[i]backing off or breaking would've made it MUCH safer for YOU.[/i]
It couldn't have been any safer for me than I made it. I'm here, typing this and not squashed under a massive trailer. It's that binary.
Maybe you're not, but there always seems to be someone who comes out with "oh could've done this better than you" on these threads. And yep, there are definitely times when I've taken the risky option. But not this one.
[i]Are you taking bets?[/i]
A mysterious 'like' from "Bez" 😉
So I can come back in a week or so and check my bet is safe 😉
[quote=Daffy ]Yes - the overtake shouldn't have happened, but once you're in the middle of it (i.e. as soon as you're aware of the overtake and the oncoming car, backing off or breaking would've made it MUCH safer for YOU.
The thing is, if I understand correctly that's what he did do. Meanwhile the comment of yours I previously highlighted (along with a couple of other little bits of your previous post) do seem to be excusing the driver to some extent. According to Debz the situation was apparent before the overtaking move started, though the driver should have backed off when he realised as I presume he did at some point. If as suggested by some it was difficult for him to back off once he'd started, then that's another reason he should never have started overtaking.
It wasn't just a mistake, nor a momentary lapse, it was a conscious decision to take a chance on the overtake. Part of the whole "must overtake cyclists" thing, which seems to be the justification the two caravan towers I mentioned up there - they couldn't give me enough space because staying behind wasn't an option. I'd say those attitudes boil my piss, but that's trivialising it. It does boil my piss that the justice system in this country doesn't seem to consider such things to be dangerous driving because it's not far below the standard of an average driver.
[i]According to Debz[/i]
Where? 👿
But yeah, spot on. " it was a conscious decision to take a chance on the overtake."
Also, I would've been gone in less than a minute - turning left (if I hadn't chased him). I'm going the back way home tonight. Much more pleasant.
[quote=DezB ]Where?
😆 I assumed that was your new online dating alter ego
Part of the whole "must overtake cyclists" thing, which seems to be the justification the two caravan towers I mentioned up there - they couldn't give me enough space because staying behind wasn't an option
My perception is that as soon as a driver sees a cyclist there's an assumption that they are going slow and so must be passed at the earliest opportunity, no matter what. All further evaluation disappears, particularly planning 2-3 moves ahead, there is only one goal and that's to get in front.
Worst case scenario, we all know - that's when you get overtakes like this, left hooks, and so on. But the number of times someone has 'dodgy' overtaken me (which i measure by whether it gets a 'Jeez!' response, vs actually shit myself) only to then pull into a road or a drive 100 yards later, just proves to me like Pavlov's dog - see a cyclist, get past asap.
It's a tractor probably can only do 20mph.
It's not 1983 any more. A modern tractor is good for 40mph+, even towing.
That one wasn't - as I said, I followed for a couple of miles, even with a tailwind I'm certainly not gonna be a 40mph rider! The (silenced) video will hopefully go up tonight. Expect more judgement!
Apologies, I must have miss-read.
My perception is that as soon as a driver sees a cyclist [b]or frankly any vehicle driving at close to a legal or safe speed
for the road conditions [/b]there's an assumption that they are going slow and so must be passed at the earliest opportunity, no matter what. All further evaluation disappears, particularly planning 2-3 moves ahead, there is only one goal and that's to get in front.
Ftfy!
Lost count of the number of times cars and vans have attempted to push past me in the car at inappropriate places at highly illegal speeds after tailgating, swerving from side to side and/or gesticulating this week. I'm pretty good (if you'll excuse the terminology) at sitting bang on the limit where conditions permit and I'm not deliberately obstructive. The number of people who have 28 Days Later style rage from not going exactly as fast as they like is quite alarming.
Although I will concede that people are EVEN worse if a bike is involved.
DezB
I sympathise. I've been in that spot with an HGV before. The difference there was he could have used a whole empty lane of a dual carriageway to pass but still nearly flattened me with the trailer. That was over five years ago and i still cringe to think of what might have been.
Almost an identical no room to overtake with oncoming car scenario had me with a fluttering heart. Bez did his best to work out how close it was to my hands:
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/calculating-a-passing-distance-using-camera-footage/ ]How close?[/url]
he reckoned 30-34cm.
actual video is in [url= http://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/review-cycliq-fly-6-rear-light-and-camera/ ]this review[/url]
I didn't report it to the police, but I did contact the van hire company who were very contrite.
Buuuump!
Bloody tractor again on the way home!
So this roadie goes past me and we start the downhill, which does a complete 90deg bend in about 100metres. So I'm probably close to 30mph, as I'm going to take the left turn, which is actually straight on, if that makes sense. So Mr Farmer thinks this is a wise place to overtake. I have to almost go off the road, not knowing how long his trailer is. Check the last pic, how did he not clip that car? Don't think it was the same tractor, but need to find the old video
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Shiiiiiiite! That car must have properly shat themselves!
