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Shimano HG50, 11-36, 10 speed cassette
Shimano SLX, Shadow Plus
Shimano Deore, 10 speed shifter
the above was removed from a 2016 Trek Remedy 7 , all parts were working with no problems, I swapped them over to a 2003 Rocky Mountain Blizzard HT that I have built up....no matter what I try and do the chain just won't move down to the smallest sprocket (it will move down if the gear cable is slackened off...)and yes I have looked at the stop screws and adjusted them, but still no go, even the gear changing is hit and miss.
I even swapped this over to my 2009 Commencal Meta 55 and the same thing is apparent, I swapped the commie 9 speed system over to the Rocky Mountain and all worked fine and dandy....as it did whilst on the commie..
am I missing something along the way? got my scratching my head here....LOL...
Has the rear mech got this on?
https://www.evanscycles.com/shimano-m8000-rear-derailleur-bracket-unit-for-normal-hangers-EV267845
Cables & outers clean and running free (and long enough not to have sharp bends) ?
Cable correctly clamped in the mech ?
Bent hanger ?
(Addit: 10sp cassette needs a spacer behind it, too)
FFS......is nowt simple nowadays......LOL...
all cables and outers are brand new, looks like I will need to purchase a spacer and a bracket.......or stick to a bloody 9 speed system.....LMAO...
cheers for the replies.... much appreciated.... 🙂
thought the spacer was just for coming from an 11 spd down to a 10 spd???
It's definitely a 10 speed mech, yeah?
(Addit: 10sp cassette needs a spacer behind it, too)
No, it doesn't.
(Addit: 10sp cassette needs a spacer behind it, too)
No, it doesn’t
Oh, err, yeah - that's road ones isn't it ?
it's done my head in for sure....silly of me thinking it would just be a simple case of fitting and setting up and bob's yer uncle.....
The 9 speed parts worked fine, no hassles at all..... I know that the 10 speed parts came of a friends bike and they had very light use....10 speed chain was bought brand new..
methinks I'll stick to 9 speed.... 🙂
I went from 3x9 to 1x10 and now back to 3x9 as I got a new frame. Indexing the gears was a PITA, I later found out that this was because the hanger wasn't aligned. I think alignment is more critical on 10 speed (and even more so on 11). I would say (and I apologise if I'm teaching you to suck eggs) if the upper and lower limits are set you shoud leave the gear cable unattached and see if you can shift through the gears cleanly just by moving the derailleur by hand. If it won't shift cleanly, the hanger is probably out of whack. Only when it's shifting cleanly do you attach the gear cable, if you then get problems it's most likely cable tension.
Once aligned, my 10 speed system was a doddle to set up.
I am sure that the chain was on the smallest cog before the cable was attached, I triple checked both upper/lower limit screws, the high limit screw made no viable adjustment difference to the deraileur, I was able to move the deraileur by hand up to the lowest cog....no problems there.
I nipped up the gear cable (without adding tension to it before tightening up with the pinch plate), and that is when the chain was rattling and jumped down to the next largest cog.
I may try adding a few links back to the chain to see if that will ease some tension from the deraileur...or it could be that the deraileur is goosed.....
Check hanger alignment.
Then adjust B tension screw - it can be very finicky on 10 speed.
hangar alignment is spot on, no issues with a 9 speed system when I fitted the parts to the steel hard tail for testing....
If it drops onto 11T sprocket with the cable disconnected then it’s not limits as you say and points toward either a gummy cable, or simply set up with too much cable tension.
Just to update my earlier post... there are two ways of mountain a rear mech. "Direct mount" which I think your 2016 Trek Remedy will use, and the old way, which I think your 2003 Rocky Mountain will use.
The bracket in my link above is an adapter that usually comes with a rear mech. I suspect most people don't use them so there should be a few knocking around cheap 2nd hand.
i suspect you've got a Direct Mount mech on a standard mount, which is why it doesn't work
The brakcet is in the pic on the left
So, what you are saying is that my 2009 9 speed xt mech is a standard mount and thats why it works fine on the steel ht?
The Slx mech is a shadow mech and not a shadow plus that I originally stated in my initial post......
why oh why did Shimano go and **** around with a design that has been around since the early 1950's.....LOL... my head is fit to burst with all the info that I have been trying to absorb on the subject..... I doubt very much that Rocky Mountain will have manufactured a mech hanger for use with the new DRD mechs for a 2003 model frame.
so, what are my options on trying to setup a 1x10 on the old steel HT......do Shimano still manufacture standard mount 10 spd rear deraileurs?, should I go to more expense and move over to SRAM parts (as I believe they haven't adopted the new DRD system?), or should I stick with tried and tested 9 speed parts (no doubt Shimano have buggered about with that system as well.....LOL) decisions ,decisions..... :-O
is this what I need to get things working??? https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spares/shimano-slx-rdm670-bracket-axle-unit-normal-type-y50y98010/
Wouldn't the mech have come with that extra "link" as standard?
My SLX (11spd) did? I assumed they all come with it and you take it off if not needed?
I'm an SRAM guy so this was all new to me also when the slx mech arrived....
OP said the derailleur was removed from a bike, so probably it wasn't supplied with the part in question.
Yeah that looks like what you need
yeah... SUCCESS .....
just to let ya know that I have now got the 1x10 system up and running, turned out to be a spacer on the deraileur axle bolt was refitted to the wrong side of the mounting bracket (was like that when I purchased the unit from a mate of mine and he never informed me), I only discovered the error at 4.30am this morning... sitting at my computer looking at a schematic of the deraileur and checking that all things were in the correct place on the actual unit, all working fine and dandy.....thanks for all the help and advice, it's very much appreciated 🙂
cheers
Davy
Well done fella... great work.
Yay, success! Well do for not giving up.
the finished steed..
Where? Lol
bloody picture keeps dropping from my post.....LOL
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zVWlPFLnf4cmfwbTTRUOKgGG5i7ep5hz/view?usp=sharing