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They promised more hospitals and nurses.
Ohhh we’ll get them. Funded privately (like several new builds recently) then be shackled to debt owned by overseas investors.
Rule ****ing Britannia
Best Twitter response to election so far
https://mobile.twitter.com/gavmacn/status/1205255004195610629
OK, I believe you. Where did you meet them?
While walking in the hills in northern Mallorca
& this is my fault how?
So pundits saying it's a mix of:
1) Brexit galvanisation among leave voters
2) Corbyn becoming a known entity
3) Brexit fatigue and apathy among remainers
Labour are ****ed if that 10% swing is representative
Blythe Valley has a 10% swing ffs
Also voted just over 60% leave iirc.
It is possible we see swings the other way in heavy remain constituencies. It'll be interesting.
Labour are **** if that 10% swing is representative
Potential indication for future election direction ...
Mainstream media.
Maybe some of it. Telegraph and the like. I can't recall any references to extreme socialism or capitalism in the media. Or taking industry by force.
The forest kept shrinking but the trees still voted for the axe because the handle was made of wood and they thought it was one of them.
So pundits saying it’s a mix of:
1) Brexit galvanisation among leave voters
2) Corbyn becoming a known entity
3) Brexit fatigue and apathy among remainers
Seems reasonable, my last post on the Breixit thread was sadness at the fact people seemed more and more resigned to Brexit just from reading this forum.
Yes, Daz is.
You know fine well I said months ago that labour should be wary of going against the brexit vote. Blyth Valley, which had the most vociferous MP screaming that it was at risk if labour moved towards remain fell. What evidence do you need?
Oh I also said that remainers voting for Lib Dem’s would hand victory to Boris. Tory majority in Blyth 1000, 2000 Lib Dem votes, go figure.
Yes, it’s just Brexit, not Corbyn and his communist and far left millionaire advisors that have turned people away. When Labour shed MPs for either not being left enough, or being Jewish, or both, what do you think your swing voters were taking from that?
Seems reasonable, my last post on the Breixit thread was sadness at the fact people seemed more and more resigned to Brexit just from reading this forum.
And Corbyn is the cause of both points 2 and 3.
Had they been given hope, remain turnout would have been better and less split. Labour probably would have still lost, but not this hard.
Do we actually have any Corbynites here
What do they ride? I've heard gravel bike afficiandos are a bit subversive.
I think you've missed the point I'm talking about French media, Chromolyolly in response to TJ talking about European views of Corbyn and the media I'm refering to are TF1, Le Point, Libé, Le Figaro, Charlie Hebdo and German; Eins Extra, FAZ, RBB, On Vista...
John Bercow on Sky at the moment, worth a listen.
Yup, Bercow perceptive as ever.
And Corbyn is the cause of both points 2 and 3.
Well #2 is axiomatic but how does the guy that was against the leave deal, for the bill preventing hard brexit and only willing to go to an election once a no deal brexit is off the table goin to cause apathy and fatigue amongst remainders?
The fatigue is because it wasn't going anywhere for good reason.
Sky News call it the Brexit Election
my last post on the Breixit thread was sadness at the fact people seemed more and more resigned to Brexit just from reading this forum.
It just takes too much emotional effort to keep fighting it, Ed. Sad but true. At some point you have to accept it. Not vote for it, of course, but I can't keep on being horrified.
What's Bercow saying?
m talking about French media,
Do they commonly say things like that? I thought making stuff up and publishing it as fact was Johnson bailiwick. No wonder people don't understand each other.
Wait, the exit polls only sampled from 144 polling stations?
Anyone got a decent link to how exit polls work because I'm struggling to see how this works.
I'm not happy with the prospect of more Tory rule or Brexit. But I listened to a programme on BBC this morning about Lebanon, and the amount of corruption, death and struggle involved in ordinary life there - compared to which the UK is still pretty good, despite the probable election result.
But it’s not about Brexit, of course. An ex-mining town has overnight become true blue Tories just randomly. Not Brexit related at all.
Blyth Valley 99% white so presumably immigration isn't an issue. What is it about Brexit that attracts them?
I'm looking forward to seeing what happens to Bassetlaw (where I grew up in a pit village) and Bolsover. Though not in a good way.
Wait, the exit polls only sampled from 144 polling stations?
Hundreds of seats can just be ignored as they are so easily predicted. Just ask the bookies.
The fatigue is because it wasn’t going anywhere for good reason.
If the election was about Brexit like you say, then you HAVE to galvanise people around your cause.
