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Is that true? If your rear swing arm breaks on a 26'er and its out of warranty?
Looks after its workers. How do you know this, do you or a good friend work there?
Cos they are the best do it all trail bike out there, regardless of price, a loyal company that looks after British workers...but most importantly they are very good bikes, solid and reliable. Ain't that right ton!
yeah right..... 😆
Because Hora has decided he is going to be an Orange 5 Owner shortly? Worst piece of marketing ever 😀
Adey!!!!!! You'll be missed Sat. Its not a five BTW 😉
So, if I buy one second hand and relatively cheap, don't care about the weight as I already ride a bit of a tank, don't give a monkeys about the looks, and am thick skinned enough not to care about the ribbing I'll get, then it's a good bike?
Yes, I would add that having had mine for a month or two now it climbs much better than most of the fat knackers you see riding them would have you believe.
orange have missed several tricks in terms of ideas they have worked on and could move it up in terms of manufacturing....they sell shedloads though as the company that heat treats their frames will attest to has a good number of frames going through it a month....why change a formula that makes money
Tidy looking 2008 16" on the classified for £900 at the moment.
Tidy looking raw 2012 frame too --->
Is that true? If your rear swing arm breaks on a 26'er and its out of warranty?
It was on another of the other Five threads on here of late. Someone contacted Orange recently for a replacement 26" swingarm to be told none available out of warranty.
Except it's been owned by LukeB, which means it'll explode into a million pieces shortly.
Tomorrows prices for yesterday's technology unfortunately'. I'd have one given happily but paying that much for a prophet which you can get for buttons is bonkers. I loved my prophet from 04 and the funny thing was that it took orange years a d years to improve on it, and even then it was only by putting a bolt through rear axle on, no advantage having a tapered head tube over a inch and a half one!
Oh the stigma, and in 95% of occasions its so true!
Can someone verify? Basically means secondhand fives arent worth much then. Like a lapierre I wouldnt spend 700+ on a gamble/possibly junked. Still you could fit a 29'er arm or weld it?
So many [i]ugly[/i] comments, do find it bizarre. Never seen a comment about a 5 Spot or Nicolai being ugly, is it just me?
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More ugly and agricultural looking?
not ugly at all.......just shyte company to deal with, and to55pots who ride em telling us how good they are being made in Yorkshire (my ar5e) and all that.......;o)
hora - MemberCan someone verify? Basically means secondhand fives arent worth much then.
There's nothing stopping Orange stamping up some more Five 26er parts, though they might choose not to. Mainframes will be trickier, with the imported toptube, though. (and to be fair mostly it's front triangles that crack on the Five- BB shell and shock mounts)
The folded-sheet-alu look is an acquired taste, but more agricultural than that Nicolai? No.
Sure, but aesthetically... That nicolai will most likely have lovely welds and excellent finish. My evo looks like it was welded by the YTS boy then painted in the dark. it's all functional enough but if I'd paid £2300 for it I'd have shit a brick.
Can someone verify? Basically means secondhand fives arent worth much then. Like a lapierre I wouldnt spend 700+ on a gamble/possibly junked. Still you could fit a 29'er arm or weld it?
Read all about it here:
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/next-trail-bike26-or-275#post-5113281
not ugly at all.......just shyte company to deal with, and to55pots who ride em telling us how good they are being made in Yorkshire (my ar5e) and all that.......;o)
Aye but not everything made in yorksire is shyte
not everything supposed to be made in Yorkshire, is made in Yorkshire either.
not everything supposed to be made in Yorkshire, is made in Yorkshire either.
They're quite open that their non-FS frames aren't made in Yorkshire (or the UK, for that matter). Are you suggesting the FS frames aren't either?
no, why?
ton - Member
not everything supposed to be made in Yorkshire, is made in Yorkshire either.POSTED 8 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
Yep, definitely made in Yorkshire! Infact a lot of parts made in hudds..
You seem very bitter tony pal.. I really hope you are ok. 😉
Huddersfield. Really which bits??
no, why?
The implications of the statement "not everything supposed to be made in Yorkshire, is made in Yorkshire either" in the context of a thread about Orange bikes?
ratherbeintobago, it does read like that, but it was not meant to.
sorry if it came over wrong.
How many other frames if you break them out of warranty can you buy spare swingarms for?
Name them please?
sorry if it came over wrong.
Nothing to apologise for. Were you referring to Yorkshire Tea? 😛
How many other frames if you break them out of warranty can you buy spare swingarms for?
Name them please?
Cotic Hemlock? Admittedly quite a few broke!
Regards Nicolai & Turner/Orange comparisons: you are confusing industrial and agricultural....
HTH.
😉
shag, I am very good, thanks for asking.
Rik - MemberHow many other frames if you break them out of warranty can you buy spare swingarms for?
Name them please?
