[Closed] Which Turner would you rather ride around the Peak District?

The Czar is fine! Much tougher than it looks. mine gets regular peaks, wales and alps abuse.

Interesting feedback thanks. Curious as to what it would be like heading downhill as that's where my focus is. Not going to make it easier to pick if we add a third bike to the list but the idea of a really light bike does appeal.

Anthea Turner

Sultan I reckon, although both would be fun I'm sure.

Was gonna say Anthea, but it appears this is a serious thread. Sorry!
Edit: Too slow.

Brian?

Rocky trails in the peaks Sultan just for the big wheels. Think the Czar geometry is similar to the Sultan though, same head angle at least. Would love one built up 26-27lbs as a second bike, not going to happen though.

Coming from the utterly bomb proof 6pack would you find a czar a bit, well wibbly??
Personally, it would be the burner. Or a pivot 😉

Each time the conversation comes back to the 6 pack, I do find myself questioning why I'm even looking at other bikes. Maybe it's due to some people pulling away from me on the climbs. Maybe I need to stop riding on the coat-tails of last year's fitness and get some miles in.

The burner does look fun, but Ian does pretty well on his sultan.

How's the pivot compared to the 5 spot? (other than the obvious answer, which you'll never escape from).

The fighting Temarare?

I've got a Czar built up super light as a race bike. While I'm constantly amazed at what it can do (technical climbing is amazing)I would have to say if your focus is down orientated I would go for a Burner. Even more so when Turner bring out a carbon Burner. They must,surely!

Burner, better geometry than the Sultan.

Burner. Well, That's what I'd have gone for if I hadn't been seduced by carbon and my Pivot Mach 6. Would highly recommend looking at one of those too. What a superb bike it is.

Your 6 pack is a heavy old beast so it is a choice between not spending money and getting fitter, or spending money on something lighter with better sized wheels 😉 I think the Czar is a bit too far in the other direction for you from what you currently ride.

Kathleen. c Romancing The Stone era

Greg. Do I win £5?

Burner for me. First 650b after several 5 spots.
Climbs very well goes down great
30lbs with XT build and pikes 🙂

Its all in the angles!
The pivot is much slacker than the 5spot. The BB is lower, or the pivot sits lower in its travel. I pedal strike way more than I did.
Clmbing is similar I think. There has been stuff I've wondered how I've got up it but that could be anything. Tyres, strength on the day.. Dumb luck!
We'll do swapsies next time.
I do have to say though I prefer the DW link to the 4 bar..!

Interested in this conversation as I have an older Turner RFX that I love but its got a few issues such as -
Running a 50mm stem on it gives quite a short reach
Can't run a dropper post
restricted to straight steerer forks.

Have Ummed and ahhed about the mk8 Liteville frame in the classifieds but can't seem to commit to anything else as the RFX rides so well (apart from the above). Hence very interested to see what you choose to replace your six pack with as I also ride in the Peak District / Lakes / N. Wales.

I can heartily recommend the Burner. Climbs well, descends well and induces nice big grins. Much better with a CCDB-inline though.

Why not think about the Flux? 120mm travel and 650b, it's a proper peaks machine!

Well it's either me or my brother.

Most people in the past would have chosen my brother but I'm in pretty good shape at the moment so quite fancy my chances.

I own a Czar and a Flux.

I purchased the Flux 27.5 this reason, the Czar is capable but err's towards something you don't want to trash, though you could get around the Peak no problem.

But I use mine for 90% of local rides, - less technical, less rocky but fast long distance work.

The Flux is not heavy at all so makes a great mid-trail-xc bike. In RAW!

You are welcome if not too far away (I'm Notts) - between myself and GF - we have a Med & Large Czar and a Med & Large Flux if you wan to try them.

The FLUX is closer to the Czar than the Burner.

Tina Turner in her current years

Rone, I'm in Nottingham as well (j26) so might well take you up on that offer.

Hijacking this thread again does anyone know what was the latest year that Turner produced a 26" Burner type bike?

I really like my Sultan after having ridden 5 Spots for many years. It just feels more capable both up and down.

Having said that, the King khan would be my bike of choice with a stealth granny fitted! 😀

I have a 2004 burner, believe that was the last year for the 26"
Best handling bike I have had by far.
Toying with either a Burner 650b or Sultan upgrade?

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Hi stevet1 I have a 2013 burner that was the 20th anniversary model so I guess the last burner was 1993 /94
I think the 5 spot came out in about 2003 I had 2005 version imported from the states it was quite an early frame.

Back to the new Burner I think the angles are good but it also has a pretty low bb. It's a good inch longer on the rear stays an longer wheel base than the 2012 5 spot I had. It doesn't feel long or awkward just fast!
Also got a cane creek db on it. It's a great shock works well with the pikes.