MUST PASS CYCLIST. You can hear it in people's heads when they perform overtakes like that. They aren't looking any further down the road than your back wheel, chewing the steering wheel with impatience. I honestly think part of your driving lessons should involve being on a bike whilst vehicles are driven closely to you.
Good luck reporting it. I've reported to GMP a close pass, drivers mirror actually glanced me. Filled out the initial form, got an automated response email then NOTHING. I even had video evidence.
They are just too stretched at the moment I think.
I'm very glad that I spent a good few years commuting by bike before even getting my driving licence. It is hilarious how up in arms some drivers get when they get stuck behind a cyclist because in the grand scheme of things they're adding less than 30 seconds to their journey but they get so unbelievably impatient. I am totally happy to trundle along behind a bike until there's ample room and time to overtake. Sometimes it's good to slow down every now and then but unfortunately it seems that there is a large portion of drivers who think they're entitled to the whole road 100% of the time and nothing is allowed to get in their way.
Also, I commute by bike in Bristol which is madness for traffic, and I constantly get drivers overtaking me in 20mph zones while I'm doing 20, only for me to inevitably catch up with them again at the next set of lights. Absolutely pointless.
Had an interesting one at the weekend that required a change of shorts, i was going over the local common which to keep the wild ponies on has a cattle grid at either end, as i am going over the cattle grid which is less than two cars wide, i was overtaken by a four ton truck, so that his wing mirror literally went over my head, thankfully i was on the drops otherwise i think he would actually have hit the back of my head.
Haulage company owner just thought it was quite funny until i said i'd report to Police and i had footage, then he was full of apologies and promises to reprimand driver
That stretch of road in photos is down a pretty steep hill and the length of straight before the 90deg right hander is not particularly long, given the fact that even a cyclist will have built up a fair amount of speed. Really ought to be double lines TBH. Incredibly stupid overtake. I dont think I've ever seen an overtake down there, let alone a tractor with huge trailer!
Glad everyone was fine. Everyone in such a rush these days.
There has been so much shit driving this week. This was the tip of the iceberg. But when you hear that rumble coming up next to you and think, no, he'll wait... then .. it's ****ing crazy.
And there was me doing the long route home for the pleasure of it. Arf.
don't look too bad to me.
you should try commuting in sunny leeds daily.
things like that are a regular daily happening. hardly worth raising the inner Mr Hyde for.
So ton enjoys getting practically shoved off the road by massive tractors with trailers. I don't. Cool.
DezB, no mate I don't.
but it is just part of commuting round here.
sorry for replying.
sunny
Certainly seems to have bought them out this week. Last night I had someone pull up to my right at a junction, blocking the oncoming lane so they could overtake me in the turn onto the "main" road. Stupid thing to do anyway , even more so as I was turning right and they'd pulled up to allow them to turn left across me. (and I dare say had they not decided to try overtaking me before the junction there was plenty of room to my left at the junction) Morons.
As a counter point to dez (and that is a stupid, dangerous, overtake) I usually find the HGVs and tractors on my commute are, invariably, the ones I can rely on to treat me like a real person who happens to be on a bike rather than an inconvenience.
don’t look too bad to me.
This is a forum full of people who are determined to ride bikes and who will put up psychological defences to desensitise themselves from danger so that they can ride bikes in relative mental comfort.
That doesn't change the fact that passes like the above are fragile things: heavily reliant on the assumption that everyone is being hyper-attentive and that everything favourable will happen and nothing detrimental will. What if the driver above had lacked the ability to precisely place themselves where they are just missed by the trailer but also avoid mounting the verge and losing control? It's a fine balance, and by the looks of it they much have had a few inches to spare, if that.
Just this week I've had multiple passes which would look "not too bad" on a camera but which again teeter on the brink of disaster: for instance one person overtaking me leaving plenty of space, but leaving much, much less to the person coming the other way on a bicycle (who, had they wobbled or hit a pothole—having been left no room to swerve—would have been the next Denisa Perinova); or another overtaking me leaving space, but on a blind bend on a singletrack road, where the result of any oncoming traffic would have been a proper mess for at least one of us.
If it's "a daily happening" then surely that makes it all the more worth doing something about, rather than being a reason to criticise people for wanting to do something about it? Because for every person who shrugs it off there'll be another who's choosing never to cycle; and for every time someone behind the wheel rolls the dice on a risky pass there's someone else on the road who's going to get screwed over the time it comes up snake eyes.
Well said Bez.
The only thing the photo really shows clearly is how close the tractor was to the car. It doesn't convey the feeling of having that massive bastard thing next to you, shaking the road, you thinking, has he got room? Unless you're a ****ing hard northerner of course. Then you can no doubt do to the trailer what I said sarcastically in this thread previously. Obvs.
