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And that my friend is the point, just what can be done with a run of the mill mass produced Taiwanese frame.
The indignancy on here kind of bears that out.
Often a person's behaviour in a situation is more a reflection of themselves than the situation they're in. For some reason you're both obsessed with bike weight and also defensive about having a common frame which isn't as long travel as you'd like. I'll leave it to you to work out why that is.
In my case, I choose a bike that has the geometry and suspension behaviour I want, allied to the frame stiffness and parts compatibility. It weighs what it weighs - it isn't the lightest frame because it has swappable dropouts and adjustable geometry plus it's stiff for a 140mm bike, all of which adds mass.
The parts on it are chosen for performance and durability. Nothing is very light, nothing is very heavy. They weigh what they weigh.
The end result has been a 31lbs bike which I've had a huge amount of fun on for three years so far and which I've been able to adapt as my whims take me (it's now 10mm less front travel, 7mm lower BB, 1.5 deg slacker and 10mm shorter of chainstay than when I first built it up).
I have a matching hardtail which is 4lbs lighter. It's equally awesome though I've only had it a year and only really got the setup perfect recently.
Weight is so much less important with amateur MTBing, especially anything gravity assisted, than everyone thinks. And so boring to argue about.
If we could measure power easily, or pedalling efficiency, or rolling efficiency, then we might talk about something more worthwhile. But sadly the scales of dullness dominate...
dropper is in the house, I don't use it much...your point caller?
What, a mediocre build, at a mediocre weight?
Yep, this forum is littered with 4k+ bikes that the forum collectively fawn over....i wanted to show what can be done with around 2k (probably less) and still have the travel, the light weight etc of many more expensive bikes but for more realistic money, I think that's what upset people.
Would we be having this conversation if the bike was a Yeti, Cotic, Intense, Santa Cruz etc or any of the other forum favourites!?.....or would it be comments like 'cool bike'....'well done for getting under 30lbs' etc
None so fickle or snob like as the STW crowd.
I'll leave it to you to work out why that is.
I'll save you the trouble, test rode the Reign, didn't like it....went for the Trance frameset instead.
Yep, this forum is littered with 4k+ bikes that the forum collectively fawn over....i wanted to show what can be done with around 2k (probably less) and still have the travel, the light weight etc of many more expensive bikes but for more realistic money, I think that's what upset people.
Not everyone has a weight obsession, personally scrapping the warranty on a frame and taking it to clearance limits isn't my bag. Were you trying to upset people? Maybe upset was just not as impressed as you had hoped. Having just gone from a 28lb SC to a 33lb SC they both ride great I know which will be better for plummeting down steep stuff too.
How does the bike ride? you faster on it for all the mods? Feel more in control? More confidence? How much more are you enjoying the rides?
How does the bike ride? you faster on it for all the mods? Feel more in control? More confidence? How much more are you enjoying the rides?
It's a far better bike than when I initially built it up with stock 140mm rear end and 150mm forks.
and for the weight weenie diet?
Nice enough build, nice enough weight. I'd add a dropper and ride it.
Funny how it's become cool to not worry about weight now that everyone has gone enduro.
I guesstimate your bike to weigh 42lbs.
Let me know when I win the pot of sweets.
Funny how it's become cool to not worry about weight now that everyone has gone enduro.
If your building a bike to work with gravity there are bigger things to worry about.
I had a simple sheet with every component listed, the price and the weight. Simple question when changing what was I gaining by spending more? Longevity, significant weight or nothing?
My XC bike can with a sub deore cassette, what I expanded it I got rid of it as it was stupidly heavy compared to a sensibly priced 10sp Xt/X9 ones.
and for the weight weenie diet?
What about it?
how did it ride differently after that? Whats your verdict about how that has improved the quality of the ride/speed/enjoyment?
The thread was a handy helper for Trance owners
I think the problem is that OP was expecting this thread to be a bit of adulation at his awesome lightweight build. Problem is that apart from the rear travel mod (which we don't seem to be getting any detailed answers on how that rides) it's a 'meh' build that has been done way better countless number of times.
