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Haha I was going to put money on Weeksy being back after only one day, there is no way you were ever going to take 7 days off Steve 😉
Only thing with Yorkshire is its quite short, so would want 2 laps at least really, by that point you're into 450m of climbing which is a fair lump for those who don't climb!
Any how should be fun where ever we choose and what do I know?
@IvanDobski – I haven’t received an invite yet
Of course not - if he doesn't invite the hounds then the hares win! 🙂
@slowpuncheur - you'll need to follow me on zwift first then I'll be able to invite you.
Course-wise I reckon stick with watopia, it'll be busy but we'll be in small enough groups that it won't be too bad. Also, when you do a h&h on a lapped course you can work out the rate of closure too easily, if the hounds have taken 4 minutes from 6 in lap one then you know you're getting caught. On a single lap it's harder to judge so as a hare you keep pushing a bit more.
Come on Weeksy, you know you want to do it - think of it as tapering if that helps. ..
Phil56 - you've already accepted by the look of it, assuming you're "Phil Phil56" on zwift which seems a safe bet!
Oh - OK, I must be having a senior moment!
On the companion App it's just showing Thursday's TTT in my upcoming events
sorted - I found the invite in 'notifications', accepted again and now it's showing up in the companion app.
Went out and reprofiled the local jump area, well, only one of them...
not sure how much 'riding' it's classed as, but we had a laugh instead of Zwifting 🙂
^^^^that looks fun!
weeksy - you could always join as a hare tomorrow - it'd be like a recovery session 🙂
New version of the companion app due out today will give the option to create private meet-ups meaning that you only get to see he riders that are part of your meet-up, Sounds great for STW rides.
Sounds good hope it will be available for tomorrow. Solves loads of problems!
Hi Guys
Thanks for the invite for tomorrow but unfortunately it’s too early for me has on my way home from work but open to any ride starting about 20.00.
Seems like we're in luck with the update dropping in time for tonights meet-up.
@IvanDobski are you able to update the meetup to select the view only meetup option?
ah... so we only see each other? cool..
DrP
that's excellent news as that opens up some options for our future events for sure.
Can't at the minute but I'll try and sort it when I get back in.
Thanks for the invite, I've signed up as a Hare 🙂 should be fun
as long as everyone remembers to update in good time before the event 😂Seems like we’re in luck with the update dropping in time for tonights meet-up.
Well I've ended up in the office this week so I'll have a commute in my legs tonight as well. Will have to see how that goes! Still it'll give me a clue as to how bad Thursday will be by the time I've got a few more days in too.
@slowpuncheur - sorted, you should have an invite.
We're now in "meet-up only" mode so the only people we'll see on the road will be our lot so there goes my idea of the hares jumping from draft to draft...
For the purposes of easy identification I think different jerseys and user names will still help so (STW Hare) or STW (Hound) in the user name as appropriate and Hares in the basic grey Zwift jersey and Hounds in the, now traditional, bumblebee ensemble.
If the hares are caught before 16km/10miles then we'll regroup for a steady run in to a sprint finish.
If the hares aren't caught at all then they can go for individual glory in a sprint.
If the hounds do catch the hares at some point after 16km they still need to get someone over the line first so if a hare can hang on and win the sprint then the hares still win...
That should cover most things, I'm sure we'll end-up cuffing it anyway!
Should be all set as a hare, hoping this earns me enough drops for my first frame upgrade.
If the hares are caught before 16km
I like your optimism Ivan but I think if we've closed 6 minutes in 16k we need to consider why we've not turned pro.
Still it'll be a challenge.
I think it would have to be pretty hilly and pretty intense, but i guess it depends how the Hares play it, if they stay as a group and ride as the slowest man, then maybe... but of course that depends how the Hounds play it and whether the strongest climber goes off in the attack or waits for the rest..
I'll be curious to know the end results etc
Weeksy + Fanview + Twitch = Profit?
