[Closed] Trance, with a few mods to show what can be done.

Agree tpbiker, those wheels are around 1800gr depending on spokes, the rims are 420gr.

I just weighed my orange 5 again, on a different set of scales.
27.6lb today....
😉

This thread is great... 🙂

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28.2lbs, could of got it a little lighter. Since been replaced with a smuggler which is 1lb heavier and don't notice the weight difference!

This thread is great..

I'm struggling to remember what it's about. A guy swaps a dropper for a carbon post and weighs his bike?

Agree tpbiker, those wheels are around 1800gr depending on spokes, the rims are 420gr.

Which wheels are you referring to here? The giant carbon wheels are 1600g

Agree tpbiker, those wheels are around 1800gr depending on spokes, the rims are 420gr.
Which wheels are you referring to here? The giant carbon wheels are 1600g

hmm seems conveniently rounded up...do you have some dirty scales you can provide a photo on please 🙁

the superstar ones on the op's bike

[b]I'm struggling to remember what it's about[/b]. A guy swaps a dropper for a carbon post and weighs his bike?

Carbon bars

I keep seeing this thread title as a music one - IE some chaps who like scooters and dress well getting into some modern dance music. amphetamines meet MDMA

My trance is 31 with no particular weight saving bits including spare tube and pump attached. Pike, chain guide, XT/SLX, transfer dropper, m530 pedals, no carbon, maxxis exo tyres.

28lb is realistic. Remove the chain guide, pump, tube, dropper and replace alloy bits with carbon.

replace alloy bits with carbon.

You all really need to feel a Trance frameset, they're so light it makes you question the purpose of carbon.

I've got a carbon Giant Reign and I couldn't care less what it weighs. It's FAST AS F$&K.

But the OP has already poo-pooed the notion that carbon is lighter than alloy....

So does that mean he should swap out his carbon bars and saddle for alloy(made by giant)? Can you even get an alloy saddle?

But the OP has already poo-pooed the notion that carbon is lighter than alloy....

Nope, read properly.
All I did was comment on how light Giant's alloy frames are.....seat posts, bars and saddles from other manufacturers are a different kettle of fish and ripe for replacement with carbon.

Others are now pleasingly chipping in with 28lb Trances....are they lying too!?

Jonnyboi I started with a frame only, it's rare for me to buy a complete bike.

There's even a poster chiming in with a bog standard 31lb Trance..... Please explain if I replace a load of stuff with lighter carbon parts how it will somehow stay the same weight....that's anti science!

Got to love STW.

Please explain if I replace a load of stuff with lighter carbon parts how it will somehow stay the same weight....that's anti science!

you've built a bike from scratch and weighed it incorrectly on dodgy scales. When people have been sceptical based on your build specs you've then tried to compare it to stock builds by stating how you've removed various components or replaced them with carbon. And as I've pointed out many times you're ignoring the heavier bits you have added.

So, we get back to the original comments made by people which are 'nice bike but get it weighed properly'

Oh, and that seat is properly pointless, sell it to a roadie.

Carbon bars

If that's an On One carbon bar with what look like Hope grip doctors there's no weight saving compared to either set of my considerably cheaper Easton or Controltech alloy bars.
As for the saddle hope it's comfy!
Bike does look good though.

Again, I'm in Wales, will be on the road for FoD 1st March, BPW 9th March and Cwmcarrn Enduro mid March.... I'm an approachable guy and the bike is fairly unique, any forum members feel free to look me up, have a chat and weigh it themselves, i maintain 28lb....happy to be proved otherwise.

A plethora of pedalling pedants are calibrating their scales and coming for you OP.

I'm staggered that folk are still interested in this. 28lbs just isn't very impressive, especially when most of the bikes it will be compared against have droppers (and no silly saddle). Nothing has been modded on it to make it 'unique', it's just had some bits swapped like everyone else's. Ok there's a longer shock, but we don't even know what that does to the suspension other than giving it a bit more travel

I'm staggered that folk are still interested in this. 28lbs just isn't very impressive

Well my thoughts exactly....but then as someone earlier in the thread said; people are buying boutique frames but then ruining them by building them up with Lyriks, 30-35mm wide rims, heavy droppers, heavy 11 speed (or even 12 speed now) drivetrains, blingy but massive and heavy Hope quad piston brakes with braided hoses etc....and then quoting weights of 32lb.

It seems to have put a few noses out of joint that my mass produced Giant with its 'cheap' X-fusion suspension, a few carbon adornments and a sensible wheelset has come in at 28lb.

It's been fun guys but seriously life's too short, I hope other owners go for the 200x57 rear mod and stick a 160mm fork on the front, it transforms it from trail bike to something much more capable.... I'm now eagerly awaiting delivery of the YT Tues I ordered yesterday!

(I'll be sure to weigh it!)

people are buying boutique frames but then ruining them by building them up with Lyriks, 30-35mm wide rims, heavy droppers, heavy 11 speed (or even 12 speed now) drivetrains, blingy but massive and heavy Hope quad piston brakes with braided hoses etc....and then quoting weights of 32lb.

See, I'm with you until you start spouting shite like this. 28lbs is a fine weight for your bike. Some of the parts seem too much of a compromise to me, but, if it works for you, fine. No need to keep poking away at that chip you seem to have on your shoulder about people with more expensive bikes.

With the longer stroke shock how close does the swingarm get to the seat tube? In particular the curved verticle brace between the chain and seat stays.

Tomaso, with the air out of the shock and the bike compressed there's around 5mm clearance....in reality on the trail, allowing for flex of seat tube, flex of rear triangle then I reckon we'd be talking mere milimetres.....i haven't noticed any marks yet.