Trance, with a few mods to show what can be done.
I agree it does show how an inexperienced bike builder can ruin a perfectly good bike 😀
Just kidding wit ya, nothing better than building a custom bike that works for you. Enjoy.
Nice bike.
The blue trance advanced on page 3 looks really nice as well!!
So how does the final geometry stack up against a Reign?
Asking for a friend...
how did it ride differently after that? Whats your verdict about how that has improved the quality of the ride/speed/enjoyment?
Bike rides smoother and with less pedal effort than my previous FS (Saracen Ariel)....it's good but then the Maestro system is renowned for pedaling well.
Jonnboi, nope the bike was an exercise in budget but quality bike building, to that end I've succeeded. You may disagree.
I don't know what you want to know re. how the back end now rides!?...it's better than my single pivot Ariel, it still pedals efficiently but there's just 'more' in reserve out back.
Giant sold this bike in dealerships as the SX model with 160mm fork, the 200x57 extended travel rear seems to be a logical extension of that....no doubt it voids the warranty but with framesets like the Codeine going for bugger all money at the moment I'll take the risk and replace if necessary.
So how does the final geometry stack up against a Reign?Asking for a friend...
HA is slightly steeper, I believe a Reign is 65 degrees, Giant list the 160mm forked Trance as 66 degrees.
Trance is shorter, maybe not as low but for out and out uplift duties I have a 26 inch rear that can go on and drops the BB, takes the HA out a smidge more etc....combined with a a 1 degree Angleset I'll consider this bike complete and it'll be my everyday workhorse for the natural Welsh mountains around here.
If you removed that ironing board and put a proper saddle on it I might say I like your bike...that just makes me wince looking at it!
Anyway can I borrow your scales please? I only think it's fair we use the same scales to weigh and quote our bike weights..
What's wrong with 4 pot brakes?
I have saints on my 5 as I wanted extra stopping power as I'm 100kg kitted up.
XT just didn't stop me as quick as I wanted.. So I've added 60 grams.
In terms of comparison to a Reign...
With the slightly bigger fork I'd guess that the head angle is still not as slack but the seat angle is slacker.
The Trance has shorter reach and longer chain stays than the Reign.
The Trance is quite a bit shorter in wheelbase.
OP is 95kgs he thinks his bike is about 13kg, some others think it's more like 14.5kgs, that a massive kilo and half difference, or about 4% in total (rider and bike combined, if my mental maths is about right)
s'not worth worrying about. (still a nice looking bike though)
These threads always leave me feeling like I've just had an argument with someone, and I've not even posted in it.
Everyone seems to have generous scales which under-weight things, except for mine, I got some of those Feedback Sports Alpine scales, all my bikes are 32lbs. Rubbish.
What's wrong with 4 pot brakes?
I have saints on my 5 as I wanted extra stopping power as I'm 100kg kitted up.
XT just didn't stop me as quick as I wanted.. So I've added 60 grams.
I found my Saints were no better than Deore and certainly not as good as the XTs currently on the bike.
Anyway, this has rambled on for 6 pages now, let's change the subject and talk about how awesome my YT Tues is going to be when it arrives!?
We could have a guess the weight of my bike thread. Post a photo and any modifications then see who's the nearest.
Only ever had one bike weighed and that was by the bike shop just before I bought it in 2012.
Anyway, this has rambled on for 6 pages now, let's change the subject and talk about how [s]awesome[/s] heavy my YT Tues is going to be when it arrives!?
Who's winning ? 😆
nickc - MemberOP is 95kgs he thinks his bike is about 13kg, some others think it's more like 14.5kgs, that a massive kilo and half difference, or about 4% in total (rider and bike combined, if my mental maths is about right)
If you care about weight then it is a big deal- not because it necessarily makes a difference, but just because you care about weight. If you don't care about weight then you probably didn't bother to weigh it in the first place 😆
Hey if that geometry works for you, great. Not all people were created equal. I have a short torso and long legs so all this crazy long reach that's in fashion doesn't really work that well for me.