Haha weeksy commentary - I doubt it will be PG friendly!
Actually...could be a bit of fun to stream!!!
DrP
Hi Ivan just followed you, could I get an invite pls?
Invite sent Garry.
How long is this course?
6 minutes is a big time to close on anything shorter than 40km .. 6minutes!!
Are we going to try and use the discord channel to share encouragement/hurl abuse?
Right... I'm actually setting up streaming/screen broadcast in the ipad!!!!
Set up via youtube, but needs 24hrs to approve..
Twitch set up and instant, but connection/issues...
If I can get screen broadcasting set up, then I'll post a link and people can watch!!! 😀 LOLZ!!
DrP
I'll give it a watch!
Thanks @IvanDobski. What are the numbers like? I'm floating between Hare and Hound (C nearly B). Just let me know what works best for numbers.
Thks Ivan
6 minutes is a big time to close on anything shorter than 40km .
You're in luck. 39.8km according to zwift insider.
I did mean to write 45km .. 6 minutes😬
Ok ..10 min at 3.6w/kg ...
Then when warmed up ... Hammer down and try hold it till gap closes!
Getting geeky about it on bestbikeslpit.
If I average 237 watt a C rider then I will complete the course in 55 mins.
If I up my average power to 320 W then I would complete it in 49 mins and 14 seconds so 6 minutes would appear to be a reasonable marker!
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Getting geeky about it on bestbikeslpit.If I average 237 watt a C rider then I will complete the course in 55 mins.
If I up my average power to 320 W then I would complete it in 49 mins and 14 seconds so 6 minutes would appear to be a reasonable marker!
HA HA! I seem to be lucky to hold 175W at the moment - so I'll be caught then.
Legs still tired from a 10km run on Sunday when I knocked quite a chunk of my PB, so it'll be interesting.
I don't see it being too much of a problem if there are splinter groups within the hares/hounds - it'll just mean the hounds will have multiple targets to catch & the hares will have multiple opportunities to stay ahead....
Hmm... RE streaming.. on IOS it seems i can broadcast my home screen live, but as soon as i open an app (I.e. Zwift) it gets unhappy... will see what I can do..
DrP
If I up my average power to 320 W then I would complete
My attempt at heart failure in less than
49 mins and 14 seconds
My attempt at heart failure in less than
That based on my weight. Guessing you weigh a lot less so a lot less power required for similar times.
The hounds only have one target - whichever hare is the furthest in front.
I'm sorely tempted to join in this one but it's sooo nice outside...
I'll be in for a group ride if there's one on Saturday though as the forecast really doesn't look very inviting up here.
Guessing you weigh a lot less so a lot less power required for similar times.
Not sure on the first bit but, I'm fairly tall at 6'4" so not very aero and on a flat course w/kg is a bit of a distraction.
Weight alone, at 300W I'd need to weigh 50kg less to make 6 min at the same W based on Geekery
It'll be fun anyhow, and if I break myself this evening it's a good excuse for the TTT 😉
237 watt will complete the course in 55 mins.
320 W would complete it in 49 mins and 14 seconds
80w increase to close the 6 mins😟
I not expect hounds pushing 80w more than comparable weight hare ... I see front group of hares finishing a good 2 minutes ahead.
So far we've got 28 riders but due to a combination of some people not having updated their names and some names being too long for the companion app to display them I've no idea how many hounds there are.
There's at least one hound though so that's the main thing.
And discord voice channels for each team - no cheating and listening in...(if there is only one hound you prob don't need to bother with discord!)
How do we get the discord channel? Who is setting them up?
Ok ignore that I am on it!
I've set them up, click on the link and sign into the appropriate voice channel - hares or hound and then go into settings and set it to push to talk.
If you don't set it to push to talk everyone will hear you panting and wheezing and that'll only get worse once we start riding.
(Ideally the panting and wheezing is going to be pay-walled onto our premium content patreon which DrP's setting up now I believe so we don't want to just give it away.)
