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Seatpost slipping solution, I think.
I ordered one of these yesterday from Amazon (prime so I could get it quick), you can get similar USE ones elsewhere cheaper, but was in a hurry.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0013B9RWM
The size I ordered was 27.2mm inside diameter / 31.8mm outside diameter. It's a much better fit inside the seat tube and after a short 25 miles today, seems to have stopped slipping (though my paranoid mind is telling me it still is!).
dodgy - are you using the Tripster seat clamp? Many on here claimed it was useless so replaced mine with a Salsa one.
Using the standard clamp, but thinking of also getting a better clamp. Important to note, though, that the supplied shim basically doesn't fit the frame. So no matter what bodges we make in terms of beefier clamps, KCNC anti slip gadgets, carbon assembly paste, the seat tube is still larger than the supplied shim.
Even if I bought a 31.6mm post, it would probably still not be a good fit. Best to fix the root cause before adding on the gizmos 😉
yes, i think i bought a 31.6 shim and the clamp (a salsa one) is closed up pretty tight.
maybe i will get a 31.8 one, as above, although it hasnt slipped.
What size Salsa Lip-lock is the correct one for the Tripster?
Mine has now arrived. Not doing several other jobs I am supposed to be doing so I can play a little.
The 31.6 USE ti post is a good fit but added a Thompson clamp for security.
Did the lower fork crown race slide over the carbon fork easily? Mine is a good 10-20mm short of the top of the fork but do not want to force it for it to come up short?
PS. I ordered a KCNC seat post grip. It arrived today, but it doesn't appear to work on frames that have a shim, unless I'm doing it wrong. The lip of the grip needs to be in contact with the seat clamp, that's not possible with a shim.
Anyone else using one of these gizmos on a Tripster with a 27.2mm post and a shim?
I'm a little nervous using my 'oversize' shim mentioned further up in the thread, as I just went to remove it to test the KCNC grip, and it was a bit tricky to get out, perhaps months down the line it would be impossible to get out.
This issue really is the only thing blighting an otherwise tremendous frame.
The 31.6 USE ti post is a good fit
Yeah. I just measured mine a number of times with the vernier caliper and it comes up exactly 31.6
Did the lower fork crown race slide over the carbon fork easily?
You need a setting tool:
[list][*]Proper one - http://www.wiggle.co.uk/lifeline-crown-race-setting-tool/
[/*][*]Make your own - http://www.hackracer.com/2012/02/make-your-own-crown-race-setting-tool.html [/*][/list]
Or you can tap it on very slowly and carefully by working round and round.
Right. Let's do this...
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Update on my slipping seatpost dramas. I've gone back to the original (slightly undersized for the seat tube) seatpost and fitted a Salsa lip lock. I've also cleaned the seatpost of grease, I'm aware of the inherent risks in doing so, but my seatpost no longer slips!
I'll just have to remember to regularly remove the seatpost.
Anyone's TRP Spyres squeal on the front brake like mine does?
First ride today for me. I have a 31.6 carbon FSA seat post and it doesn't slip. I have TRP HY/RD brakes which did squeal a bit.
All in all a very nice comfy ride. Just need to get my position dialled in properly
Got chaps at LBS to drive lower crown race home on fork. Still trying to find the time to finish as many other things to do and annual boarding trip imminent. Levers discs and hydraulics done tonight. Slightly different bleed to mtb but working very well now. Just chain, gear cables and bar tape and I can have a ride.
Fully built ATR is now £2114.98 at Freeborn bikes, quite a hike in price from just a few weeks ago when it was £1909
Maybe wholesale prices have increased or spec has changed?
The spec has changed, you now get Shimano 105 5800 and TRP Spyre brakes. But that was also the spec just before Christmas and the price then was £1909
Did the lower fork crown race slide over the carbon fork easily? Mine is a good 10-20mm short of the top of the fork but do not want to force it for it to come up short?
I cut mine with a hacksaw to split it like an FSA job, as it butts up against cartridge bearings so isn't a proper race.