Warpcow...chip on my shoulder? nope.
Free and easy with my money, have a very trick diesel Golf that I love spending on, I change my motorbikes every few years and my shed now stands me at 4 bikes (one HT, one FS trail (as seen in this thread), a road bike and soon to be a DH bike....tight I am not.

Antagonistic?.....you may have a point though!

Any other Trance owner with internally routed dropper: how can I stop the incessant cable rattle? (OK un-internalise the cable huh?). Went single ring as sold the virtues of less chain rattle.... But the internal cable drives me skatty.

Maybe not - but I don't see the "nose out of joint thing" from others.
What I do see is people basically not believing you (maybe because you initially claimed the bike was 26lbs?) and then being sceptical about other things you posted.
Saying switching to plastic pedals (which I run and am well happy with BTW) would "save lbs" didn't really help your credibility any.

But hey, this is coming from someone who figures that at 68 kilos in weight, shaving grams of my bike probably wont have that much impact so I don't actually know how much it weighs!
What I *do* know is that I love riding it, it's far more capable than me and that I suspect that setting the suspension up properly would probably have a bigger impact that blingier parts!

Enjoy the bike.

Si

Well my thoughts exactly....but then as someone earlier in the thread said; people are buying boutique frames but then ruining them by building them up with Lyriks, 30-35mm wide rims, heavy droppers, heavy 11 speed (or even 12 speed now) drivetrains, blingy but massive and heavy Hope quad piston brakes with braided hoses etc....and then quoting weights of 32lb.

It seems to have put a few noses out of joint that my mass produced Giant with its 'cheap' X-fusion suspension, a few carbon adornments and a sensible wheelset has come in at 28lb.

You are talking drivel basically. Assumption of spec's (take your comments about 'massive and heavy hope quad piston brakes' for example) which are no heavier than XT/XTR/Guides.

A very unbelievable 26lbs becomes a somewhat dubious 28lbs for a run of the mill bike.

It's like some kind of strange inverse snobbery, then despite being corrected, the need to 'call people out' to come & view your bike. Odd.

Clearly your riding does the talking, maybe a R&R link would appease people...

FWIW, i've ridden a long shocked Trance with a 160mm fork & an angleset - still felt like a slightly out of date trail bike, just with more travel. Still, you obviously love it, so crack on 🙂

A very unbelievable 26lbs becomes a somewhat dubious 28lbs for a run of the mill bike.

Run of the mill?....because it's a Giant?

Their expertise with light alloys is probably the best in the business as much as people hate to admit that.
I already addressed the 26lb thing, luggage scales were out by 2lbs.....i then used scales with me holding the bike and then subtracting my weight difference for a more accurate weight, 28lb.

scc999, the comment on switching to plastic pedals to save pounds was a figure of speech....we're all adults, surely people don't need this spelled out!?

Oh, and the fact we're at 5 pages now demonstrates to me a wailing and gnashing of teeth that is satisfying to witness!

Ah a proper try job 😉 at least you came back and joined in...
In other news my bike got heavier, I had to put a tube in. I felt dirty about that.

Which 12 speed group sets are heavier than a 1x10 deore/SLX combo set up?

this thread inspired me to weigh my new Anthem 1 last night, totally standard apart from ISM saddle, so XT 1x11, Giant Dropper, carbon rims, tubeless Nobby Nics. it is 27 lbs on my bathroom digital scales....

Pretty typical STW willy waving drivel thread we've come to know [s]and love[/s].

^^^ I guess my point was that an Anthem should weigh a chunk less than a Trance.....

Run of the mill?....because it's a Giant?

Their expertise with light alloys is probably the best in the business as much as people hate to admit that.

Who's hated to admit it? Doesn't seem to be anyone suggesting their alloy frames arn't good & very light for what they are? Giant arn't the largest bike manufacturer in the world for no reason. They also happen to make very good carbon frames too.

It just seems to be you pushing a point repeatedly.

i then used scales with me holding the bike and then subtracting my weight difference for a more accurate weight, 28lb.

This method is even less accurate IME.

Just sayin'.

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...Shirley

How do you get an Anthem on your bathroom scales?
You just get an Anthem on your bathroom scales!

XT 1x11,

I guess my point was that an Anthem should weigh a chunk less than a Trance.....

Who's hated to admit it? Doesn't seem to be anyone suggesting their alloy frames arn't good & very light for what they are?

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paulneenan76 - Member
How do you get an Anthem on your bathroom scales?
You just get an Anthem on your bathroom scales!

Run of the mill because it's run of the mill.

Nothing outstanding on it at all, and i think thats part of the reason you were called out so quickly on the weight claims.

I love this thread.

28lbs seems a pretty standard weight for that type of bike without a dropper, which would likely add another lb or lb and a half to the weight.

I spent a fortune pissing in the wind trying to make my new Orange five lighter. Its 28lbs (and bit) with a Dropper. But that's Carbon bars, 1550g wheelset, carbon cranks etc, 1x11, ti railed saddle. Its fitted with some proper tyres and 36's. Its cost me allot of money to get it where I want it, in hindsight a bit of a waste

Run of the mill because it's run of the mill.

And that my friend is the point, just what can be done with a run of the mill mass produced Taiwanese frame.
The indignancy on here kind of bears that out.

The indignancy on here kind of bears that out.

And that my friend is the point, just what can be done with a run of the mill mass produced Taiwanese frame.
The indignancy on here kind of bears that out.

What, a mediocre build, at a mediocre weight?

Aspirational stuff.