I hope there more than me chasing the hares😟
If there isn't it'll be this post which is to blame!
"Ok ..10 min at 3.6w/kg …
Then when warmed up … Hammer down and try hold it till gap closes"
If you'd said "Ok ..10 min at 3.6w/kg … then settle down to 3w/kg for the chase" you might have had more help!
My trainer is pissing about at the moment so back to trying to fix it tonight so won't make it after all.
I will ride hound but tbh not up for a deep ftp effort - I can drive the flats but you will drop me on any real climb if you go hard (96 kg). That's OK - I'll hang on as long as I can.
Is it this one - says 30 km here?
https://zwiftinsider.com/road-to-ruins/
I hope there more than me chasing the hares😟
I'll be with you on the start line at least
Is it this one – says 30 km here
Oh drat, I had it confused with Thursday. Yeah that's tonight I think.
I may have be over selling my ability then .. I just thinking how most Hare & Hound races go.
So we have to make up 6 mins in just 30k? That's way more than 10%!!!
Also signed up as Hound although 3.6W/Kg is about my 60 minute limit.
so are we riding for 60 mins or 30k? big difference!
Hound here.. will change my name in app..
DrP
We're riding the distance not the time - the time thing comes from me saying that Zwift Insider said a race lap of this course takes roughly an hour so setting an approx 10% headstart.
I've no idea how realistic this headstart is, I think it'll be relatively close given the hills but there's only one way to find out! Then next time we can say 5% headstart or whatever based on what happens tonight.
60 mins or 30k? big difference!
Hopefully about 6 mins!
Seems sensible Ivan, I mean the worst that can happen is the hounds all bury ourselves and that you have to pull the whole way round on Thursday. That'll teach you.
Shall we make it 4 mins then? It is a 18 mile course.
Just looked at my Strava stats from the only ride I've done on this course, 30.45K in 1hr 06min (I think there's a little ride to the start). There's a couple of big hills in it IIRC. Av speed was 27.4kph. Was riding alone. Av Watts 183 (FTP then was 207 and I'm 80kg).
Gutted but can’t make this now but the timing today has ended up not working.
Let's split the difference and go for 5 then, makes the timing a bit "neater" as well.
Also signed up as Hound although 3.6W/Kg is about my 60 minute limit.
- Me too, about 3.5kg/W. (Southside Johnny)
Let’s split the difference and go for 5 then, makes the timing a bit “neater” as well.
- Good plan, it's a bit of an experiment so we just don't know how it'll work out.
Bah got to do a call at 6 now. That’s 2 I’ve missed because of bloody work. I really like the idea of these so hope I can join the next one.. Defo a hare tho!
5 minutes sounds like a good place to start.
A couple of people have said they're on the cusp of C and B - if that's the case I'd suggest they ride with the Hares - the Hounds are going to have to go at a very strong B pace to have a chance of 'jugged hare' for supper!
What route is it?
Road to Ruins - it seemed appropriate.
I'm in NY if anyone wants a warm up?
DrP
Do the hounds join at same time - and just wait on line 5 mins?
Warming up now and JOIN MEETUP icon there ..
Yeah join and wait 5 minutes
Zwift dumped me, at the world change I think as the event started.
I'll make a solo effort so let me know what time I had to beat for first and last hare!
51.17
Ughh that hurt.
I liked that route.
Must try harder
that was great!
hard.. but great!
I'm going to see if I can run zwift on my laptop (Bluetooth connection ) so we genuinely can stream these events!
wonder if I can stream both the screen AND me sweating away, scratching my balls.....?!
thanks for organising ivan! pushed my ftp up...
DrP
That was tough - first hare home in 55.00.........but 2 hounds went past me (at warp speed ☺)!
Realised that a 38T 1x set up is not ideal, couldn't keep up with the group on the downs and once you're dropped then its game over.