If you don't hear from me for a while, my fork probably fell off 🙂
No one seems to be discounting as much as they were. They are like hens teeth so why would you?
I was using the 31.6mm USE seatpost shim now I'll be getting the 31.8 version. That'll sort her! Otherwise the bikes great.
Hmm. What size steerer bung did people get with their tripster?
I just got around to cutting the fork, and I can't get the bung to go in. Mine is a 23mm bung, and the ID of the steerer is 22.2mm. WTF?
I see from somafunk's dyno fitting that his plug is a 22mm
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When my bike was built up in the LBS, the mechanic couldn't get the Kinesis supplied bung to fit, so he used another one he had handy.
Matts : I guess they have supplied you with the wrong steerer bung, perhaps it is suitable for a fork from another one of their range but not the Tripster fork - very annoying for you.
On another note i have finally got my Tripster reconfigured and built up with the Jones bars, all that remains from the previous drop bar build is the Seatpost,seat and brakes, everything else has been changed.
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No mudguards,
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PDW mudguards fitted, may need a bit more fettling to get them to sit as close to the 35mm tyres as possible or i may leave them as they clear a 40mm tyre where they are.
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Middleburn cranks fitted, big thanks to Matt @ Middleburn for messing about with the Cranks/Spider/Axle to get them spot on for correct chainline, one of the perils of fitting an off road group set to a road bike but all sorted now.
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Pauls Love Levers work phenomenally well with the TRP Spyres, i had my fears over compatibility but thankfully the pull ratio gives a very solid feel and the lever is very comfortable in use.
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Cabling for rear dynamo light has been fed alongside rear brake cable and Heat shrink tubing has been used to eel everything neat and out of the way of my clumsy dismounts/crashes.
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Rear Son light and extra heat shrink sleeve over the cable to protect it.
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Not the neatest but the best option for getting the rear light feed to the front Son Light.
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More heat shrink over the cabling for feed from Dynamo hub to front light and for feed to USB charger, held in place with a couple of stick on cable clips - works surprisingly well and despite the picture there is ample clearance at top for tyre clearance.
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CK rear hub onto Velocity Aileron rims, front is a Son 28 onto Aileron rim - both 32 spoke.
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USB charging plug works well
It was worth the wait to get it all together so i'm now away out for a ride in the pissing rain for it's first proper shakedown run, it's also a good day to test my new rapha hooded rain jacket as it's bouncing with rain outside so we'll see if it works as well as promised.
Stunning, cutting a hole in the headstock took some nerve I bet.
Tell us more about the PDW Fenders. I almost bought some, but the extended stays which I understand are required on the Tripster were out of stock so I went ahead with SKS Longboard instead, they give really good coverage but don't look anywhere near as smart as your PDWs.
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[*]Did you need the extended stays for the rear?
[*]What's coverage like, it would be helpful if you could measure from the bottom of the front mudguard (from bottom of flap) to the ground, I'm obsessive about stopping mud spatter from getting to my chainset 🙂
[*]Have you gone for the 45mm 'city' fenders?
[*]Are they lighter than SKS equivelents?
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Thanks!
Edit: Should have added, is the front bracket of the mudguards attached in front of or behind the mudguard? (makes a difference to how low you can get the mudflap)
What tyres are those? And how do they feel riding them?
Somafunk.. Looks spot on. I now have crank envy.
It's probably not a bar / lever option (although those levers are a thing of beauty) that I'd go for...
I'm guess it probably makes it more manageable off road than drop bars.
