Forum menu
As for lorry bans in the city if they can only go in and out at certain times means that there must still be people in them areas to accept them deliveries so it's Ok for the people who have to work late to get squished?
That's a complete logical flaw.
You are saying that, since it is inevitable people will get squished, you might as well do it while there are thousands of people around rather than just a few!
Less people around = less people squished. Simple.
If you lived next door to that sore would you be happy about building works all through the night?
Happier than having the lives of my family put at risk for commercial gain? Yes.
getting back to the "What Can We Do" question: I do think education plays a big part in diluting some of the current issues.
I'd love to see some prominent government advertising explaining:
- the dangers to cyclists of going up the inside of HGVs, buses etc
- that cyclists [i]do[/i] pay for the roads
- that cyclists are entitled to use the full lane and explaining the reasons they may do so for their own safety
- the correct amount of room to give a cyclist when overtaking them and pointing out that overtaking at pinch points is a really dumb idea!
BUT.. that would help the current people who cycle anyway.
What we really need to do, to increase cycling levels in the UK, is make the conditions less intimidating for those who would [i]like[/i] to cycle but don't.
Sorry not read this whole thread, but sad to see another tragic cyclist death in the news, 14 year old boy this time
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-23353273
London - four deaths to lorries in eleven days. Two cyclists and two pedestrians.
[url= http://www.seemesaveme.com/news/vigil19july.html ]http://www.seemesaveme.com/news/vigil19july.html[/url]
Looked like a good turnout at the #Space4Cycling protest at Holborn:
[url= http://road.cc/content/blog/88587-guest-blog-bus-lane-rules-and-death-holborn-andy-waterman ]This blog[/url] makes some good points too: the week before the fatal accident the police were actively fining cyclists who tried to use the bus lane to avoid the busy Holborn junction.
[img] 
[/img]
The cyclist killed at Holborn was in the right hand lane, for all you "it's the cyclists' faults for riding up the inside" merchants
Surprised at that Graham, I thought all bus lanes were fair game for cyclists.
Yeah was news to me too. I assume it must be a local traffic order.
Some companies like ARRIVA buses and Travis Perkins, and various cement supply companies have signs on the back legft hand side warning cyclists not to go down the side of them, and one LGV, the other day had a buzzer when it was turning left,that was on the outside of the vehicle a really great idea
Recently Trixie moirrors where installed on a set of trafic lights in chester, some stupid thick muppet decided to smash one, he was probably so offended by how ugly ansd stupidly unfit he looked.Problem is someone got killed there thats what they where put there for.
A bus lane is a bus only lane if it only has a bus pictogram on the warning signs, if it has a cyclist as well youre allowed to use it.
Really sad news throughout this thread.
I've just started cycling on the road myself and in the 3 weeks since I started, just today had my first experience of being cut up by a long vehicle overtaking me on a straight bit of road and pulling back in prematurely (ooh fnar)
Seems like HGV appreciation of cyclists is a real problem - how can cyclists as a group get some action taken on this? We can wear a camera but i'm talking prevention, rather than a post incident record:
There are steps a cyclist can take to avoid danger (dont pass a lorry on the left for example) but equally it seems we are sitting ducks exposed to bad long\HG vehicle driving.
genuinely I want to do something about this but not sure where to start - I don't want to stop cycling on the road but what I experienced today was enough to make me think about taking that choice.
Stay out from the kerb about 2 foot plus,carry a notebook and pen and possiblty a camera to take vehicle details.
Report any miscreant lgv drivers to VOSA, and stay safe.
Strangely i have had few near misses with LGV,s it seems to be more aggressive woman driving their husbands car badly.
mega, see posts previously by myself and GrahamS, (and others), there is plenty you can do, get involved with your local groups, council, etc and support the national cycling bodies too
don't let a few bad eggs run you off the road (literally), and without wanting to sound patronising, but if you are new to riding on the roads then genuinely look to see if there are any groups or training being run in your area, even the most experienced of us can learn something!
Mega.also get a copy of Cyclecraft from book depository or amazon. lots of good info about safer city cycling.
Just be careful out there everyone
[url= http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7454/9321877750_9d7680abaa.jp g" target="_blank">
[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/cheesyfeet/9321877750/ ]Holborn Cyclist tributes[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/cheesyfeet/ ]-Cheesyfeet-[/url], on Flickr