying how fast he rides. Mmmmmmmm......

, Think about it, have you ever had a full on ABS stop.

The joys of having a company car you're about to hand back. I tested the ABS on a Type-R from over 100mph. Works pretty good.

Not all White van men drive at 50! Some of us can actually adhere to the limit!!!

It also means having to drive really carefully

Heaven forbid!