Let me know onza.

Let me know onza.

Thanks. Could work well as being 5'10" I fall into that classic trap of being between sizes on a Turner.

Rone - out of interest how tall is the owner of the large Czar/what length stem/width bars etc.

I so want a Czar but I'm 6' and the geo I had thought the geo I wanted was on the XL which too big for standover. Now I wonder if the large is big enough if I run a 100mm stem and wide bars (what I have on my 26" Flux)

at 6' on the Czar you'd want a L. Mines an XL but I'm 6'3 and run a 90mm stem and 120mm fork.

Like what has been said above, the Czar is a technical climber and decender but if you're coming from a burly big then could be a little fragile maybe.

Onza + Adsh

I'm a tiny amount under 6ft and the Czar is perfect for me. The seat tube drops back so the higher you lift it the more the VTT length lengthens. This allows the bike to have short stays and keeps it very fast in corners.

GF is 5ft 9 and runs a Med Czar.

At 5ft 10 you would want the large Czar. No question. I've another friend at 5ft 9 and he went for the Med but he was debating the large.

I did sit on an XL Czar and it seemed quite a lot bigger, wouldn't have been happy with that. I'm running an Enve sweep at 760mm (IIRC) and a 90mm stem. Other spec is xx1(36 tooth, but no higher as it would catch the swing arm.) I would also recommend a Chris King PF30, my others lasted 600 miles - the king is on 3000 miles now, so justified!

There almost needs to be a size in between the XL/L Czar. However it is the most comfortable bike I've ever owned.

The Flux 27.5 is very different (in bike land) feels larger and more hefty. But I ride the Czar a lot more so feel better on it. I wish the Flux was actually a 29er to be honest, and *maybe* back to 100mm but everyone has their picky stuff.

Other useless Czar info: Turner have just updated the lower pivot bushes (which they sent me) and have improved the small bump response as well as removing some minor creaking due to slightly out of tolerance fit. I'm sure these will be on the new ones.

My Bushes have done 5500 miles now and have worn a bit, but still generally okay but one or two may need replacing! Compare that with bearings.

There was a 2nd hand orange Czar in at Sherwood Pines Cycles. Nice example, but made-up with parts that I wouldn't pick to be honest but worth a look. It doesn't look much used.

The new colour looks to be blue which I think replaces the Orange, as it didn't sell as much. GF has the orange, but I have the black with the semi-clear coat; so you see the natural make-up of the carbon which I love.

The bikes are fast, I've knocked out 16-18mphs on big rides (albeit not super hilly or technical) but the ability to jump from a bit of road to off-road and still keep it steaming is immense! You'll find yourself knocking out easy 14mphs!

On the FLUX...

I took the Flux to Dartmoor at the weekend, and enjoyed the climbs and the descents - it did feel harder to get up (maybe because of the 2.4 tyre) - and I struggled with the lofting the wheel for some reason. Anyway maybe this is a by-product of swapping between bikes. The RAW is great but not for everyone!

I've owned two previous Flux's (DW and Horst) both super bikes. The only issue is that neither the Flux 27.5 or the Czar quite fits the same bracket. I would say the Czar is closer to the Flux 26 in terms of what I like in a bike. But I would've happily (and did) take the Flux to the Peak. And I have taken the Czar once but I think it's more at home dealing with less boulder strewn tracks.

Pick the bike that suits the majority of your riding. You can always have a second set of wheels/tyres to make it more 'Peak' capable.

I think I'm guilty of internet perfection phobia.

I run a 80mm stem and 710mm bars on my Spearfish with 620mm ETT. The Czar ETT is 605 so with a 90mm stem and same bars I would be 5mm shorter - probably not an issue! Likewise on reach about 7mm.

Czar has shorter wheelbase but longer chainstays. I think it's too similar to the 'fish to run both but I am selling a lot of frames and a little devil is perched on my shoulder.........

Well if it helps I owned a fish before this as an inbetween bike. GF still has hers.

Which 'fish are we talking? The Split pivot or >2013? As I thought the >2013 fish's stays were longer. 455 v 442mm on the Czar.

I absolutely agree; my 2013 Spearfish was a great bike but the suspension just doesn't have the finesse of the Czar. But they are similar intentions. To be fair what I paid for my 2013 'fish was almost half the cost of a Czar frame.

If you're on the split pivot 'fish then yeah I can see that Salsa did a very similar thing!

Split pivot - in a way the suspension seems better for what I want (long distance) as it seems even less bob prone than the Flux.

Nice. Would've liked to ride one of those myself!

Did you go Carbon?

Also, who sells them now? I thought they went distributor-less?