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I don't know to be honest, but even Froomy said he didn't notice Aru's attack until much later in the stage when he was told about it. Froomy also said he's no problem with it, no problem with Aru either. It's just media spin frothed into a whirlwind IMO.
See, I don't have any problems with attacks, none at all.
"I say dear chaps, might I just go for a shit, will you wait for me please"
"No"
Too much control, Porte seems to have gotten involved too.. who handed him the supervisors job ? The peloton is made out of respect for riders, but you have to earn that like any other job on the planet. How many times has a young guy improved or made a deal that you missed out on.. plenty.
If Froomy had a mechanical with his front mech, then ditch the Di2 crap and go back to cables. Plenty of instances of batteries draining and ill fitting connections.
Let em' rock on I say, whose to say it's wrong to attack when there's opportunity?
Yeah but... a rider doesn't want it done to them so doesn't do it to others. And most pro's who express an opinion feel that it's a shitty way to beat your opponent. So it's not going to change.
I know, but Uran had a mechanical.. should he have been in for a stage win then would any of the others have waited?
Oh, wait.. they did wait.. for a bit anyway. No change of bike, just a mechanic bending the mech out. Did Froomy change a bike ?
No.
So I call a missshift, a button press too many, a sticky mech due to connection issues and that's about it. It's noted Froomy didn't expand on what the issue was, how long he'd been suffering with it nor when it magically fixed itself.
Uran on the other hand rode down a mountain with a knackered rear mech, obvious to everyone, struggled on the flat at the bottom, got a mechanic to just bend it out and he rode like a professional flat chat doing his turns to the end.
More of that attitude and aptitude please.
More of that attitude and aptitude please.
Crash, broken bike, gets up, no spare, starts running, up the Ventoux. That the right attitude and aptitude?
More of that attitude and aptitude please.
Crashes, swaps bike with team mate, doesn't complain, still finishes the stage in the front group. That kind of attitude?
nicko74 - Member
And Boardman was pretty vocal in the highlights in questioning the tactics of the other riders at the front, in doing the work for Froome just because he asked them, rather than just sitting behind him letting him do the work.
Obviously Sky's dominance has somewhat changed the tactics of the Tour, but it does sometimes seem like there's less nous (cynicism?) on display than in previous tours, in terms of timing attacks to stretch Sky, Fulgsang and Aru working together etc.
To be honest I was pretty vocal at Boardman's surprising lack of awareness of what goes on at the pointy GC end of a stage race!
Uran for example gained 10 seconds on Bardet by winning the stage and is now 4 seconds off a podium. He's climbing well and in the past has had a good TT so a podium in Paris isn't an impossibility by any means. Froome's solution worked for him.
Aru maintained his gap to Bardet and increased his gap to Quintana, Martin and Yates. Froome's solution worked for him.
Warren Barguil got a second chance after being dropped by Bardet and came within a fraction of taking a stage win so working with Froome almost worked.
Fuglsang ended up putting time into Quintana, Martin and Yates and leapfrogging, you guessed it, Quintana, Martin and Yates. So worked for him as well. And, as a consequence helped Aru by having a team mate much closer in terms of GT position if not timing from those ahead of him.
The only other solution would have been to let Froome pull for himself and jump him when he starts to tire but this would have meant that either Bardet would improve on his GC at their expense or they'd catch Bardet and drop Froome which, on a short flat run in seems very unlikely.
In short, they were never going to let a beatable GC threat go up the road in order to have a very slim chance of taking time on the yellow jersey and Boardman should know that really.
Oh, and making Froome work wasn't going to tire him for the next mountain stages given it was a flat run-in followed by a rest day and a couple of sprinter's stages.
Fuglsang ended up putting time into Quintana, Martin and Yates and leapfrogging, you guessed it, Quintana, Martin and Yates. So worked for him as well. And, as a consequence helped Aru by having a team mate much closer in terms of GT position if not timing from those ahead of him.
that would have been the case if he'd let froome do all the work or not.
Aru maintained his gap to Bardet and increased his gap to Quintana, Martin and Yates. Froome's solution worked for him.
Aru had one way to be in yellow and he didn't take it. helping froome was not it.
Or the Quintana group, working together might have closed a bit on the Froome led lead group so Fuglsang and Aru ended up behind Bardet, no closer to Froome and without the lead on Quintana et al that they did end up with.
