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Look it was a late night comment but that I still think £1100 is outrageous for a brochure special with the big T branded logo on it.
Your still not making sense tdog. Is a "brochure special" any of the peg bike rather than a custom made frame ? Well if you think £1100 for a bike frame is outrageous you must live in a world of outrage !! What do you think of the £3000 a friend of mine paid for a "of the peg" fishing pole.
Does he want to buy some magic beans?
Well I do hope you enjoy though the OO 456 carbon evo would have done same job 👍😉
Does he want to buy some magic beans?
Only if your intersted in a cow he wants rid of. 😉
I've heard the claim before that this is a "brochure special" but I've yet to see it anywhere else. There is always the chance that Transition actually own the mould.
I've spent 4 figures on an alu frame in the past. That was back when a grand really was a grand.
It's spending a grand on the forks to go with it that hurts.
Jesus these are some posts here which are at the most spiteful or at the least tinged with jealousy!
I don’t suggest this frame is good value or not, never seen one. But I hope Taxi is happy with his/her purchases. Please keep us updated with the build
Wow there is some weirdness going on here. They are pretty cheap compared to a lot of hardtail XC carbon frames or road frames, they are also pretty much the only option if you want a pretty long reach, very low standover fun bike. My girlfriend races long distance stuff on one, bike built up silly light and she is pretty quick on it downhill.
You can loop the brake over UK if you share the gear cable port, and change or modify the bungs.
If you want nearly the same geo but 1lb heavier I can sell you an Orange Clockwork 129 frame for £375, but that sort of misses the point. If you want a fun carbon 29er frame that's light but with decent geo, this is the one.
Certainly not open mould, why would any vendor make something like this or the throttle with the hope a few companies would pick up on it? Far too specialist.
So you don’t know what your talking about then, fair enough at least you’ve admitted it Don’t know about defensive, but I’ve put my hard earned down and some guy on the internet who hasn’t ridden or very likely even seen one in the flesh is telling my I’ve wasted my money
so yes defensive because other people don't agree with you. I also said it was overpriced not that you've wasted your money.
handbags at dawn in here!
Please keep us updated with the build
Will do, it'll be mostly a straight swap of the stuff from my nukeproof scout 290 pro to begin with. I've got a nice carbon rimed wheel set to go on aswell. I'm away nxt week so I'll post a pic and first impressions the week after.
Poah, your dead right mate, keep up the good work we all need someone to tell us how it is.👍👍
Quite and would be good to hear how you’re finding it with lots of up close pics.
Got home from holiday Friday and it was waiting for me.
Used everything of the scout 290 except the wheels and cassette. The wheels have American classic 225 hubs and I struggled to get a xd driver for it. So I'm using a suntour mx8 46x11 cassette with a 32t chainring. With the 42x10 xg cassette I was using a 30t chainring. As it happened after ordering the suntour cassette I found a AC xd driver !!
The pikes are 130mm, and after riding the bike I'll leave them at that not change them to 120mm.
The frame looks lovely, the paint is thick and glossy and very well finnished. It's proper boost, it's really needs a boost chainset , I made the one I had fit, but it took a lot of messing about with the bottom bracket. I've got one on order so that's going on next. The rear wheel works ok with a ebay boost converter kit, but both spacers had to go on the disc side, so it needed extra spacers for disc and a re dish.
Weight wise its 24lbs 10oz. I'm a weight weenie so a bit will come of that, but it's a fun bike not xc race so just a bit.
How'd it ride. Well as with all new builds it started to rain as soon as it it was finnished 🤬.
First impressions are that it's a proper xc race/trail hybrid. Much sharper feeling than the scout but as you'd expect a little less stable on rough descents. It climbs more or less like a HT race bike but is quite a bit more comfortable than the Scott Scale I had. It was as smooth on roots and cobbely stone as any HT I've had. I'll have to wait for dry weather or a trail centre visit to really push it, but it was a promising start.
If your a winch and plummet rider, or only really enjoy the downs this probably isn't the bike for you. I wouldn't waste it's allround XC/trail potential by building one up to burly. But if you enjoy riding the ups, hustling along on undulating trails, popping of reasonable lumps and bumbs, going out and just riding really anything, from an hour in the woods to all day marathons it could do them all.
Actually really lools lovely. Topjob!
Nice mini review and a sweet looking bike. Any comments on size vs your height?
I'm 6ft, 33"inside leg with longish arms. It's a large so I'm right in the middle of their size guide for large.
Fits great, it's got a bit more reach than the scout 290, on that occasionally I felt a 60mm stem would have suited my better, on this the 50mm stem is spot on. I've got a 10mm spacer under the stem and with the 130mm forks I will try it slammed at some point. It felt ok today but, it's worth playing around a bit.
Thats a 125mm dropper I could easily go to 170mm if needed, but when the shonky nukeproof one gives up the ghost I'll get a 150mm one for it.
I'm a bit torn size wise. At 5'10", I'm slap bang between sizes. The medium looks to size up similarly to my large mojo hd3, perhaps a smidgen shorter when pedalling.