Corbyn did not do that, he only galvanised people against him - I can't see how that will have won him more votes than supporting remainers in a more forthright manner to counter the fatigue.
It's either about Brexit or it isn't and in both scenarios - Corbyn is either wholly or partly to blame.
Blyth Valley 99% white so presumably immigration isn’t an issue. What is it about Brexit that attracts them?
The promise of something better. Even if it's all a pack of lies.
Blyth Valley 99% white so presumably immigration isn’t an issue. What is it about Brexit that attracts them?
It can't be any worse than what they've had for 25 years and it's possible it might be better?
You know fine well I said months ago that labour should be wary of going against the brexit vote. Blyth Valley, which had the most vociferous MP screaming that it was at risk if labour moved towards remain fell. What evidence do you need?
Labour has been selling a red Brexit which pissed off 2/3 of its voters. The only real life Brits I'm in touch with are lifelong Labour voter and also remainers. They voted Lib Dem this time.
Labour are a Brexit party, that's not what lost them leave votes.
Labour are a Brexit party, that’s not what lost them leave votes.
Of course it lost them Leave votes Ed. But it wasn’t the only thing turning people off Labour. And it’s not just “leave votes” lost, far from it.
Blyth Valley 99% white so presumably immigration isn’t an issue. What is it about Brexit that attracts them?
"The frustrated follow a leader less because of their faith that he is leading them to a promised land than because of their immediate feeling that he is leading them away from their unwanted selves. Surrender to a leader is not a means to an end but a fulfillment. Whither they are led is of secondary importance." - Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements
If the election was about Brexit like you say, then you HAVE to galvanise people around your cause.
Well if you could explain how he was going to galvanise leavers around not leaving and conservatives around labour, you could be the next Cummings.
It was established early on that conservative remainers were going to vote Tory. Other parties Leavers were going to vote leave.
Who could Corbyn galvanise around the opposite of those two things?
I’m looking forward to seeing what happens to Bassetlaw
Here in Bassetlaw you just hear people talking up Boris.
Staggering.
They're obsessed with Brexit. We will go blue despite a really good ground campaign.
My main mistaken judgment here is I thought good policies would cut through Brexit. I'm really struggling with that one. People would sooner see the NHS die on its arse?
I said right at the beginning of the Brexit vote - it has to go full on no deal, and people have to see the consequences. Only then might they be ready for an understanding how they've shot themselves in the foot.
Alan Johnson on fire on ITV - decent man betrayed by his party.
Blyth Valley 99% white so presumably immigration isn’t an issue. What is it about Brexit that attracts them?
Isn't it broadly the case that the more white an area is, the more racist it is?
They've never met a brown person but they've heard that they speak a bit funny and smell, plus they're all over here illegally, simultaneously claiming benefits whilst taking our jobs, so we're probably best off getting rid of them. Oh, apart from Mohammed who runs the corner shop of course, he's alright, it's those other ones we don't like.
Blyth Valley 99% white so presumably immigration isn’t an issue.
I'd bet fear of it is.
Well if you could explain how he was going to galvanise leavers around not leaving and conservatives around labour, you could be the next Cummings.
Stronger more personal attacks on Boris like in the last couple of days, going after his and the Tories lack of empathy and corruption. Corbyn played far too nicely until the last minute.
Strong support for remain.
A Blairite at the helm to poach conservative remain voters.
Put a lid on the Jew bashing early on to stop the perception being that Labour are engaging in pro Muslim identity politics.
A mate of mine was a Blairite political adviser for the Labour party - you jest that if I had a plan then I could be the next Cummings, but the strategy is actually pretty bloody simple.
Alan Johnson on fire on ITV – decent man betrayed by his party.
Other way around in my opinion.
Do they commonly say things like that?
They just quote things that might interest people from the manifestos. I was so surprised when I first heard about some of Labour's policies on Europe 1 that I checked them and Europe 1 had it spot on, it was the policy that seemed incredible.
Nice one- ITV coverage the best at the mo-
Oh I also said that remainers voting for Lib Dem’s would hand victory to Boris. Tory majority in Blyth 1000, 2000 Lib Dem votes, go figure.
Don’t forget the Greens. They also got more votes in Blythe than the Tories won by.
Labour are a Brexit party,
You what? They voted against brexit at every turn. Even magic grandad was only in favour of another referendum. Mostly because a bunch of people said that if they thought leave would win the referendum they would have voted remain. The day after the referendum.
