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@dissonance, I don’t think the ‘hard right’ are presenting the Labour position as anything other than ‘betraying the people’, yadda yadda… @outofbreath’s analysis has nowt to do with the ‘hard right’.
@houns, bad weather might keep people working long hours with big commutes away from the booths. The retired people will rock up at 11am, and then go for tea and cakes and a natter about saving England from the changes they dislike.
I think it will all come down to places like Harrogate in the end,.
A slim majority in favour of remain at the referendum,
An M P who has always voted for which ever version of the deal was touted,
And a definate possibility of turning back to Lib Dem as a result at the GE, ( although it would take a large swing )
there are a lot of folks around here really pissed off at the idea of leaving who may swing it,
after all the leavers will still vote Tory.
It won’t take many Tory seats to change hands to leave us right back where we started from........
For Harrogate read pretty much any Tory seat that voted remain, where ld are in 2nd place ,
On the other side it works in reverse in Labour seats that voted leave, but only where the Tories are a close 2nd,
After all I can’t see many leave voters switching to L D, they are more likely to stick with Labour and hope for another referendum ( or cross fingers for a Tory win )
But
Whatever happens remember 1 very important fact
Politicians of every brand will say whatever it takes to get your vote so don’t believe a word any of them say ☹️
It all depends on the seat @outofbreath … there are so few Labour/LibLab marginals in a general election that your comparison is irrelevant for most of the UK.
From all the commentary I've read there's no way to predict what's a safe seat and what's not - Brexit (with a remain party and two leave partys) changes everything. eg Some safe Tory seats will be remain areas, in some areas the Torys are remainers and the Labour voters are leavers and so on.
There's no such thing as a safe seat this time.
There’s no such thing as a safe seat this time.
Not really true, unless you simply mean there are fewer safe seats than before.
I don’t think the ‘hard right’ are presenting the Labour position as anything other than ‘betraying the people’, yadda yadda
Really? You dont think the brexiteer elite wont be using that as one of their many attack lines?
Cracking speech by Jess this evening.
Woohoo! Election!
I just hope the main parties get hammered.
My vote will go to Brexit Party in Labour land.
😄
A lot of labour MP’s are apparently already clearing their desks at Westminster
A lot of labour MP’s are apparently already clearing their desks at Westminster
I hope that is the same for the Tories.
A lot of labour MP’s are apparently already clearing their desks at Westminster
Hopefully JC is one of them....
Hopefully JC is one of them…
Always good to see the politically illiterate happy to out themselves.
73% of voters in Islington North voted for Corbyn in the last GE. You may not like him as a politician but it's pretty obvious that his constituents do.
Also please bear in mind you were responding to something 'binners' dribbled forth via his keyboard. He has a pretty solid history of talking complete cods.
There’s no such thing as a safe seat this time.
I will bet £1,000 with anyone who wants to take it that Desmond Swayne will win New Forest West as easily as he has for the last 20 years.
Hopefully JC is one of them….
Boris is in more danger of losing his seat than JC,
I read Boris was moving seats to somewhere safer
I suspect Jess Phillips is bang on, here. She usually is
https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1189231956472598528?s=21
No doubt Cummings will be planning on doubling down on on all the dodgy dubious stunts that he used in the referendum campaign, plus some new additions
I read Boris was moving seats to somewhere safer
That is the rumour and seems pretty likely. Reckon the one way kerley would lose the bet is if Johnson nicks that seat but more seriously got several seats available from those quitting or have been given the boot which are a lot safer.
The people voted in 2017. Why do we need a second general election? I say anyone who wants to re-run the will of the people in 2017 is anti-democratic
Clifton-Brown in the Cotswolds is an almost guaranteed safe seat, even with his ejection from the party conference. If he gets less than 50% of the vote that might be seen as a gentle warning...
A lot of labour MP’s are apparently already clearing their desks at Westminster
Cowardly *****! (sorry I am aware I'm swearing a lot today). Seriously though, if a politician of any colour doesn't relish the chance to fight an election and make their case for whatever it is they believe in, then they shouldn't be standing. No doubt we can rely on them to spend the campaign whining about how unfair it all is and how it's not their fault. If they're not willing to fight they should stand aside for those who are.
My understanding was that foreign funding during an election campaign was illegal, but I daresay it will happen.
Oh, and the old doddery Brexit voters will have postal votes already set up.
So how did we will only back an election on the 9th end up giving Dumbojo what he wanted all along.
When are the people who know what they're doing turn up?
I suspect Jess Phillips is bang on, here. She usually is<
She's probably upset she's got to try and get behind Labour and put them into power.
(seriously - what the bloody hell is she warbling on about. Her acting is getting worse.)
Looks like there’s been a vagina alert at Brocialist HQ.