I've had a swingarm and rocker for my Hemlock, both bought after it was out of production, and I never had a warranty. Though I didn't have to buy them, Cotic supplied them for free, so maybe that won't satisfy you 😉
Hmm what else. Specialized, it's not normally a concern- lifetime warranty, you either get the replacement part or a modern equivalent replacement frame. Marin, you can buy a swingarm for a Wolfridge no bother. Trek certainly do it for at least some models (friend did it for a Fuel). Santa Cruz do it too (and have a better warranty period in the first place)
TBH the only other brand I can think of that doesn't do this for recent models is Lapierre and, well, who wants lapierre for their benchmark?
Firstly, I'll admit I've never ridden a Five, so I can't comment on the relative rides, but this debate reminds me of an Orange Five predecessor, the similarly popular, loved, hated, and stereotyped Marin single pivots, of which I had a Rift Zone before the swingarms became less chunky.
I wonder what would have happened if Marin had stayed single pivot like Orange did. Obviously travel and burliness have increased since in what is regarded as a trail bike, but they had 5"+ models too at the time and were cheaper, better specced, better looking, and noted for their customer service and tailored approach to the desires of the UK market. It's a shame they appear to have made all the wrong decisions since their heyday, because if you take overpricing and ugliness out of the Orange offering, you'd apparently have a stonking product.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Should that have been followed by "But if it does break, replace it with another?" That sounds a bit bonkers unless the replacement is free on warranty.
Dyson Airblade urinal - such a comical mental picture!
Hmm what else. Specialized, it's not normally a concern- lifetime warranty, you either get the replacement part or a modern equivalent replacement frame.
Sometimes, there was a ton of controversy here though, loads of threads popping up like:
http://forums.mtbr.com/specialized/lifetime-frame-warranty-does-not-cover-rear-triangle-662014.html
Don't think the Hemlock debacle can be classed as a great example personally. It's more like a free factory recall.
Ah good old Specialized. The heel of my Spesh BG Sports seperated at the heel within a year on two pairs. both times I was told 'no, because you've used them'. Used them? 'Yes they have obviously been used'. (c24 times). The secondtime (less wear) I gave up and never bought another Specialized product.
They are selective.
"Warranty doesn't cover paint"- Funnily Turners do and they upgrade you too.
Are they overpriced? Handmade frame and seems to me similar spec to comparable bikes.
if it was made in the USA the 5 would be raved about.
sometimes simple is best less to maintain = more time riding
Toasty - MemberDon't think the Hemlock debacle can be classed as a great example personally. It's more like a free factory recall.
It's a fair point 😆 Though, I couldn't say mine broke prematurely tbh, the bike got used way outwith its remit and still it lasted well.
supercarp - Member
Are they overpriced?
is the pope catholic..... 😆
Londonerinoz - the replacement frame was 1/2 price so £800 (including upgrade to Kashima shock and Maxle rear end). I might have got a bit more by selling it on brand new, but not enough to buy a Santa Cruz or equivalent. Also, I really like the way it rides, saw no point in changing it and they'd beefed up the areas it cracked.
Having said that, I'm looking at getting a new frame/bike soon and it won't be a Five, but that's simply because I've been riding them for 5 years and fancy a change.
Just got one and it's the best bike I've owned. Astonishingly versatile, and fantastic fun too. Ridden it for around 50 hours and it's been faultless on everything from 40-mile Pennine xc loops through to alpine-style techie descents and rough-as-you-like rock gardens. It's super-smooth and perfectly balanced, and there's nothing to go wrong on it - plus it has a 3-year warranty anyway. Perfect for the UK and riding all winter. Would be fine in the Alps with some 160mm forks. Get the right set-up and I don't think there's a better 140mm trail bike out there (and Dirt mag has been saying this for years). The haters are generally talking b*llocks, or they spend way too much time looking at their bikes, not riding them.
wl, hopefully you wont have any issues when it breaks...... 😀
Overpriced? Two examples - Nukeproof Mega AM and TR and £1300/£1250. As far as I'm aware these are knocked out in huge numbers in a factory by a machine. Five, for a couple of hundred quid more are made in much smaller numbers by northern monkeys in an industrial unit down the road from my house. A couple of hundred quid more for a Five seems pretty reasonable to me.
Another? Cotic's Rocket. Isn't that ~£Five? And thats made in the far east out of pig iron?
Five overpriced? I don't think so...
DaveyBoy - agree. As a frame they're about on the money. Just not sure the complete builds are. They do make the frames jobbed out in the Far East look expensive.
With regards to looks, I don't like the Turners with DW links because they look like a cut and shut of two totally different bikes. The Nic is nice though. And that Five doesn't look too shabby...I just don't like the way they ride.
Interesting to hear peop say that Orange are bad to deal with because I was always under the impression that they were pretty good.
ton - Member
wl, hopefully you wont have any issues when it breaks
Come on Ton, lay your cards on the table and tell us why you really hate Orange. Did some one that works for the company run of with your wife or nick your chips?
Suprised about the poor customer service comments, they've always been very friendly and helpful with me when ever I've had the need to contact them.
Come on Ton, lay your cards on the table and tell us why you really hate Orange. Did some one that works for the company run of with your wife or nick your chips?
pmsl, seriously............ 😆