Quirrel.. I think they are Clement xplor ush tyres
Somafunk - been looking forward to those pics... and you've not disappointed! It looks very sorted, clearly worth the time and brain power you've put into it. I hope the shakedown went well today. Stuck a 50 in on mine this morning around the lanes, which was as pleasant as it always is. Happy days 🙂
drip…..drip…..drip…..drip…….. 😀 , needless to say it now looks nothing like it did in the pics up there ^ - it's been well n' truly christened by cow shit, mud, sheep shit that appears to be made by gorilla tape as it sticks so bloody well, and 1 foot deep burn crossings . The mudguards did a surprisingly good job of stopping all the spray n' mud yet the deluge from above put paid to any hope of a dry maiden voyage, the rapha rain jacket works as well as it should for £120 - kept me bone dry underneath and it seemed to breath rather well - i certainly never felt clammy, even when off the bike and hiding under a tree for a recuperative swig from the hip flask as i watched the rain bounce all around me. The bars are a revelation to the handling of the bike, i'm going to have to see what's the maximum tyre width i can squeeze in the frame/fork as it now truly feels like a bike i could ride down/over/up anything - plenty of hand positions to experiment with and the 28 x 34 low gear could winch me up anything or it certainly feels like it - not the slightest bit of chain chatter either with the Clutch mech and i certainly didn't hang about over the rocks or downhills.
I was getting worried as i had a niggle in the back of my mind over the set-up and whether or not i had made a very stupid/expensive mistake in speccing it entirely around the Jones bars but it feels so right….I can finally breath a sigh of relief and say, [i]Yep….it works as i wanted it to[/i]
[i]Did you need the extended stays for the rear?[/i] : Yeah i did and ordered the extended city stays direct from Paligap as they now have them in stock, I cut 5mm from the extended stays to get them closer to the 35mm tyres (Clemet X-plor ush), i could cut another 5mm from them so they sit snug but that would leave very little clearance for my 40mm Clement X-plor mso tyres so i don't think i'll bother.
[i]What's coverage like, it would be helpful if you could measure from the bottom of the front mudguard from bottom of flap to the ground, I'm obsessive about stopping mud spatter from getting to my chainset[/i] : It's approx 11cm - on the road i never got any spray onto my feet or chain set so that's a win for winter commuting.
[i]Should have added, is the front bracket of the mudguards attached in front of or behind the mudguard? (makes a difference to how low you can get the mudflap)[/i] : It's attached to the front of the fork crown - i doubt you'd be able to attach it to the rear as the bolt is countersunk, or you'd need a helluva long bolt to do it.
[i]Have you gone for the 45mm 'city' fenders?[/i]: Yep
[i]Are they lighter than SKS equivelents?[/i] : No idea but i doubt it, i used to run the SKS chromoplastics but these are far better, very solid and despite the warning on the PDW booklet about them not being suitable for off road duties they coped very well with what i was riding, i guess the slight extra clearance also helped. I drilled the rear mudguard where it passes under the rear bridge on the seat stays and fixed it directly to the frame with a ti brake bolt. no shakes or annoying rattles from them at all so i'm well chuffed with them.
I was going to weigh the components before i built everything up but i gave myself a talking to and slapped myself, i decided it was a stupid idea - i don't care what it weighs as it rides just fantastic and i'd gain absolutely nothing by knowing how little or how much it weighs.
Time for a soak in the bath and a celebratory whisky 😀
Thanks very much for taking the time out to answer my questions. I love my Tripster, glad you love yours too!
Liking that. So glad there's more to these lovely bikes than bloody seatpost shim quandaries!
Well, I should be getting a 22mm bung sent out to me in the next couple of days. 🙂
A result but still bloody annoying when you want to get it built up, what's your build going to be?
Not added pics before so not sure if below will work!
Managed to sneak in an hour after last minute holiday packing to get bike together enough for ride to newsagents to pick up a pint of milk and see how sizing/bar level is before heading off on hols.
Cut steerer do bartape add guards, rack and bottle cage (remove free chainstay protector and add some heli tape in its place) to finish.
Did not check steerer bung size but seems bound to be wrong. Will contact Kinesis (or should I go through Merlin?) upon return to UK.
Great to see your bike back together somafunk.
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Matts - who did you contact? Dealer or Kinesis or Upgrade?
Looks like my bung is too big too. It spent an hour in the freezer last night before it occurred to me I should just consult this thread 😀
I contacted the dealer. Upgrade might deal with you personally, but will probably tell you to go to your retailer.
Was a bit annoying that they've shipped it to dealer in order to forward.