There's nothing worse than a completely unnecessary close pass. I've been overtaken in a 30 (while I was doing 40...) One time some old couple overtook me passing through a quaint village, then the very second they pulled in front, slammed on the brakes to stop, forcing me to brake hard - they'd reached their destination... I'm sure everyone has examples but it's really not an acceptable way to drive and I think most of it just comes down to a complete lack of thought, which is exactly why we need to voice concerns and increase awareness.
I have come to the conclusion that the sight of my bum in lycra is so fantastic that it blinds drivers to oncoming traffic, blind corners, brows of hills and many other hazards whilst they overtake me.
Unless you’re a **** hard northerner of course
no need Dez. I will stay away from your post from now. no worries
FWIW I'd intended to append "and I include myself" to the first paragraph of my post, but I see I forgot.
I think when you're someone who likes riding bikes for the sake of it and don't want to stop doing so, it takes a while to realise that you don't have to normalise other people's crappy behaviour, and to realise that one of the reasons most people you know don't cycle is that they don't normalise it (at least from the point of view of being subjected to it; clearly some of them are happy to do so when it comes to subjecting others to it).
no need Dez. I will stay away from your post from now. no worries
Whatever, it's what you implied in your first post.
That Bez article on measuring distance is superb. How did he/you become such an expert on that?
I didn't, I've just done a lot of maths in my time. (And 3D graphics, image editing, etc)
Someone published it, though, which makes it look a bit experty 🙂
It's not so much an elbow-brushing close pass as just an utterly shit pass, and if the car driver hadn't been clued up and made room, the chances of him wiping out either you or the car are high.
Round here, I keep seeing tractors and quads being driven on quiet lanes by implausibly young-looking lads...
It's not just cyclists that are shown contempt by such poor drivers.
My commute home (by car) takes in some small country roads, and one of them has a tall bank on the left, and a thick hedge on the right - both of them pretty much adjacent to the edge of the road. At one point, the road turns to the left, meaning that you can't see oncoming traffic. A pedestrian was on the opposite side of the road, going in the same direction as me and, as any sensible person would, I slowed down to allow for the fact that there wasn't really room for two cars and a pedestrian to pass.
Predictably, three cars were coming the other way, and the first two had moved into the middle of the road to go round the pedestrian. Bloody good job - for everybody - that I slowed down, or it would have been very nasty. The one surprising thing was that the third car (which actually stopped) was an Audi - nice to see somebody breaking stereotypes.
Then, just this morning, I was waiting to turn right, out of a t-junction - something that can sometimes take a minute or so - and the bloke behind me was rooting his horn and gesticulating impatiently. Quite how he thought that would miraculously cause a gap in the traffic to appear, I don't know. He was, unsurprisingly, driving a white van, so the stereotype reinforcing/destroying balance was restored.
People really are getting to be very inconsiderate.
It's all ok though. Cos, we shouldn't ****ing be there, obviously
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/moment-bus-knocks-cyclist-bike-2853635
The poor Devonlive website can't take the increased traffic Dez, you've broken it.
I had this about a year ago; it's not big (although I've had plenty of those) but fits the "must get passed" category. I'm pretty certain that it relied on myself and the coach driver to respond to avoid an accident.
The GoPro's about 10" inboard of the end of the bars so the pass was closer than it looks.
Sorry, the video link went wrong!
Another total moron.
There was a 'traffic wars' type thing on last night. I gritted my teeth and watched the cycling section against my better judgement. Yeah, as fun as I expected. Even 6 year old kids getting close passed by caravans. I do understand why people give up road cycling/commuting. You can only survive as long as I have with pure luck really.
[edit]what imean is, survival instincts, road positioning, experience and all that only get you so far when lorries, buses etc can just hit you from behind because they just don't give a shit
“must get passed”
If someone needs to overtake you then they "must get past"
If you need someone to overtake you then you "must get passed"
As they come past you are being passed.
“must get passed”
If someone needs to overtake you then they “must get past”
If you need someone to overtake you then you “must get passed”
As they come past you are being passed.
Indeed; I clearly spent too much time faffing with the video!
I had this about a year ago; it’s not big (although I’ve had plenty of those) but fits the “must get passed” category. I’m pretty certain that it relied on myself and the coach driver to respond to avoid an accident.
The GoPro’s about 10″ inboard of the end of the bars so the pass was closer than it looks.
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I was thinking 'that wasn't so bad.... OH! OH GOD!'
There's a reason why I try and avoid cycling on roads as much as I can.
PJay
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I had this about a year ago; it’s not big (although I’ve had plenty of those) but fits the “must get passed” category. I’m pretty certain that it relied on myself and the coach driver to respond to avoid an accident.
Jesus. That's pretty terrible!
I saw the Mini come past & thought 'dunno what you're complaining about....' - then the van towing the car came past!! It would have been bad enough had it not been towing a car, but then to see the rope & another car be dragged through! Arsehole.
PJay
Indeed; I clearly spent too much time faffing with the video!
No one had the slightest idea what you were on about until the spelling/grammar police arrived!
I thought you were talking about something that happened a long long time ago.....in the passed....
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