[Closed] The New Pivot Firebird Range Tops out at Over £15k

Well at those prices I’ll take 2, so I can compare the live valve to the regular.

Somebody’s got to pay for Bernard Kerrs moaning after all.

I know I sound like a broken record, but how ****ing much???

if you’re making S-Works bike look cheap it’s time to review your prices!

These price tags clearly break the ludicrous barrier.
(Cheers to Lord Dark Helmet)

E Bike money!!

😧Wonder how much the 2022 Shuttle will be🤔

Pivot have always been expensive relative to the competition

I’m not usually one to indulge in ‘‘ow much?!’ Type convos, the amounts don’t bother me, but why is the top model £15.6k here, and $13.1k in the US? I get the VAT/sales tax stuff, but still. Would almost be cheaper to import it yourself, paying all the taxes and duty etc

Napkin calculations I get $13099 x.72 = £9451. Plus 20% VAT and 5% duty = £12500ish? (Assuming you could claim US sales tax back, but even if you couldn’t, you’d be quids in)

Edit- further research suggest full bike duty is 14%, so £13900 total. Though I believe Pivot ship the bikes as a frame and build kit to get round this (or, they did)

Wow that's some trade barrier / Tax / Import cost mark up.

How fing much ?????

I’m not usually one to indulge in ‘‘ow much?!’ Type convos, the amounts don’t bother me, but why is the top model £15.6k here, and $13.1k in the US? I get the VAT/sales tax stuff, but still. Would almost be cheaper to import it yourself, paying all the taxes and duty etc

You've missed to real 'issue', look at the Euro vs Pound prices.

The one at EUR11,999 and £12,600 - ought to convert to just over £10k... Serious UK premium.

Buy and Orange instead.
Support British manufacturing.
In fact buy 2 for that money.

Trade tariff is tue dumb-tax for anyone stupid enough to pay it.

Wow, more than half the line up at 5 figure prices. I'm not normally one for "how much" threads, but seriously?

like that Doomanic defeated the swear filter - probably because its the most justified use of it ever!!

Looks like they've really pushed the Fox Live wiring and integration on the firebird, but yeah, pricing is a bit high, what's the frame only pricing?

When people used to say 'you can buy a car for that', it was a comparison of a super high end bike and sh1tty car. Nowadays, £15k buys you something amazing in the 2-3 year old car market. Having said that, there's plenty of fun to be had on a cheap bike, whereas a cheap car is pretty miserable. Even then, a 'cheap' bike is still going to be £2k (if you can find one!).

I went for a ride on the motorbike this morning and was pondering just how much engineering and support goes into 2 wheels and an engine vs a bicycle. Then came home to this article. Crazy!

I am calling time on bike prices. Covid and Brexit and the laws of supply and demand seem to have sent things into the stratosphere.

Big kudos to Hope for bringing manufacturing back to the UK and minimizing indirect costs. Shipping to and from the far east with the environmental and financial costs involved doesn't seem to be adding much to the riding experience. Maybe we have reached a tipping point in global supply......

Has pivots exchange rate calculator broken.

They’ve gone too far now.

The main thing here is the realisation that you're not going to have any more fun on a £15k bike than a £5k bike.

You could probably go lower than that price too! I earn decent money, but no way am I spending more than £5k on a bike (that threshold will go up with inflation obvs)

I went for a ride on the motorbike this morning and was pondering just how much engineering and support goes into 2 wheels and an engine vs a bicycle. Then came home to this article. Crazy!

In about half an hour, my neighbour is about to come home a (admittedly decade old) Triumph. The rear swing arm is basically box section with a hole in it for the axle. The finishing gear is either plastic, or bulky and cheap looking to eyes used to admiring high end mtbs.

Conversely, have a mate with more money than sense with some sort of limited edition Daytona street legal track bike which I think was well north of £20k, and that is a beauty to look at.

£6,800 for the 'entry level'? Maybe it's about time we stopped slagging S-Works, Santa Cruz and Yeti for their prices? (Cue 2022MY price hikes on all three...)

Well, either Pivot are happy to basically pull out of the UK via pricing, only selling very low volumes in comparison to their competitors.

Or Pivot think that the mtb price points for more desirable brands has now crept up to the 7-15k range and they think enough people in the UK will pay (or finance) the new going rate. Not sure which.

Cant see why I wouldn't just buy one on holiday though. Premium brands love to go above and beyond on their warranty after all.

Cant see why I wouldn’t just buy one on holiday though. Premium brands love to go above and beyond on their warranty after all.

They’d point you to the UK disti, upgrade, who seem to want to do everything in their power not to be helpful, IME.

£6800 was their top of the line, XX1 12speed, carbon everything 23lb FS XC bike, in 2017 (so pre AXS and live valve).

Well, either Pivot are happy to basically pull out of the UK via pricing, only selling very low volumes in comparison to their competitors.

if their competitors are all sold out, the pricing is kinda irrelevent. I recon they're pricing based on the fact that people want 'a bike' and will be willing to pay mid-range money to get a low-end bike. Some will, some won't, but worse case they can whack them in a sale and they'll look really good value (based on the discount size)

This is mental.
I thought I was mad buying and HB.160 when they were £5500, but the level of kit you got was better than most "boutique" brands at the time, and not far off some direct sales bikes.

Now, you'd be lucky to get NX level Santa Cruz shite (probably... CBA to look).

And Orange weren't even on the short, short list. Neither the bike one, nor the skeletons ****ing in a biscuit tin one.