Just ordered my wheelset!.....one of the brand new Mason X Hunt 4seasons disc. A collaboration between Hunt wheels and Dom Mason (designer of our beloved Tripster ATR) love the subtle understated look of them.
Check them out here: http://www.huntbikewheels.com/
How much are the wheels in disc? They give a price and weight range on the site, but no specifics.
Anyone running a Tripster with flat bars?
selling my spyres and hy-rds which I've used on my tripster if anybody is interested (in the classified)
what's your build going to be?
I'll try and post a 'so far' pic later. Spec is:
ST-R685 STI
BR-RS785 callipers
XTR Ti-backed sintered pads
Hope X2 lightweight rotors
Novatech 771/772SB hubs
Pacenti SL25 rims
Sapim d-light spokes with black brass nips
5800 Mechs and cassette
KMC X11L chain
Jagwire sealed cables
BOR 688 Power2Max Crank
Stronglight bio-concept ct2 50/36 chainrings
Zipp Service Course SL stem + bars
Easton EC70 27.2 seatpost + USE shim
Bontrager Serano RL saddle
Lizard Skins 3.2mm DSP tape
A load of Ti bolts.
I will use Vittoria Randonneur Pro 32 folding tyres for commuting (which come up at 30mm, even on the 25mm wide rims), and I'm going to get some Surly Knard 41s for off-road.
Chainrings may be replaced with some Praxis 'cross rings (the Stronglights were what I had on that crank on my race bike)
Also probably get some Cowbell 2s when they come back into stock.
EDIT: Build as listed with Dura-ace 7801 pedals is 9.3Kg (Size 57)
Dodgy - price is £349 weight is 1585g
Tubeless ready, come with skewers and Centre lock disc adapters, spare spokes/nipples/tool + adapters for 15mm axle option. Rim tape fitted, tubeless valves included. Freewheel has steel insert to prevent cassette biting in. All in all a really good package.
As always I'm keeping an eye on this thread because these are really lovely looking bikes and I so admire the range of builds you guys are putting together.
It really does look like no two bikes will be the same, so admire the individuality 😀
Somafunk that bike is gorgeous, it looks more than sorted, it looks "right".
So, " keep calm, build Tripsters" 😆
That reminds me, haven't put a picture of mine up yet!
32mm tyres, SKS Longboard mudguards, everything else stock.
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That's a pimpy build matts, including [i]A load of Ti bolts[/i] - got to be done! , we might as well shower our builds in as much of the stuff as possible - bloody expensive if you've got to buy them though, thankfully i've a motorsports mate with drawers full of TI bolts so obviously i filled my pockets with everything possible when his back was turned 😀
Cheers for the positive comments peeps, i was unsure what the STW reaction was going to be to the Jones Loop Bar build, although saying that i was [i]genuinely hand on forehead[/i] stressing out about whether the geometry/handling would be messed up, it is designed for drop bars after all so there was more than a few moments of [i]what the **** am i doing?… it works perfect on drops…. why mess about with something that works?…. it's gonna look pig ****ing ugly and people will point and stare at the funny man on the ugly bike….it's gonna be a waste of money[/i] , thankfully it all worked out as my first ride on it showed the benefits of the Jones bar (and clutch mech) when slipping, sliding and bouncing over the rocks round my local trails - if I'm honest it gets ridden over terrain that it's prob not designed for but i've not found anything it can't handle yet, Tiz' a shame the rider could prob do with an upgrade to match the capabilities of the bike but hey ho…... 😀
That Mason X Hunt wheel set looks like an absolute bargain, I wonder if Dom has plans for a frame set/bike to compete with the Tripster? - I dunno how it could be genuinely improved? - perhaps internal cable routing for gearing and rear dynamo light, internal routing for brake hose/cable on fork leg and internal routing on the other fork leg for dynamo wiring?, is a bolt through rear and front needed?, split chain stay for a possible belt drive rohloff?.
All possible i suppose and it would aid the fitting of bike packing equipment and bags as cables sometimes get in the way.
I think i'm happy with mine as it is, although i do have a Brooks Cambium C15 saddle in black to fit to it (i couldn't resist) 😀