I've got 3 legs...
How accurate do bathroom scales claim to be anyway? When weighing yourself + a bike you'd have to give them a bit of leeway.
If they were accurate to within 2% for example (which sounds fairly generous?) your bike would weight between 23lbs and 33lbs.
TUES look nice, still probably sub 30lbs!
Anyway, this has rambled on for 6 pages now, let's change the subject and talk about how awesome my YT Tues is going to be when it arrives!?
Are you going to bodge a longer rear shock on this one? 😀
Paul B - MemberHey if that geometry works for you, great. Not all people were created equal. I have a short torso and long legs so all this crazy long reach that's in fashion doesn't really work that well for me.
As the OP has just ordered a large DH bike, he probably doesn't want reminding that he's not into long bikes
Question is did he order the carbon or Ali version YT Tues?
It would make sense the carbon version as this thread has made it clear that only giant can produce ridiculously light Ali frames.
CF Pro Race small 34.9lb
Tues AL small 38.4lb
(without pedals)
Tues AL, throw some plastic pedals on it, get rid of the dropper, swap the saddle out for a carbon ass killer and swap the suspension out for xfusion and it should be 26lb. Sorry I mean 28lb
I had a similar issue when I lightened my toaster. No-one would believe me. But trust me, I took it to the local weighbridge in my car then weighed the total before and after with awesome results. But when I posted on here people ridiculed me, they questioned my weighing technique and some even asked if it mattered that my toaster was lighter than before.
I though people would be impressed that I'd managed to transform a humble Morphy Richards rather than a boutique Dualit or Bosch. But instead they just seethed with jealousy and hate. Losers.
I don't care, I'm going to buy a washing machine now.
I want to contribute, but I can't follow that post lol
Very good....c@nts.
😆
To me this thread shows the slightly less friendly side of stw that appears every so often.
Sure the OP did inadvertently make a post that was always going to lead into one of those "typically stw" type threads. Heck, I've fallen into that trap in the past too! 😀
Only 2 things I would say to the op.
Firstly, and again, nice ride mate. I bet you are rightly chuffed with the build!
Secondly, when a thread goes like this, just let it be and go out riding and forget about it. 🙂
Un-winnable and totally subjective.
I get a slightly heavy heart when this kind of thread develops as it must deter some people from joining the forum let alone contributing to it...
Just my take and no offence intended or implied to anytime posting in this thread, genuinely!
Bike weights stopped mattering when wheels got bigger and/or fatter ..... and heavier 😉
Deviant
No hate from me here I'm just taking the p#ss
It just makes the day more enjoyable
🙂
I agree, I go online for a laugh....and sometimes information.
If it's not fun turn it off, which is why I don't believe in 'cyber bullying'.....face to face bullying is abhorrent, online stuff is tame and the lily livered need to grow up, not attach so much importance to forums and turn the computer off if necessary.
Its important to stand up for truth in a post truth age, but I'll post up one of my self builds later for judgement, it's not even boutique..and it has a triple.
It's bound to be sh#t then
😀
Not heavy though. Only boutique bikes are heavy.
Toast... anyone?
This is a great thread though admit it....tomorrow I'll post pics of my 170mm forked HT just to wind people up....then the YT when it arrives.
Still mystified as to why the op has received such a beatdown! 28lbs for a trail bike with no dropper is distinctly average, its not as if hes bragging! As ive already said mine weighs 28 with pedals and all i did was remove the double and go tubeless. Not sure where people are getting 31lbs as stock from.
I for one am interested in sticking a 160 fork on my trance after seeing this. Op, your head angle claim of 65 seems ambitious as it is 67 with a 140 fork. You got any bushes or slackset in there, or does the extended shock slacken it out?
Also, is the frame rated for a 160 fork?
Does filling tyres with Helium really help ?