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Having just had a run in with the owner of one who wasn't happy at the way I told him and his out of control hound to **** right off.I would be interested to know where I would stand legally if I had launched it with my right foot.
If the dog was a clear and present danger to your safety then I suppose you could justify kicking it to defend yourself. Otherwise it's animal abuse and you'd be liable to a good kicking yourself such as I administered to the last person I saw beating a defenceless animal.
I'd be kicking the dopey owner before I'd be kicking the dog, unless it was having a nip at me.
Ok the dog was well in front of it's owner and then proceeded to run in front of my bike I braked pretty hard to avoid it as it cut from one side of the path to the next before heading off into the heather and bounding about and I went down , owner caught up eventually and chided me for not riding correctly for the conditions.
As I'm reading now law states dog must be under control or it's an offence.
Two points:
1) Chill the f*** out. You're riding a bike for fun FFS, live and let live.
2) What if it had been a family with a kid? Would you kick a kid for being slow/riding the wrong way?
Kick my dog and expect a Jean Claude roundhouse from me!
My dog has got in the way of a few people on the trails but they waited a few seconds for me to recall him and get him out of their way before they happily carried on.
Similiary when catching slower riders me and the dog have been held up or had to suddenly brake for someone slower than us we encountered on the trail, I didn’t feel the need to kick them and tell them to **** off!
In conclusion calm down and grow up!
Point 1 above.
Good luck reasoning with him! I have never met a pet dog owner whose brain is firing on all thrusters.
Just slow right down whenever you seen one, just not worth the aggro otherwise or the potential harm to the dog if you hit it. The only acceptable time to hit/kick one is if it’s actually attacking.
Que the tough guys I’d beat up the owner then bum his dog.
Sounds like no harm was done the guy was having a nice day out with his dog, it ran in front of you but nothing happened. You got angry.
@thisisnotaspoon did either of those things happen in the text I wrote above? No , end of.
Isn't this just a dog? Where do "so-called trail dogs" come into it?
Anyway, I slow down when dogs are around, because dogs behave like dogs. If they're actually attacking you, fair enough, do what you need to do, but dogs run around.
And even if the owner was committing some sort of offence that doesn't mean you get to kick his dog.
I'd move on.
Doesn't sound like the dog was out of control
I reckon only four pages, as the new forum is a bit dicky, and a fair bit of Internet hardman activity.
Dog came from behind i was going downhill, first I saw it was when it ran past.
Two further points:
1) You can use your bike as a means of transport, especially if you are unfortunate enough to not be able to afford a car,
2) What if an out of control dog knocked your child off their bike and bit them? Would you tell your child to chill the f*** out?
Dog came from behind i was going downhill, first I saw it was when it ran past.
How slow are you!?
It could be a baby robins face next time.......
On the basis of telling a dog to **** off and using the phrase "end of" as an argumentative gambit, I'm in danger of forming a certain opinion here 🙂
@psling If my dog knocked a child off it’s bike and bit them I would expect it to be kicked or whatever needs doing to protect the child. An aggressive dog like that shouldn’t be off it’s lead and not wearing a muzzle.
This dog in question stole his Strava Kom downhill and he was annoyed about it!
If a loose dog ran in front of me and caused me to come off I'd be pretty ****ing angry whatever the circumstances. A trail dog should not be getting under the wheel of other riders otherwise I'd class that as out of control and it shouldn't be on the trails.
Out of interest Op was this on a trail centre?
Yeah, I wonder if it woofed "on yer right" as it bounded by!
This never happened did it.
Strava makes people so angry 😉
seriously though just chill out, It’s a hobby that should be enjoyable and relaxing. Don’t let other people’s actions ruin your enjoyment and don’t be ‘that person’ who think it’s appropriate to hurt an animal. It’s not the dogs fault it’s the owners.
You were riding a bike in a public space and a dog with no concept of your supposed 'trail laws' decides to be in the same place as you.... So yeh, kick it, why not.
I often kick stuff that has the audacity to be where I want to be.... Kids, baby animals, nuns, the elderly.... All selfish gits the lot of them.....
Out of interest Op was this on a trail centre
No top end of wharncliffe wood along the trail that runs through the heather.
Were you terrierfied when it happened?
No need to kick a dog unless it’s actually attacking.
it’s a shame when a dog isn’t under proper control, my experience* is that they love to be trained and they absolutely live to make their owner happy.
telling an animal to **** off may help other people to form an opinion about you though, perhaps it would be better to interact with the owner instead?