What did you do with the rear brake hose routing?
It's a bummer being an inbetweenie 🤔 you could ride either, personal preference really. If you were near S.Wales you'd be welcome to try mine. Brake hose is external and can only go one way really. Click on the thumbnail for a closer look.
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Cheers. Now pondering if I could size up and use a 44mm offset fork.
Onzadog, all your points in the earlier post are correct, but I am really enjoying mine.
Riding off-piste at Cannock and FoD, just brilliant fun,.
I am 5 9ish, rode our demo large and found it a bit long to chuck around in a way hardtails are good for, but would have been nice looking for a stable beast.
The one I built for my girlfriend has the rear brake routed inside where the gear cable goes in, then out of the dropper post hole, both doubled up with different bungs stolen from othe frame kits designed for double cables, that I had to modify slightly to get a nice fit. If I didn't have ready access to loads of bungs then it probably isn't worth it, but it can be done if you are obsessed with looped over cables.
@Dekerf853 - I'm pleased to hear it. As you might be able to tell, I'm very tempted by one of these so I'll read any updates on living with them with great interest.
@pigyn, I'm known for being very anal about the setup of my bikes. If you can get both inside the frame at the head tube, that sounds great. However, I can't visualise where the rear brake comes out as I'd imagined the dropper routing stays in the frame the whole way.
£1,100 is a great price and I haven't seen any defensiveness on this thread. But Inhave seen some seriously weird and bitter comments. I love the comment about having a knock off made in China. You couldn't make this stuff up.
@ pigyn.
I'm at a loss how you'd get the rear brake internal. On mine the dropper goes in on the right but stays internal. You have to stick your fingers in the btm bracket, through a square hole and guide it up the seat tube (12" multi jointed fingers help). The gear cable comes out just before the B/B. Not seeing how you'd get the hose from there over to the top of the L/H chainstay. In amy case you'd be then left with three redundant hose guides on the down tube.
Mines a 2018, has there been a change of spec at some point ?
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It isn't very clear in this but you can see the double exit in the down tube. The dropper is fully internal until then, and the brake hose is taken from the top chainstay guide and then under the BB, it runs neatly, and into the gear cable port on the down tube. Everything is anti rattle sheethed. And yes you are left with redundant guides, but they aren't that offensive.
I think I get it. Would love to see your routing around the bottom bracket. Sounds like you've come up with a solution to one of my reservations.
It isn't super neat if you look close, tiny zip tie right by the BB to help make sure the hose doesn't clip the crank arm. I wouldn't do it on a customers build unless they ask for it but it worked out pretty nice for a home build. My Yeti ASRc took a lot of dremel action to get the same result!
If you look at our instagram feed there are quite a few pictures of the bike, but no more of the cable routing I think.
She loves it, racing on it again this weekend solo 10@Kirroughtree 👌
Dp
Happy with the standard routing myself and don't plan a change. But if you've done something that works for you great 👍👍
P.s
Bikes riding great, bit like a X/C bike with benefits, loads of fun 😊. I'll be riding it at the Brecon Beast September 9th. Should give me and it a proper work out.
Sorry for lack of update. Bike has been great. Still hasn't been pushed on technical trails but it's been great on the local trails. Would love to add a stiffer fork and a decent set of brakes (Formulas at mo) to really get the most from it.
I've also raced it at BotB and Gritfest (G-One tyres and a dropper post make for an odd combo!). I was left bemoaning the limited chainring clearance - could've done with a 40t with that tailwind at BotB. For this reason it's a bit limited for XC. Despite my concerns at having gone for too small a size I suspect that it climbs better than a larger frame with teeny stem.
Here it is in it's previous guise (brown suede Flite out of shot). Cuurently running 2.35 Vittoria Barzos.
@daiboy, at 6' (and a bit) doesn't that put you in the middle of the medium? Interesting that you find it small. At 5'10" I'm between sizes and thinking I'd need a medium.
What size chainring have you settled on? Will it take a 34 oval do you think?
What stem length is that?
Onzadog, my take on he sizing chart was that I fell between a Large and XL (I'm 6ft1in). Advice was split over what size should go for. As I say, I find it small on the basis that a 420mm seat post was at full extension and barely reached the seat stay/top tube junction.
Think it's a 70mm stem (-10deg for racing!). Cant remember if I ended up with a 32t or 34t - either way i'm always at the bottom of the cassette! Transition state 34t max and I doubt there is clearance for anything bigger.
Thanks for the reply. By the way, I meant, didn't it put you in the middle of the large. 70mm stem doesn't sound too far from the norm. Despite the pitch, I'm not sure it's the sort of bike for a 35mm stem.
The medium on me would mean a 185mm dropper post would fit nicely between the frame and my arse. The medium would match the reach of my current large ibis hd3 but come up a bit shorter on ett. However, your comment about stem length makes me think that might be okay as I can add a bit longer stem.
After all, this is likely to be more for ride all day stuff than point and shoot vert.
Has anybody got any more reviews or feed back as there is still a lack of anything even geometry for this bike.
??? full geometry is on the website page...
Found it now thanks