My constituency swings between Labour and Lib Dem every few years - currently Labour but could go back to Lib Dem. No chance of the Tories getting the seat.
Dd - sorry but that needs a translation
The people voted in 2017. Why do we need a second general election? I say anyone who wants to re-run the will of the people in 2017 is anti-democratic
The result of the 2017 election has been implemented, the referendum result has been..................
Speak to some female Labour MPs who dare to speak their mind Graham.
Ah got you
The result of the 2017 election has been implemented, the referendum result has been………………
Really? We've brought back fox hunting & have a Brexit deal that has no border in the Irish sea, close regulatory alignment with the EU & binding workers rights, standards & environmental protections , plus workers on company boards, independent energy supplier review, corporate pay review, takeover rules revised, productivity investment fund, prison & justice review, shale gas wealth fund, strengthend the union😁🤣🤣🤣
https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto
If we don't have a vote to repeal fox hunting then democracy in this country is dead !!! 🙄
Don’t forget,
In order to vote you have to make sure you are registered to do so
Regardless of how you plan on voting ( and please do ) it is important to register
https://www.registertovote.service.gov.uk/register-to-vote
Speak to some female Labour MPs who dare to speak their mind Graham.
And yet MPs such as Laura Pidcock regularly speak their mind.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the message not the messenger that attracts the criticism?
Jess Phillips, unfortunately, is only generally interested in the prospects of Jess Phillips.
The people voted in 2017. Why do we need a second general election? I say anyone who wants to re-run the will of the people in 2017 is anti-democratic
The result of the 2017 election has been implemented, the referendum result has been………………
The only chance to get Brexit is to "drain the swamp", hopefully with No Deal, then start again. i.e. get out with No Deal then after that the politicians can argue amongst themselves until their face turn blue.
The only chance to get Brexit is to “drain the swamp”, hopefully with No Deal, then start again. i.e. get out with No Deal then after that the politicians can argue amongst themselves until their face turn blue.
Without wishing to be rude, are you even eligible to vote in the UK?
The result of the 2017 election has been implemented,
Has it? Have the Tories delivered all their election promises already? The “winning” party is the means, not the end.
Jess Phillips, unfortunately, is only generally interested in the prospects of Jess Phillips.
S'ok, if binners et al get what they want she'll soon have plenty of time to develop her career as a celebrity. Strictly Come Dancing are probably on the phone as we speak.
the amendment for 16+, EU citizens and troll votes was narrowly rejected
Jess Phillips - There will be an onslaught of money, from who knows where, coming into the country to fund propaganda during our election.. our electoral laws are not fit for purpose & we are about to see foreign funding flood into our system
I really rate Jess Phillips and I'd agree we need to end private funding of political parties - the state needs to do it.
Having said that, if she's saying the Tory party are at an advantage in campaigning terms due to funds she's wrong. AFAIK the Tory party is broke - in debt IIRC. (Google's not helping me with the figures.) Plus, crucially, the Tory party have a dearth of activists. The other parties have activist coming out of their ears. They're not running a good well funded campaign their entire lead in the Polls is due to an utterly crap Labour leader. Which they can't be blamed for!
Mind you what else can she say to excuse the current polls? It wouldn't be a good look if she'd said: "If I'd won instead of getting 4pc we'd be on the verge of a landslide right now".
Not really true, unless you simply mean there are fewer safe seats than before.
Forgive my hyperbole, but yeah, I'm saying a large number of seats that look safe might not be because Brexit and for the reasons stated on the media and in these threads. ...and yeah, that could be all of them. A 75pc majority means nothing if *all* the people who voted for you last time are Leavers, and your party is Remain or uncertain. (and vice-versa.)
On the Jess Philips comments - weren’t we repeatedly told by Labour that dodgy foreign money had funded Brexit via Arron Banks - only for an investigation by the National Crime Agency to find there was zero evidence?
Without wishing to be rude, are you even eligible to vote in the UK?
Yes. 😀
His internet persona probably isn’t but he himself almost certainly is.
Has it? Have the Tories delivered all their election promises already? The “winning” party is the means, not the end.
Does any party ever ? Manifestos are statements of intent nothing more.
Jess talking about BXP ltd inability to tell where it's donations came from
Does any party ever ? Manifestos are statements of intent nothing more.
Like a referendum?
Phillips and Lucas made contributions in the house today that are both worth watching. And they’re both right.
Been speaking to people locally today who I thought might hold their noses and vote Labour to change our MP… and for now it’s a strong, “I can’t for Corbyn, it has to be LibDem”. Hmm…
Labour might well have pushed voters away at the local and European elections expecting them to come running back at a General Election (which describes me I suppose) but looks like it’s going to be tough.