*i come from a farm, my experience is mostly limited to collies and springer spaniels, both well known as loving to be trained.
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Psling ISWYDT
This dog in question stole his Strava Kom downhill and he was annoyed about it!
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Oh FFS! Quote is getting even more annoying.
"telling an animal to * off may help other people to form an opinion about you though, perhaps it would be better to interact with the owner instead?"
Well, to be fair to the OP, he did. He actually told the owner to * off, not the dog.
The prominence afforded to dogs in our society over the last decade or so really depresses me.
Wish I could keep up with my dog downhill....... or uphill............on the flat.
Were you racing or late for a meeting?
If you are "really" interested I'd have a chat with a solicitor.
I don't think you are.
Last bloke I saw hitting a dog got me asking his son if he did it to him too?
That went down well.
Chill out a bit
Kill them
Kill them all.
In the spirit of the thread, I'd kill you all with extra hot napalm, so there.
On a related note, does anyone know of a good quality, small water pistol? All I can find are really cheap plastic jobs which might fail at just the wrong moment.
I'm thinking of mounting a chilli oil filled one in a holster on my bars so that I can reply to dogs when they are 'saying hello' or 'just being friendly'.
I seem to be having a run of them recently, does my nut in.
last time i rode Cafall there were loads of sheep on the trail. I got over it.
A sharp kick on the nose is usually enough to send them on their way.
The owners are usually too far behind/infront to witness it so you're generally in the clear.
Brave of you to confront the owner, as
so would be worried things would quickly escalate as dog owners tend to be hot headed types who act before thinking.I have never met a pet dog owner whose brain is firing on all thrusters
Kicking dogs, swearing at the owners but it’s dog owners who are hot headed that act before thinking. 🤔
Yeah, trail dogs can be annoying if they interrupt you when at speed. But it's not a really big deal is it? I generally think they're great.
However, there's appropriate places - some ****t brought his collies on the Real Ale Wobble one year - 500 riders going down steep muddy welsh stuff and these two poor dogs were in the middle of a group of people, people falling off left right and centre, nearly ran over them twice.
Dog owners do seem to lower their IQ by a good ten points when taking their dogs out. And if their pet makes someone have to do something that they wouldn't have had to do it's the pet owner's responsibility to apologise - not berate the other person.
Responsible pet ownership necessarily means that you assume responsibility for what your pet does to other people. If your dog jumps out in front of a rider, making them break sharply or scaring them then the correct action to take is to profusely apologise and get control of your animal. Period.
Having said all that. I love seeing dogs out on the trails. They lift spirits because they're clearly having so much fun. 🙂
Yay, we’ve reached the point where we can simply start replacing “dog owners” with “cyclists” and make these opinions look as dumb as they are.
If it was a known and marked red or above trail centre route then I'd be annoyed that a dog was bounding around. Blue and green trail then fair enough as its a family trail with walkers allowed etc, so to be expected.
It's all well and good talking about riding relaxed and just chilling etc, but surely some of the purpose of the marked red+ routes is that you can go like a nutter if you choose and shouldn't expect a dog to be on the trails.
Of course, ride within your ability and be prepared to stop at short notice, but to have to do so because a dog (or a family walking the wrong way up the trail... doh) should not be an expected occurence.
Personally I love most animals and dogs in particular. Do see quite a few around Cannock but they are all well controlled and much faster than me so getting in their way is more of an issue for me
On public bridleways and open land, everybody should respect one another and there are no grounds for complaints if a dog slows you down. It's entitled to be there just as much as you are.
You won't get much sense on here. My view is owners that put their dogs at risk by taking them round busy trail centres are selfish idiots. I nearly crashed on one of the Forest of Dean red runs on a switch back descent when a hound came running straight down the hill straight across the trail. I've also nearly hit a dog at Swinley on one of the red descents. Both on busy Saturday's in summer.
there will be arguement sabout what if small children, wheelchair users or baby robins were on the trail and you obviously we're riding too fast. If you can't have a decent crack at riding fast on a trail centre descent were it really really should be clear. we may as well all ride every where at 5mph
If it’s a trail centre then they shouldn’t be there. If it’s not a specific bike trail then it’s a simple learn to keep your dog under control
It's become a real problem around here - local council spent £1000+ putting up these after over numerous complaints about dogs.
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