Basically Aru could only win by attacking a yellow jersey mechanical? Classy.
lunge - Member
More of that attitude and aptitude please.Crashes, swaps bike with team mate, doesn't complain, still finishes the stage in the front group. That kind of attitude?
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No mention of a swapped bike, sauce?
How do you like that sauce https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/other-sport/cycling/chris-froome-retains-tour-de-11652799.amp
Fuglsang and Aru ended up behind Bardet, no closer to Froome and without the lead on Quintana et al that they did end up with.
Why ? Froome can't let Bardet up the road anymore than Aru so has to ride, if he doesn't and Bardet is in yellow Aru and Fuglsang (and team Astana) get a free ride as Sky haul him back. Anyway Riding to defend second place when only 14 seconds from yellow is waving the white flag and conceding defeat.
That's an article from 2016.
Anything moar recent ?
ahaha has his attitude changed in the 12 months since?
Klunk - MemberWhy? Froome can't let Bardet up the road anymore than Aru so has to ride, if he doesn't and Bardet is in yellow Aru and Fuglsang (and team Astana) get a free ride as Sky haul him back. Anyway Riding to defend second place when only 14 seconds from yellow is waving the white flag and conceding defeat.
Yes he can, he had more time to play with, has a much better team and was clearly stronger than Aru and Bardet on the final climb so probably knows he's got the measure of them in the remaining mountain stages.
Whilst people continue to believe that other riders should race to beat Froome rather than race to get the best result possible they'll continue to be disappointed in how the races play out.
noted Froomy didn't expand on what the issue was, how long he'd been suffering with it nor when it magically fixed itself.
You mean: The bike he changed to didn't have the same issue? You really are spouting garbage.
As for:
but even Froomy said he didn't notice Aru's attack until much later in the stage when he was told about it.
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Look, find some sauce for your own garbage or shut up. There, happy now. All you are doing is posting a pic of the incident.. I mean we all saw that (maybe you didn't) we saw endless repeats on the live feed on Eurosport, endless commentary from Kelly and Kirby et all, then all the Brian Smith whining post race interviews.
Find the sauce for Froomy swapping bikes.
Read the Cycling News interview with a Froomy that quotes "I didn't know Aru attacked until told"
Please do your own research.
Find some facts.
As for :
legend - Member
ahaha has his attitude changed in the 12 months since?
Are you saying bike swaps only happen in 2016?
I think you'll find bike swaps happen in 2017 and in this edition of the TdF.
Think this is done now, don't you.
whose to say it's wrong to attack when there's opportunity?
The majority of the other GC riders clearly.
“I didn’t see his attack … I was too busy trying to change my bike. It sounded like he sat up, but that group then sat up but I think that was more to due with Richie from what I understand”
– Chris Froome
Trying, dies that mean he did or did not?
Kelly says bike change
Cool, finally some evidence.
I couldn't find anything.
Read the Cycling News interview with a Froomy that quotes "I didn't know Aru attacked until told"
I'm fully aware of what Froome said.
It hasn't quite occurred to you that Froome is being diplomatic?
He quite clearly sees Aru go: It was perfectly obvious that he had changed his bike: If you are prepared to actually look at the incident you may notice these things. Somehow you managed to watch the same the same TV coverage as everyone else but these details passed you by.
Are you saying bike swaps only happen in 2016?
I think you'll find bike swaps happen in 2017 and in this edition of the TdF.
Think this is done now, don't you.
Having you been drinking/smoking? You asked for the source of him taking a team mates bike and cracking on. You have the source, it never had anything to do with this year
I'd introduce some form of time penalties per Grand Tour. You're allowed a certain number of bike changes, after that it's a 20" penalty each time. Same with wheels but maybe a 5" penalty for that. Obvious caveats so if the puncture was caused by sabotage like tacks on the road then it's exempt.
Might make the riders and teams think a bit more about durability, reliability etc instead of just carrying fleets of spare bikes. Might even make the races safer if riders are thinking about potential time penalties instead of just grabbing bike #3 and riding on while knowing that race etiquette dictates everyone waits.
Crash out and each other team member gets a 20" penalty.
It hasn't quite occurred to you that Froome is being diplomatic?
Or even that it's his way of not getting drawn into a pointless public spat when he wants to get back for his din-dins.